[Ryutso]

Gadjilitron wrote:

Wulf74 wrote: Gadjilitron wrote: Just another random thought while im still here. Something in all of this confuses me completely. Isn't Randall supposed to be the one who's going to help us get Port and Rage (if he's that stubborn about going) into the Institute? Yet he claims that NONE of these things exist in this reality. Anyone else find this a bit...odd? I had mentioned a lot of this when we first got that strange email from Randal, but there's so many directions to go, so many possible theories, so much meta to get caught up in again. I think we'd best be careful, and just proceed with what we've been given. Hmmm, fair enough. So we just wait till the 31st?

Seems like it. Hopefully something doesn't happen to Bricker before then. *knock on wood*

Although I, personally, still maintain my "3 levels of Game" theory.

EDIT: Thanks Schwinn

Also, about Gad's/Wulf's theory on why Randall is helping but saying Port/Rage don't exist, could Randall exist to help Bricker himself finish the story and write Port/Rage into the Brightman?

[Gadjilitron]

Wulf74 wrote:

Gadjilitron wrote: Just another random thought while im still here. Something in all of this confuses me completely. Isn't Randall supposed to be the one who's going to help us get Port and Rage (if he's that stubborn about going) into the Institute? Yet he claims that NONE of these things exist in this reality. Anyone else find this a bit...odd? I had mentioned a lot of this when we first got that strange email from Randal, but there's so many directions to go, so many possible theories, so much meta to get caught up in again. I think we'd best be careful, and just proceed with what we've been given.

Hmmm, fair enough. So we just wait till the 31st?

[3v1L Schwinn]

Welcome to the newset members of the brood.

[Wulf74]

Gadjilitron wrote:

Just another random thought while im still here. Something in all of this confuses me completely. Isn't Randall supposed to be the one who's going to help us get Port and Rage (if he's that stubborn about going) into the Institute? Yet he claims that NONE of these things exist in this reality. Anyone else find this a bit...odd?

I had mentioned a lot of this when we first got that strange email from Randal, but there's so many directions to go, so many possible theories, so much meta to get caught up in again. I think we'd best be careful, and just proceed with what we've been given.

[Gadjilitron]

Just another random thought while im still here.

Something in all of this confuses me completely. Isn't Randall supposed to be the one who's going to help us get Port and Rage (if he's that stubborn about going) into the Institute? Yet he claims that NONE of these things exist in this reality. Anyone else find this a bit...odd?

[classical]

Ryutso wrote:

Do Bricker and Port seem to have any similar friends or happenings, besides the whole mind wipe deal?

You know... it's been suggested a few times that Bricker thinks of Port as an extension of himself. Kinda a self-insertion into the story.

In Portland, I remember that Wulf showed him one of the pictures that he had gotten in Port's book--this one. It has "'72" written on the back, so we assumed that Port thinks this image is of him. But Bricker had a good, long look at it... after a lengthy pause, he said he knew the building in the background; it had been somewhere he'd visited a lot as a child. He couldn't say where he thought Port had gotten this picture, but he also said that Port (in his writing) had experienced similar things that he'd experienced.

If we are to go with ironnikki's theory on multiple realities... Port is Port in his reality, but in THIS reality, Bricker is, perhaps, "playing" the role of Port.

And... extending this further... Port has a Jenny and a Brightman in his reality. Bricker said many times in Portland that nothing exists off the coast of Bodega Bay except a lot of rocks; there is no real Brightman Institute. But following this theory, there might be some equivalent of a Jenny and a Brightman to Bricker that he needs to work out. And it's highly possible he doesn't know who it is, just in the same way that Port doesn't remember who Jenny/the Oracle really is anymore.

Or, perhaps, this meeting on August 31st is going to be a moment of convergence. Perhaps the cemetery is a portal of sorts between the two realities and, by Bricker showing up there, they are going to merge...

Oh man. I'm just dumping my thoughts here, so don't mind me. Reread Griffin & Sabine books and now I'm thinking too hard.

[Ryutso]

classical wrote:

Here's something else that has been concerning me for a while: Randall's comment on Port and Rage being fictional. Which, okay, if you really want to point fingers, he's just as fictional as them to us--but they're supposed to be existing in the same reality. Why would he call them fictional? Jesus, if Randall's actually apart of what's left of the Watchers as I suspect he is, Rage only KILLED ALL OF HIS TEAMMATES, fyi. Or even if Randall's outsider "hired help" as per his comment about being paid, it was by the Watchers... who are, y'know, just as fictional. Am I just reading it wrong? Or did someone else get confused by that as much as I did? It's been really bugging me.

Here's what I think:
We have 3 levels of Game Play here: OOG, IG, and DIG (Deep In Game).

There's a real PM (Bricker-OOG) that's running the fake company that Mr Eric worked for before he got fired (IG), which is putting on the game that Lenny/Rage/Demolay is/was working in (DIG). I'm also thinking that, besides being the PM of this one, Bricker is also a character IG as well.

If Randall is a member of Eric's "company", then of course Port and Rage would be fictional to him since he's not on the same level

classical wrote:

Anyhoo, what I'm concerned about is that Bricker's really losing focus here, and if we don't find a solution, he may not be of any use to us once August 31st rolls around. Someone's tampered with his family's memories, it appears, much in the same way that Port had his memories of Jenny removed. And perhaps have moved onto him now...

Do Bricker and Port seem to have any similar friends or happenings, besides the whole mind wipe deal?

[Gadjilitron]

Whew, 98 pages is one hell of a lot to digest in 1 sitting. Took me a good few hours, and I had to skip out most (if not all) of the stuff that wasn't actually written in this thread, but I think I managed to pick the relevant stuff out with what you posted hear. Not sure, brains too frazzled at this moment in time

Anyhow, i'd be happy to join the brood and help out wherever I can. Though this'd probs more be just towards the logical thinking side, as I can't do any digging until after Tuesday (on my bros comp, dont want him reading all these sites etc. and getting scared about the end of the world or something ) and am in the UK so can't do meets unfortunately.

Can someone just clarify when we last heard from Rage/King? Someone mind dropping them an e-mail to make sure they still 'exist'? Think that may be what this Randall guy was getting at, but it's probably nothing ^^

[ironnikki]

classical wrote:

Here's something else that has been concerning me for a while: Randall's comment on Port and Rage being fictional.

I was wondering about this myself. Here is the conclusion that I came to: Randall said that Rage and Port are fictional, but he seems perfectly alright with meeting with Bricker. We know that Brian Bricker is a real, living, breathing person, because you guys met him at ARGfest. I'm thinking that Randall exists in our reality, and therefore could not meet with Rage or Port because they don't. I suppose that saying someone is fictional is pretty much the same thing as saying that they exist in a separate reality.

Which only further confirms your theory that this Randall is not the same Randall as the one in TGATT, classical. Oh, and by the way, thanks for that manuscript, I just realized that I guess I never got the whole thing either... just bits and pieces from this thread, haha.

[classical]

Umm, I think I still have the full manuscript from when I made my copy of the book... lesse...

Yep! Here. The format's been edited slightly for my printing and the pieces that we recieved have been rearranged into what I thought made the most sense, but it's otherwise intact.

Anyhoo, what I'm concerned about is that Bricker's really losing focus here, and if we don't find a solution, he may not be of any use to us once August 31st rolls around. Someone's tampered with his family's memories, it appears, much in the same way that Port had his memories of Jenny removed. And perhaps have moved onto him now...

Here's something else that has been concerning me for a while: Randall's comment on Port and Rage being fictional. Which, okay, if you really want to point fingers, he's just as fictional as them to us--but they're supposed to be existing in the same reality. Why would he call them fictional? Jesus, if Randall's actually apart of what's left of the Watchers as I suspect he is, Rage only KILLED ALL OF HIS TEAMMATES, fyi. Or even if Randall's outsider "hired help" as per his comment about being paid, it was by the Watchers... who are, y'know, just as fictional.
Am I just reading it wrong? Or did someone else get confused by that as much as I did? It's been really bugging me.

[Ryutso]

Wulf74 wrote:

As far as the manuscript, I no longer have it. Which is why I had to ask Bricker to remind me where it left off. Sorry

Darn. That manuscript coulda helped me understand a bit more of this.

And at least something else good came out of this: Schwinn gets to keep his swag

[Wulf74]

Ryutso wrote:

Hey Wulf, I know your computer died and all, but you think you can send me what you have of the TGATT manuscript that Bricker sent you pieces of? 3v1L Schwinn wrote: So if Bricker is going should I mail him the yuan? I know it was said we need the "Key", but I figured that we used it to solve the maxa crypt. I don't have Bricker's address, email or street. Classi could you shoot him a email and ask him if you can pass his street address to me so I can send him the yuan? Damn it! that was my swag! Oh well! I'm thinking that if "Val" told him to drop the copy, that Wulf and Classi gave him in Portland, in a trashcan so far out of the way of Santa Rosa, that he doesn't need it right now. I think the yuan WAS the "key", so to speak, for Val's encrypted message about where we were supposed to meet Randall, not the key for getting into Brightman.

Ryutso is correct - the yuan is no longer needed so you can keep it Schwinn.

As far as the manuscript, I no longer have it. Which is why I had to ask Bricker to remind me where it left off. Sorry

[Ryutso]

Hey Wulf, I know your computer died and all, but you think you can send me what you have of the TGATT manuscript that Bricker sent you pieces of?

3v1L Schwinn wrote:

So if Bricker is going should I mail him the yuan? I know it was said we need the "Key", but I figured that we used it to solve the maxa crypt. I don't have Bricker's address, email or street. Classi could you shoot him a email and ask him if you can pass his street address to me so I can send him the yuan? Damn it! that was my swag! Oh well!

I'm thinking that if "Val" told him to drop the copy, that Wulf and Classi gave him in Portland, in a trashcan so far out of the way of Santa Rosa, that he doesn't need it right now.

I think the yuan WAS the "key", so to speak, for Val's encrypted message about where we were supposed to meet Randall, not the key for getting into Brightman.

[Wulf74]

Wow. I think I'm going to email him. That's just crazy weird. Portraying me in a Jesus like situation while simultaneusly giving me the eyes of a devil? Then putting us on TV, infomercials? I'm starting to suspect theres a clue in there somewhere. But for the life of me, I can't see it - maybe I'm too caught up in the narrative.

==edit==
I emailed Bricker trying to reassure him. Saying that Classy, myself, and everyone else on the forums are on the same side, working towards the same goal. Asking him to remind me where the story left off, so that maybe we can help get him started on it.

[3v1L Schwinn]

So if Bricker is going should I mail him the yuan? I know it was said we need the "Key", but I figured that we used it to solve the maxa crypt. I don't have Bricker's address, email or street. Classi could you shoot him a email and ask him if you can pass his street address to me so I can send him the yuan?

Damn it! that was my swag! Oh well!