notice the paragraph that I put in italics and colored blue. This was what I thought all along. I always thought she was talking about the large image on the page the big one that's impossible to miss. the one that you all call 2:00.
Quote:
OC:0702 - Additional information re: event in St. Pete, Florida
Ethan Grant
show details 9:19 AM (5 hours ago)
Distribution: Registered members of the Whitechapel Foundation's Open
Cases community
The letter below was received at 23:43 on Sunday, December 16, 2007,
from Sandra [last name withheld], the woman from St. Petersburg, Florida
who witnessed an event that may be related to OC:0702. This letter is
in response to the initial contact letter from the Foundation which was
sent upon receiving Sandra's comment on the Open Cases web site.
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Mr. Grant,
Thanks for your response. For some reason I feel a little better
knowing that your organization didn't think my letter was crazy, and I
appreciate the other information you provided.
For the questions you had, here are my answers.
I have to admit that I have taken a different way home from work and my
mother's house since last Sunday night, but I walked over there to 61st
avenue yesterday morning and there is some sort of mark on the ground
where I saw the glowing metal. It is right in the middle of the road,
of 61st avenue, and it looks like an outline of the metal thing that I
saw. Kind of like the outline you would get if you spray painted
something and then moved it away, if you understand what I mean. The
outline is dark and sooty looking. I didn't touch it or anything, but I
scraped at it with my shoe and it didn't scrape off. That's the only
thing I saw over there. Everything else about the street and the yards
over there is very clean. The exact location is about 25 or 30 feet
from the center of the intersection of Pine and 61st, right in the
middle of 61st avenue.
I don't know of anything strange that has ever happened in this
neighborhood, before or since Sunday. We've had a couple break-ins and
such over the years, but that's normal for a town like this. As a
matter of fact, you don't really hear of anything strange happening
around here. You know, things like big foot or ghosts. But I have heard
of something called a skunk ape down in the everglades.
I thought it was funny that you asked what the thing looked like,
because I thought it was plain from what I said in my letter that the
piece of metal was bent exactly like the diagram thing on the page with
the symbols on your web page. I know that isn't exactly a hook, but I
didn't know how else to describe it, maybe a check mark. Two straight
parts, but bent, but not bent right in the middle. It was pretty thin.
From the outline thing I saw in the daytime it looks like it was maybe a
little thinner than a pencil. But it seemed thicker when I saw it on
Sunday night. And it was laying down flat in the street when I saw it.
I guess the only way I can say how it was pointed was that the longer
part of it was pointed towards the house on the south side of the street.
I have had some unsettling dreams since last Sunday, but nothing that I
would call a nightmare. Other than that I've been feeling okay all
things considering. And I've never had anything that I would call a
panic attack before. Neither has anyone in my family.
I hope those answers help with what you are looking into. To answer
your last question I think that I would rather not talk to anyone in
person. Maybe that sounds a little strange, but I don't know I'd just
rather not. If you have any other questions you can send me an E-mail,
I wouldn't mind that.
Sandra
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:41 pm
badaim68
Place of Power
I did think that perhaps the ritual witnessed was the second one and that the first one "at a place of power" could have taken place at Progress Energy Park, the ballpark that used to be known as Florida Power Park (and where the Devil Rays play!)..but it's more than three miles from the witness site.
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:26 pm
yellowcard
petunia wrote:
Hmm, I got 71mm to 43mm. Odd. I measured more than once, I think at different points, but it's probably worth a recheck all around. My triangle didn't come out at 30-60-90, though I was using the y-axis for the hypotenuse I think.
I had to be very picky about exactly where I measured because there were two lines available on each radius, probably due to the artist using a straightedge to get the red lines on the sheet. I don't have that sheet of paper anymore so I can't see what I did, but as I recall, the y-axis line could have been measured a little longer if done the other way I considered doing it.
(Warning: somewhat deep math-stuff ahead. Certain brains may 'splode while thinking too hard.)
I drew my triangle by dropping a line segment from the end of the 2:00 radius to the x-axis, parallel with the y-axis and thus perpendicular to the x-axis. I called my handdrawn line segment a, the x-axis line segment from the center point (point O) to the point it meets my segment point b, and the 2:00 radius segment c.
In a 30-60-90 triangle, the hypotenuse will be twice the length of the shortest side (2a=c), and mine worked out quite nicely. Again, I've destroyed my work, so I don't have the exact numbers on-hand.
WolfHawk wrote:
I am almost 100% sure the 5 to 3 rule is the golden ratio or golden mean. There is a LOT of mythology connected to it. It isn't just the math.
It is the basis for sacred geometry. it occurs repeatedly in nature, the Greeks considered it the perfect balance, the pentagram incorporates it, it is used extensively by artists, architects, musicians etc.
The Golden Ratio is [/drumroll] ... 1.6180339887, which is very close to 5:3.
Given Petunia's slightly higher ratio, I'd say the Golden Ratio is what the artist intended, unless he/she got very lucky. Without a doubt, though, the two lines are at a 60 degree angle and was very intentional.
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:21 am
surfzoned
odd request
After visiting 3 books stores and still not being able to find a copy of "The History of the Necronomicon" by H.P. Lovecraft I'm asking you guys and gals if you might have a copy lying around. I remember reading it years ago, 7 to be exact, and I think there are some descriptions of rituals involving paths, leagues, etc in it.
I think the poem we are searching for may be in that book or there might some insight in it that will shed light on what we're dealing with concerning Sandra.
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:54 am
casablanca
Star Jelly?
Since Ethan mentioned it twice - and I had no idea what he was talking about - I looked around for what Space Jelly might be. Realized pretty quickly that apparently Ethan is the only person that calls it Space Jelly instead of Star Jelly (assuming he's talking about the same thing ), although I found a link that referred to them as Space Blobs.
Whatever you call it, it sounds pretty gross. Didn't see anything obvious that could relate to the two cases, other than some wording that sounds kind of generically Lovecraftian (i.e. Rot of the Stars).
So Ethan's been checking on some sightings of jelly in Kentucky? Cute.
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 12:12 am
surfzoned
Sandman
Our PM has at least read and might possibly be a fan of both Neil Gaiman, who did the Sandman series and many other great works, and William Gibson, who created the cyberpunk genre.
They are also fans of most literature about fantasy, occult or alternate social views from the last few centuries, both European and International works. In general they are well read individuals making it hard to rule almost anything out of their field of play.
Has anyone checked the Blog title references against poems N. Gaiman might have written? That could be the obscure clue we are actually being given.
META- the current Blog post is clue one of a string of clues that will most likely follow revealing progressively more of just how to go about solving the puzzle. It's best if we can solve it quickly with as few clues as possible. However, our PMs are not cruel and so they will most likely provide further clues until it is solved. (this is assuming they follow the same unspoken rules they set for the last ARG they did.)
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 7:04 pm
casablanca
New from Ethan's journal
Most recent post from Ethan on his personal journal.
SPEC: I'd say that somewhere in Ethan's brainstorming there is a clue.
Quote:
Delirium…
Posted on December 15, 2007 by ethangrant
…just about covers it. Between the not-too-much sleep, the spooky rituals, the leviathan catfish, the Kentucky space jelly, the mysterious letters, and the 8, count them 8, shopping days until Christmas…well, things start to seem a little "unreal".
Since the "mysterious letters" hold a little more weight than most of the others (in my opinion, anyway), thought it might help my overloaded brain to make a couple notes on the internal conversation I had with myself the other day somewhere outside Ft. Oglethorpe.
I still think there is a clue in there somewhere. It may not be big and it may not be obvious (to a sane person, that is), but I can't help feeling that IF the intent is to get our attention and IF the purpose is to impart some freakin' sort of message, then the sender must want someone to know what that message is. So I went back to MSG1, which I think we were supposed to receive first, and I just started free-associating the things on that page that might mean something (since those X's don't mean much of anything, other than looking like a poem - but which one!).
The X's: big, little, capital, upper case, lower case, "x marks the spot", triple x, x-rated, porn, variable, unknown, algebra, Mr. X, X-files,
The Number Sign: numbers, pound, pound sign, hash, ascii something 23, telephones, sharp, tic-tac-toe, X's & O's
"The # was not a #.": The number was not a number? (nothing else fits. does the period matter?)
The . (period): period, dot, full stop, final, end, no more, that's final, no more discussion, period piece,
The 1: one, line, stroke, pipe, single, solitary, alone, won, 2 point, straight, 1 dimension, one and only, one way
The Circle: circle, round, circumference, loop, ring, enclosed, around, set, within, perfect, orbit, radius, diameter, circle back, circle the wagons
This made a lot more sense among the monuments. Oh well, I guess I'll just let it peculate. Oh, just remembered, for those poor souls who've asked because they know not…
Those last three dots are followed by an image of a box of Mayfield Brown Cow ice cream bars.
Also noticed that this one is titled "Delirium" and that the post from December 10th was titled "Morpheus". Is Ethan a Sandman fan or is this something useful?
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 2:15 pm
WolfHawk
petunia wrote:
I'm confused, WolfHawk, why a 5-mile ring? If we're dealing with a league, then the maximum distance from the first point would be about 3 miles. The ratio is 5:3, not the actual distance.
DOH. That's what I get for trying to think at work!
Fixed
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:58 pm
petunia
I'm confused, WolfHawk, why a 5-mile ring? If we're dealing with a league, then the maximum distance from the first point would be about 3 miles. The ratio is 5:3, not the actual distance.
I just emailed Ethan, after getting a reply from him when I commented on OC0702 about a typo in the deciphered text... there are a couple of points in there I meant to bring up in here first but kept forgetting, I hope that's ok.
Quote:
Hi Ethan,
We're pretty much still batting ideas back and forth - no big decisions lately on what things mean. Casablanca had a starter list of things to inquire about with Sandra (stuff in parentheses is added by me):
* A good description of the shape of the piece of metal (and its size and orientation: lying flat in the street, or standing or propped upright somehow? facing which direction?)
* As close to an exact location as possible
* If she knows if anything strange has happened in that area in the past
* If anything else strange has happened since Sunday night
* If she has gone back to the site and if there was anything there
As to the triangle thing, there was a little confusion as I did not mean to suggest an *equilateral* triangle (although I admit, that would be cool). I don't think the text indicates that all the points are a league away from each other, just the first two. It could turn out that way, but not necessarily.
"In all the greater must point true" could mean that the hypotenuse (the longest, or greatest, side) of the right triangle would point north ("true"). Just a hunch of course.
The "5 to 3" rule does seem more and more to indicate an approximation of the golden ratio, which might be used to predict the location of the third point from the first two.
What "the path" means is still up for grabs, though I think it'd be nice if it meant the path along the circumference of a circle. Sandra was driving down a street with such a path, after all.
As for who did it: I highly doubt it was one of us (the uC). Simply put, none of us are seriously into that sort of thing, as far as I'm aware, as much as we may like our X-Files reruns. My feeling is that this message was left for us by someone involved with the ritual, or someone who knows the people who are, and wants to get your attention for some reason... maybe just to show off, or perhaps to stop it from being completed.
Now for the really important question. What is a Brown Cow, and do I want one?
petunia
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Ethan Grant <ethan>
> Dear Petunia,
>
> Thank you, I'll let Frank know about that so he can correct it on the site. Were there any other updates since your group's last assessment of the text?
>
> Regards,
>
> Ethan Grant
> ===================================
>
> *petunia* wrote:
>
> FYI, I think there is a typo in line 9 of the deciphered text… should be "night" instead of "might."
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:32 pm
WolfHawk
Here is the initial sighting with a three-mile ring,
and a five-mile ring
. If we are dealing with the golden ratio the next ritual will appear at a point on this ring.
The third will appear somewhere on the remaining ring.
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Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 6:35 pm
WolfHawk
petunia wrote:
The line about "the rule prepares..." may refer back to "5 to 3." Which may not actually mean 2:55, since that glow was noticed at 11:30 P.M.
I am almost 100% sure the 5 to 3 rule is the golden ratio or golden mean. There is a LOT of mythology connected to it. It isn't just the math.
It is the basis for sacred geometry. it occurs repeatedly in nature, the Greeks considered it the perfect balance, the pentagram incorporates it, it is used extensively by artists, architects, musicians etc.
Vedic (Hindu) mythology also discusses following the golden path in our journey through life. It is a means by which we balance ourselves.
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 5:27 pm
Coffeebean
Would it have been mentioned in her local newspaper?
(or a 'fake' newspaper, like freewebs?)
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 4:22 pm
casablanca
Re: Sandra
surfzoned wrote:
We need to compile a list of questions to ask Sandra when Ethan talks to her next.
Some of these have already been mentioned, but I'd like to know:
* A good description of the shape of the piece of metal
* As close to an exact location as possible
* If she knows if anything strange has happened in that area in the past
* If anything else strange has happened since Sunday night
* If she has gone back to the site and if there was anything there
That's all I can think of right now.
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 11:09 am
surfzoned
Sandra
We need to compile a list of questions to ask Sandra when Ethan talks to her next.
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:03 pm
), although I found a link that referred to them as Space Blobs.
Sandman
