[ASimulacraOfAlex]

paperbound wrote:

I'm not exactly sure I feel the same way about Ron. But that may just be me. Also, Bricker's not entirely expendable. We still need the ending to the story, don't we? Has he sent that to anyone yet? But with that said, do they know that we don't have it already? It'd be a pretty serious bluff, but one to consider at any rate. Also, I'm loving the comic - "Unregistered US Comic of Death" Aww! Classi has an admirer! At least it's Port and not the morons that had Starr's phone before!

Yeah, I have my doubts, but I think if he had meant BB harm, he wouldn't be checking in on him, asking him if he had a gun, etc.
Then again, maybe hes just making his presence known.

And you're right...we don't have that yet...I just meant from a bargaining standpoint, Bricker *is* expendable... *wink wink*

EDIT:

wow...I leave for a day and...two emails from our buddy T.

Quote:

from T Bettelheim <distortedview> to Alex Galle-From <thealexster> date Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:53 PM subject Re: Randall Snodgrass signed-by ymail.com The attached pic was taken yesterday afternoon, yo!! At any moment we could snag somethin valuable to you too!! Let's all play Mexican effen standoff!! From: Alex Galle-From <thealexster> To: distortedviewSPLATymail.com Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 2:28:36 PM Subject: Randall Snodgrass We have Randall. Is he valuable to you? -the folded brood

Well that verifies that he's NSA...he knows the name randell.

EDIT 2:
And the second email...
This proves beyond a doubt hes working with NSA.

Quote:

from T Bettelheim <distortedview> to <TheAlexster> date Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 12:38 PM subject Re: Holly signed-by ymail.com hide details 12:38 PM (1 hour ago) What's it going to take then? ---------------------------------------------- I want her back and I want her back alive. I don't care what it takes. And tell Craig to submit whatever he wants, I don't give one shit what that pissant wants to do. Don't fail me. From: ************nsa.gov To: T Bettelheim <distortedview> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 9:07:11 AM Subject: Re: Holly Jerry, this is getting way the hell out of hand. Division says theres a 42% chance that AR is bluffing and that Holly is fine...which leaves what a 58% chance that shes being triple played right now by a bunch of guys that AR scraped out from under some bridge. Can we just pull the plug? ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: T Bettelheim <distortedview> To: ************nsa.gov Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 10:39:14 PM Subject: Re: Holly What up Cronk? It seems that your Chief's little fingerwarmer is about to sink our whole operation (lookit govtb.jpg on the G: drive). If Jer loses his nuts over this I swear I'm gonna submit a TASCO. Do we push the button on BB? Wall-E

So, what do we want? Shit is going down. Not sure what the picture is of though...looks like a parking ramp.

EDIT 3:
This is on rage's twitter, for anyone who hasn't seen it yet.

Quote:

ArlenRageAlas, I discovered that getting her to talk just a little bit exposed the weakness in the armor. Be prepared for a downhill roll...

[3v1L Schwinn]

This just in. I just checked my email from my phone and there is a message frpm our govermemt friend. I cant post it just yet. I will as soon as I get home.

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What's it going to take then?     I want her back and I want her back alive.  I don't care what it takes.  And tell Craig to submit whatever he wants, I don't give one shit what that pissant wants to do.   Don't fail me. From: ************nsa.gov To: T Bettelheim <distortedview> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 9:07:11 AM Subject: Re: Holly       Jerry, this is getting way the hell out of hand. Division says theres a 42% chance that AR is bluffing and that Holly is fine...which leaves what a 58% chance that shes being triple played right now by a bunch of guys that AR scraped out from under some bridge. Can we just pull the plug? ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: T Bettelheim <distortedview> To: ************nsa.gov Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 10:39:14 PM Subject: Re: Holly   What up Cronk?   It seems that your Chief's little fingerwarmer is about to sink our whole operation (lookit govtb.jpg on the G: drive). If Jer loses his nuts over this I swear I'm gonna submit a TASCO.  Do we push the button on BB?   Wall-E

[paperbound]

ASimulacraOfAlex wrote:

Also, if you could email bricker and try to get some contact info for ron...? I feel as though ron might actually be able to help keep bricker safe. Also, some thoughts for anyone who might get caught up in negotiating... BB is expendable at this point. I know that is something no one wants to hear, but it's true, and it helps our bargaining tremendously. So we need to make clear that we don't need BB, but if anything happens to him they have no chance of getting Holly/RS back. So obviously the goal is to keep BB alive, but we need to make sure they know, in no uncertain terms that he is expendable, unlike Holly/RS. That immediately puts them on the defensive, as they still need a way to keep her alive.

I'm not exactly sure I feel the same way about Ron. But that may just be me.

Also, Bricker's not entirely expendable. We still need the ending to the story, don't we? Has he sent that to anyone yet? But with that said, do they know that we don't have it already? It'd be a pretty serious bluff, but one to consider at any rate.

Also, I'm loving the comic - "Unregistered US Comic of Death"

Aww! Classi has an admirer! At least it's Port and not the morons that had Starr's phone before!

[classical]

I will forgive the PM this time for the serious abuse of photoshop filters just because it made me lol.

Uhhh anyway, in reference to our brief gamejack:

Quote:

ArlenRage: Things still okay, my dear? clas1ca: Yeah? Er. Did you think I wasn't okay? ArlenRage: I was concerned. Don't underestimate your importance in this situation. clas1ca: Collective 'you' or specific 'you'? In general, we're all a bit confused, but personally? I'm just dandy, thanks. ArlenRage: Sorry for the confusion. Flies in the ointment and all that. I meant the specific you, by the way. It seems that Port is quite fond of you.

D'aww.

[3v1L Schwinn]

Good Mornning!!! Hey look. Rage made us a Comic Book...
From:http://www.1407oakhurst.info/

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Time's Running Out Jerry...She Can't Take Much More (if ya know what we mean - and we think you do!)

[ASimulacraOfAlex]

Ryutso wrote:

ASimulacraOfAlex wrote: I think we should put some feelers out to see how valuable holly really is, and see what leverage we might be able to get. This. Let's put out some hints and see what they're willing to give in return for Holly. If she's that valuable then we may be able to trade for a guided tour of the Brightman. ASimulacraOfAlex wrote: Stuff We have T Bettleheim and I think that's it. I believe that's IG.

So. I'll open communication with TB, and start by feeling out whether hes CIA, NSA, or Watcher.
@Classi-I know you said you weren't very good at negotiation, so I dont think you'll mind if I take some of that over, as I feel fairly confident in my negotiating skills. Also, if you could email bricker and try to get some contact info for ron...? I feel as though ron might actually be able to help keep bricker safe.

Also, some thoughts for anyone who might get caught up in negotiating... BB is expendable at this point. I know that is something no one wants to hear, but it's true, and it helps our bargaining tremendously. So we need to make clear that we don't need BB, but if anything happens to him they have no chance of getting Holly/RS back. So obviously the goal is to keep BB alive, but we need to make sure they know, in no uncertain terms that he is expendable, unlike Holly/RS. That immediately puts them on the defensive, as they still need a way to keep her alive.

[Ryutso]

ASimulacraOfAlex wrote:

So rage replied...apparently we don't need to worry about the bird fleeing the coop. SimulacraAlex wrote: @ArlenRage How long do you feel you can safely keep holly captive? She seems like she might be more use to us that way. Please advise. Quote: ArlenRage I can keep her alive for as long - or as short - as I want. What are you thinking? I think we should put some feelers out to see how valuable holly really is, and see what leverage we might be able to get.

This. Let's put out some hints and see what they're willing to give in return for Holly. If she's that valuable then we may be able to trade for a guided tour of the Brightman.

ASimulacraOfAlex wrote:

EDIT 2: Nevermind, I figured it out, I did some reading at the "other" forum. What email contacts do we have with the CIA/NSA? Direct email for ron? EDIT 3: Also, what about that T Bettelheim character 3v1 got an email from...is that part of the CIAbrams gamejack or was that actually IG? Do we have a consensus?

We have T Bettleheim and I think that's it. I believe that's IG.

ASimulacraOfAlex wrote:

and finally, EDIT 4: @ryutso, I asked rage to try and get some answers to those questions you proposed, and told him that he didnt need to be especially gentle, as long as he kept her alive. He replied: Quote: ArlenRage: I'll get to work on this, my friend. It'll take a little time - she's not the type to crack just due to second-hand smoke! So I vote we wait till we get some answers before we proceed...anyone?

Second hand smoke....Hmm. I suggested Chinese Water Torture to him.

[ironnikki]

Well, it looks like we don't really have anything we can do, at least not for now. We may as well try to pump Holly for information until we can formulate our next move. So, in other words, I agree with Ryutso.

Also, Rage tells us that nobody has Bricker, but if that's the case, why did Ron show up at his house? Have we heard from him since then?

[ASimulacraOfAlex]

So rage replied...apparently we don't need to worry about the bird fleeing the coop.

SimulacraAlex wrote:

@ArlenRage How long do you feel you can safely keep holly captive? She seems like she might be more use to us that way. Please advise.

Quote:

ArlenRage I can keep her alive for as long - or as short - as I want. What are you thinking?

I think we should put some feelers out to see how valuable holly really is, and see what leverage we might be able to get.

EDIT:

classical wrote:

... so while I regain my composition ... Brian says hi. Quote: Courtney, This is really going too far. My wife said that Ron was asking... --Brian

Wait, I missed something. who is Ron again?

EDIT 2: Nevermind, I figured it out, I did some reading at the "other" forum. What email contacts do we have with the CIA/NSA? Direct email for ron?

EDIT 3: Also, what about that T Bettelheim character 3v1 got an email from...is that part of the CIAbrams gamejack or was that actually IG? Do we have a consensus?

and finally,
EDIT 4: @ryutso, I asked rage to try and get some answers to those questions you proposed, and told him that he didnt need to be especially gentle, as long as he kept her alive. He replied:

Quote:

ArlenRage: I'll get to work on this, my friend. It'll take a little time - she's not the type to crack just due to second-hand smoke!

So I vote we wait till we get some answers before we proceed...anyone?

[ASimulacraOfAlex]

ASimulacraOfAlex wrote:

EDIT: Also, CIAbrams has always struck me as being suspiciously OOG.

classical wrote:

edit;; wtffffff Quote: CIAbrams: HAD YA GOING FOR A MINUTE THOUGH!! JUNKOJUNKOJUNKOJUNKO!!!!!!!!!!! And now the account is gone. ... so can someone explain to me what the FUCK is going on?? What was the goddamn purpose of that, other than to waste my fucking time?

I knew it.
[META] I've been lurking the Junko meta section for a while, and its really gotten out of hand. Annoying. From now on, we definitely need to make absolutely sure any communications we get are from sources we know are legitimate. [/META]

BUT, even though CIAbrams was a GJ, it did make me think. Holly is very valuable to someone, shes a very dangerous and resourceful woman. She is going to be more valuable to us alive then dead, either as a bargaining tool, or as a source of information. Im going to contact rage and see how long he feels he could safely hold on to her.

EDIT: Also, good job @Ryutso with the fake returned email...I wonder who doesn't want us to contact Jenny?

[ironnikki]

Man, this game really grew pretty fast. Sorry I haven't been around for a little while; just moved into my new apartment on Sunday, and I'm starting my first class of the semester in 10 mins. Ugh.

Anyway, I'll try to get caught up and see if I can't contribute something later. As for Junko, I played the very beginning of that game, and I feel pretty darn certain that it has nothing to do with this. Also, I would strongly advise none of you to jump into that game, as it seems to have degenerated into some kind of 4chan monstrosity. But, to each his own, I suppose.

[Ryutso]

3v1L Schwinn wrote:

[META] I have been lurking the META section of Junko Junsui. (What ClusterF#Ck that turned out to be) I know "I'm sorry" was referenced a couple times there. But this looks like a failed gamejack attempt too me. Probably some 4chan spill over. Some scriptkiddie's idea of fun I guess. [/META]

I agree with the clusterf#ck thing. I was reading over Nighthawks timeline and all the things the PM did wrong....yeesh.

3v1L Schwinn wrote:

That being said, below is the email I get from Jenny's address. It is supposed to look like mailer-deamon failure, maybe it is just me but it just dosen't seem right. I figured I would throw it up here just incase... Quote: fromJenny Chamberlain <brightmanoracle> toThree Schwinn <3v1l> dateTue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:57 PM subjectRe: Are you there mailed-bygmail.com hide details 10:57 PM (8 hours ago) From: Mail Delivery System [<MailerDaemon>] Subject: Mail delivery failed: Are you there To: 3v1l.schwinnSPLATgmail.com Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 7:57 PM This message was created automatically by Google mail delivery software. A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: brightmanoracleSPLATgmail.com mailbox is full: retry timeout exceeded

Wow. That's a bit unbelievable, considering gmail has a 7GB limit on email, which is literally 20,000 emails of just text.

Do you think you can post the headers Schwinn?

Also, how long was it between the time you emailed her and the time you got that MailerDaemon message? Cause I fired off an email to Jenny myself, and if her mailbox reaqlly is full, I should've gotten an instant reply back, but I've gotten nothing yet.

=edit=

That's not the MailerDaemon. At least, not Gmail's.

Here is the proper MailerDaemon format when you encounter an error:

Quote:

from Mail Delivery Subsystem (mailer-daemonSPLATgooglemail.com) to ebb0246@gmail.com date Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:36 AM subject Delivery Status Notification (Failure) This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently: asfjknSPLATgmail.com Technical details of permanent failure: The email account that you tried to reach does not exist. Please try double-checking the recipient's email address for typos or unnecessary spaces. Learn more at http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=6596 ----- Original message ----- MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.113.13 with SMTP id l13mr12892844ybc.248.1251293771724; Wed, 26 Aug 2009 06:36:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:36:11 -0400 Message-ID: <33913f9a0908260636qae5c28dw18290fd4b54ec59a> Subject: Test From: <ebb0246> To: asfjknSPLATgmail.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd3ae80c5fa3004720b8819 --000e0cd3ae80c5fa3004720b8819 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What you doing? --000e0cd3ae80c5fa3004720b8819 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Message truncated -----

Now, keeping in mind that this is because the email address I sent this to doesn't exist, you can see the proper format. Every MailerDaemon response always has a link to the Gmail Support section and they reply back to you with the technical details about the message. They also send it back to you, mere seconds after you send it out. It's been 15 minutes and no "Failure" notice has come back to me from Jenny's email.

In short, that's not the MailerDaemon sending those emails. Someone is trying to stop us from contacting Jenny.

=edit 2=

Ha! More proof that her mailbox's not full and that it's not a Gmail MailerDaemon:

Well 1st clue, the email came from from

Quote:

Jenny Chamberlain (brightmanoracleSPLATgmail.com)

When all Gmail MailerDaemon messages come directly from:

Quote:

Mail Delivery Subsystem (mailer-daemonSPLATgooglemail.com)

Second clue is that the MailerDaemon email from Jenny's email address is

Quote:

From: Mail Delivery System (Mailer-Daemon.brightmanoracleSPLATgmail.com)

Also I just got an email from Google that Mailer-Daemon.brightmanoracleSPLATgmail.com doesn't exist.

So I don't know where we go from here, unless we get some answers out of Holly before we trade her for Brightman Access.

[3v1L Schwinn]

Ryutso wrote:

Oh god. Okay, from the Junko Junsui section on UF. From what I can gather, the ARG has apparently gone downhill and the PMs started attacking the players and blocking them from the game and teaming up with 4chan in order to finish the ARG because 4chan is their "knight in shining armor" or some BS like that. I don't know how this applies to our ARG, but that's twice that someone has referenced Junko within this ARG. Not saying they're connected, but it looks like the fallout from the Junko ARG has caused people to try and Gamejack us.

[META]
I have been lurking the META section of Junko Junsui. (What ClusterF#Ck that turned out to be) I know "I'm sorry" was referenced a couple times there.
But this looks like a failed gamejack attempt too me. Probably some 4chan spill over. Some scriptkiddie's idea of fun I guess. [/META]

That being said, below is the email I get from Jenny's address. It is supposed to look like mailer-deamon failure, maybe it is just me but it just dosen't seem right. I figured I would throw it up here just incase...

Quote:

fromJenny Chamberlain <brightmanoracle> toThree Schwinn <3v1l> dateTue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:57 PM subjectRe: Are you there mailed-bygmail.com hide details 10:57 PM (8 hours ago) From: Mail Delivery System [<MailerDaemon>] Subject: Mail delivery failed: Are you there To: 3v1l.schwinnSPLATgmail.com Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 7:57 PM This message was created automatically by Google mail delivery software. A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: brightmanoracleSPLATgmail.com mailbox is full: retry timeout exceeded

[classical]

Yeah... a friend of mine pointed out the first reference a bit after I had posted and the pieces fell together. Bemusing, at best. I would suggest we move on with the real game, hm?

That said, I think my plan to trade Holly for Brightman access still stands.

[Ryutso]

classical wrote:

This d/tweet I just got might explain your thought, Schwinn: Quote: ArlenRage: Don't let anyone fool you, my dear. No one has the writer. Trust me. Y'know, strangely enough... I trust him! edit;; wtffffff Quote: CIAbrams: HAD YA GOING FOR A MINUTE THOUGH!! JUNKOJUNKOJUNKOJUNKO!!!!!!!!!!! And now the account is gone. ... so can someone explain to me what the FUCK is going on?? What was the goddamn purpose of that, other than to waste my fucking time?

Oh god. Okay, from the Junko Junsui section on UF. From what I can gather, the ARG has apparently gone downhill and the PMs started attacking the players and blocking them from the game and teaming up with 4chan in order to finish the ARG because 4chan is their "knight in shining armor" or some BS like that.

I don't know how this applies to our ARG, but that's twice that someone has referenced Junko within this ARG.

Not saying they're connected, but it looks like the fallout from the Junko ARG has caused people to try and Gamejack us.