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Coffeebean
Don't you know how to set a vcr to record? Probably not, too complicated Razz (just kidding) and GET BUSY.

PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:30 am
surfzoned
hmm
reminds me of digram ciphers.

when "Tinman" is over I'll give it a crack =)
commercial break. VCR? They still make those?

PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:27 am
Coffeebean
Where did you see "lzzthmat" ?

o, i see now. when you hold mouse over hlbgvloi


best guess for tavjvjxx by simple cryptogram = wireress
possibly just an advertisement?

PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:25 am
Sylvia
It looks something like this
Quote:
Trackbacks & Pingbacks »»


hlbgvloi
Trackback by hlbgvloi | 2007/12/04 at 15:02:56

hlbgvloi…

hlbgvloi…

PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:50 am
Coffeebean
I only see a message from frhogmcr. The other one has a word (name?) under 'trackback', but no message with it.

when you hold your mouse over the RXVJACDM link, it shows:
PZDXDEOF.com

PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:35 am
Sylvia
odd comments at whitechapel
http://whitechapelfoundation.org/opencases/?p=3

Quote:
frhogmcr zotusujc tencnyjb tavjvjxx ovvcyadq megldluu zocvzzbd qcecjfji rxvjacdm pzdxdeof hlbgvloi lzzthmat hlbgvloi hlbgvloi


edited to add the group of letters that Coffeebean found below.

PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:57 pm
surfzoned
In reply to casablanca
Keep in mind that our characters are NOT codebreakers.
They have stated as much. So, it's best to assume that while they might be able to say that the code writer didn't write an algorithm in which to encode with he was still sharp enough to create a VERY convoluted code.

If there are coincidences then they are worth chasing.

Attempting to convert the 3 MSG's using different forms associated with the number 23 might be worth a shot...

I personally have already tried many less logical leads Very Happy

PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:24 pm
casablanca
More 23s
Sylvia wrote:

I still don't know about commanded vs. was. It's just that by using was instead of commanded then MSG ^ 2 would have the exact same number of letters (23) as MSG /\ 3. But that could be going down the wrong path entirely. I just did't have anything else to go on and couldn't think of anything else to try.


Just left a comment at Whitechapel about another 23. I checked Number Sign on wikipedia and noticed:

Quote:
The sign's Unicode codepoint is U+0023 and its ASCII value is 0x23 (hexadecimal).


From Ethan's reply to Sylvia on the Supplemental page it looks like they are saying that there is not a 23 connection, but if that's the case then there are a bunch of coincidences.

Sorry if someone else already posted this. I'm trying the catch up, but there is a lot to cover (spent the entire day reading the Autumn Country site, and now I'm not sure what's real versus what is the story. Shocked )

PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:02 pm
Sylvia
very good points.

the paraphrased version by ethan can be found here http://whitechapelfoundation.org/opencases/?page_id=8

why it was removed? I don't know. Also makes one wonder, why the name piechart? And on the new message we have the circle.

in numerical order we have this: O 1, ^ 2, /\ 3

in the order we received them: ^ 2, /\ 3, O 1

I still don't know about commanded vs. was. It's just that by using was instead of commanded then MSG ^ 2 would have the exact same number of letters (23) as MSG /\ 3. But that could be going down the wrong path entirely. I just did't have anything else to go on and couldn't think of anything else to try.

PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:11 pm
badaim68
Piechart clue?
mortality wrote:
The supplemental pages. A minor meta-conflict. Worlds are exploding due to paradox... Very Happy (Lesson number one is to click almost every link on an in-game site. Never know what you'll find.)

Link to the supplemental pages is on the right hand side of the Open Cases website under the heading "pages."

Piechart(?) left a comment for Ethan at the Open Cases site:
Quote:
#
piechart
Comment by piechart | 2007/11/29 at 17:14:13

Ethan, not sure if this is the best way to contact you. I was going back over the page#, line#, word# key of letter 1 and noticed that the first word on line 9 of the Janissary Tree is not a whole word it is the second half of a hyphenated word from the end of the line above it. If they are counting only whole words then word number 12 would be commanded. Just a thought not sure yet how that could change the possible sentences that could be made from the words. piechart


That would make our sentence "three king only commanded the wise". Makes somewhat more sense with the story of the Magi and Nebuchadnezzar, the Babylonian king.

"hinohi" and "enlehs" become the 2nd letter variants.


Now I know that this is real straw grasping, but looking back through the thread I noticed Mort quoting the Piechart comment. I can't find this comment on either the Whitechapel site or Ethan's blog...has it been removed? Piechart is not a UF username. He/she also pointed us to to the word being "commanded" rather than "was".......and used # to represent "number" for msg 1 Confused .....now I know that in theory was because it was the first message found, but does anyone else think it was an attempt to push us in the right direction.....no?....ok just me then Rolling Eyes

PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:17 pm
zizka
Re: JZ
surfzoned wrote:
I knew I liked Ziz for a reason.


well, shucks.

coffeebean wrote:
I was thinking that if we figure out the poem, maybe only capital X's will be used for the answer? Still lost.......


Actually, I think you may be right on the money. It looks like the solution provided by Pip used upper-case Xs to provide letters that were part of a scrambled message*. That's a lot simpler than anything wlse we've come up with. I guess the trouble with having a bunch of clever people working on solves is that you end up with a bunch of terribly inventive and terribly complicated possibilities Razz

Time to stare at that letter some more Wink


eta: *actually, upon rereading the page pip provided, there system was much, much more complicated than that, but the upper-case letters were still used to indicate which plaintext letters were part of the next stage of the puzzle. Maybe we should axe that link before anyone at djinn gets any ideas... Razz

PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:17 am
pipakin
This might help with that one and with our puzzle. Perhaps the # takes the place of a boldface x.

http://home.comcast.net/~bryant.katherine/Puzzles/it3answer.html <-- solution to that puzzle (i think).

PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:01 am
Coffeebean
a puzzle
Found this puzzle;
Shall We Play a Game?

This was a combi-IT, written with my roomate Saxifrage. Note that the only dictionary used in preparing this puzzle was Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, 10th edition.

Large number in line among 400 = xXxxx
Southern college's yard crew = xXXxx
The Odyssey and the Iliad are online movies? = Xxxxx

Forbid little woman a musical instrument = xxxXX


Paces out the area = XxxXx
Edge of second-rate skating area = xxxxX

Monarch in Afghanistan holds an Asian country = XXxXx


Tore top off shirt? What a cad = xxxXx

Doctor, sign for beverage = Xxxxx


Salute martially in nasal voice = XxxXX

Book has unknown cipher? = xXXXx

xxxxX, xxxxx, xxxxx, xxxxx, xXxxx = xxxxx

Which is a bit off-course.....but I thought if we figured out how to solve this, it might help solve the other. I found it here:
http://www.mit.edu/~tahnan/puzzles/IT-puzzles.html

It appears to be an old site, and clicking the link to the guy who made the puzzle is useless (takes me to an old dial up for sale company). The answers are not printed anywhere, nor any hints on how to solve it. Since each XxxXX word has a clue with it, I was thinking that if we figure out the poem, maybe only capital X's will be used for the answer? Still lost.......

PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:10 am
Sylvia
you both have very valid points. I'm going to give it a break and get some rest. If you guys don't have it solved by tomorrow, sometime, I will look at it again. Night all

PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 2:32 am
surfzoned
JZ
I knew I liked Ziz for a reason.
I was just speculating that
Quote:
X# = capital raised letter [T]
X = raised letter [t]
x = lower letter [a]
, = dropped letter [g]
X-x or x-x = coupled letters [ch, sh, th]


or something similar to that anyways.

I think ->
Quote:
The ____ was not a ____.

might possibly be our key or a clue at least.

PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 1:38 am
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