[godder]

Crap! I don't know. This cipher drives me crazy. I really don't have time to mess with it again right now. Maybe you guys have it now though.

[zeighy]

And this is why I do not really want this cipher.... So, I wonder who's in that location, or what?

EDIT : I just made a formula for calculating the "lowest value"... It's basically calculating the distance from the origin to the coordinates

d = sqrt((sqrt(|x|^2 + |y|^2) + |z|^2)

we do that for each coordinates, and see which has lowest value...

56,3,23 = 24.1884331772697
-2,5,-9 = 9.2943619903216
10,-9,20 = 20.3335590600139
71,0,1 = 8.4852813742386
-34,5,10 = 11.5916211357549

therefore,

71+(-2)+(-34) = 35 / 3 = 11.66666666666667
11.66666666666667+10+56 = 77.66666666666667 / 3 = 25.88888888888889
25.88888888888889 + 11.66666666666667 = 37.55555555555556 / 2 = 18.77777777777778
so, x axis = 18.77777777777778

0+5+5= 10 / 3 = 3.333333333333333
3.333333333333333+(-9)+3 = -2.666666666666667 / 3 = -0.8888888888888889
(-0.8888888888888889)+3.333333333333333 = 2.444444444444444 / 2 = 1.222222222222222
so, y axis = 1.222222222222222

1+(-9)+10 = 2 / 3 = 0.6666666666666667
0.6666666666666667+20+23 = 43.66666666666667 / 3 = 14.55555555555556
14.55555555555556+0.6666666666666667 = 15.22222222222222 / 2 = 7.611111111111111
so, z axis = 15.22222222222222

so, final coordinates are (18.77777777777778, 1.222222222222222, 15.22222222222222)
or (18.778, 1.222, 15.222)

Anyone want to double check? haha

[posse]

This is the first time I've sat down and calculated this, so I could be wrong, and I want to check my answer with you guys.

I think the lowest 3 coordinates are: (-2,5,-9) (10,-9,20) (-34,5,10) based on my (probably incorrect!!) assumption that "lowest" means shortest distance to the origin (0,0,0). And my short memory of math would just mean that if I were to take the square root of x ² +y ² +z ² , that's the distance from the origin. Yes/no?

Then it's a matter of averaging the values by axis:
Average of 3 lowest coordinates (M): 15.3333, 6.3333, 13
Average of M + (56,3,23) and (71,0,1) (N): 47.4444, 3.1111, 12.3333
Average of M + N: 31.38888, 4.72222, 12.6666

Please let me know if I'm missing something!

[Lystella]

I received the same response for the same coordinates, so I think so.

After reading the OOG's explanation of the STS, I also found this, which I didn't take into account during the earlier calculation.

Quote:

when we speak of lowest value, all coordinates must be present. You will only proceed to next step only if you have done all the axis. Comparing the coordinates to see which is lowest requires that you have to look at all the axis in use. e.g. (10, 8 ) versus (-2, 9), you do not just compare 10 and -2. You will have to consider also the other axis, to determine which is lower. Of course, we are speaking of absolute value thus, -2 is actually 2. So to determine which is closer, you'll have to compute for the hypotenuse of the coordinate from the origin (0, 0).

[posse]

I also sent the coordinates to Ruby, and it replied:

Quote:

RESPONSE: I have sent a scout probe to inspect the coordinates provided and it found nothing.

I sent the coordinates: 15.3888922, 1.11110778, 7.6111068 -- are these wrong?

[Lystella]

Perhaps not for current progression, but who knows if this info will become relevant in the future. Also, i luff fluff! <3

EDIT: I wasn't sure if godder already sent in the coordinates, but I emailed them to LAINSY just in case.

[posse]

I asked Skyfall about the "dangerous inter-galactic criminal" last week and got this response, but got busy and couldn't post it until now (sorry!!!!):

Quote:

Well, this criminal has been known for ages for misuse of the Jhuku. Since cycle six, this criminal has been attempting, and sometimes has been successful, in locating the Jhuku and extracting information about past cycles. Through this, it makes him near impossible to defeat and avoid. Thankfully by design of the Jhuku, it is easier to escape this criminal and make it hard for him to extract information for each Jhuku. It is highly mandatory that the Jhuku be retrieved for the safety of everyone and to assure that the reason why the Jhuku was made in the first place be guaranteed to be accomplished. As long as the Jhuku is away from this criminal, Oriru Serku will mandate the Jhuku's safety. Also, be advised that the Oriru Serku does not physically exist in this point in time. However, they have sent me back in time to assist in this issue. Thankfully, the timing of early release of DSN allows the Oriru Serku to have access to Whisppher technology allowing inter-EOS communication. The criminal will be handled by another of our agent in the future once Afyg has been returned to it's original timeline. Current technologies in this time prevent us from being able to handle him properly and may just provoke him to escape or even worse attack other inter-galactic civilizations while they are still much vulnerable.

It probably doesn't help too much, though.

[zeighy]

I hate that tracking system... very confusing... and we'd get different answers! haha, I remember spending quite some time for that.

So has anyone contacted LAINSY about this? And any message from skyfall? Or Genus? Things seem so quiet recently....

[Lystella]

Thankies, godder! It matches now \(^_^)/

[godder]

Lystella wrote:

I don't trust myself with math, so here's what I did for comparison: Code: // Original coordinates // 56,3,23 -2,5,-9 10,-9,20 71,0,1 -34,5,10 // Absolute values from smallest to largest (I think?) // 2,5,9 10,9,20 34,5,10 71,0,1 56,3,23 // 1 // ( [2+10+34]/3, [5+9+5]/3, [9+20+10]/3 ) (15.3333, 6.3333, 13) // 2 // ( [71+56]/2, [0+3]/2, [1+23]/2 ) (63.5, 1.5, 12) // 3 // (39.417, 3.917, 12.5) Also, LAINSY log update! Code: 01/18/2012-14:04:23GMT : SYSTEM MESSAGE RECEIVED ---MESSAGE START--- He asked me once, "Why do we have to avoid the inevitable? If it's inevitable then it is bound to happen no matter what you do." Then I answered, "It is because in this universe, anything can happen. What can happen here, might be not possible elsewhere." He face started to show signs of disbelief. I could understand why. Amongst all that can be selected it was him who never knew anything had to know everything. Then he asked, "Once everything has been set into moti ---MESSAGE END--- MESSAGE PREMATURELY TERMINATED I wish I could hear the rest of the conversation. It intrigues me.

Ok, finally had time to check my old emails for the guidance that genus gave me on this coordinate cipher.

Quote:

X axis is separate from Y axis... compute them separately. Also, by lowest, I mean lowest absolute value... by which you disregard whether it's a positive or negative... however when calculating, you will make sure you calculte it as positive or negative... you only need it's absolute value when checking which is of lowest value...

So try yours again, Lystella, figuring each axis seperately and see if yours matches mine. Interesting message. Sounds like maybe Genus talking to the Jhuku or someone else talking to Genus or the Jhuku.

[Lystella]

I don't trust myself with math, so here's what I did for comparison:

Code:

// Original coordinates // 56,3,23 -2,5,-9 10,-9,20 71,0,1 -34,5,10 // Absolute values from smallest to largest (I think?) // 2,5,9 10,9,20 34,5,10 71,0,1 56,3,23 // 1 // ( [2+10+34]/3, [5+9+5]/3, [9+20+10]/3 ) (15.3333, 6.3333, 13) // 2 // ( [71+56]/2, [0+3]/2, [1+23]/2 ) (63.5, 1.5, 12) // 3 // (39.417, 3.917, 12.5)

Also, LAINSY log update!

Code:

01/18/2012-14:04:23GMT : SYSTEM MESSAGE RECEIVED ---MESSAGE START--- He asked me once, "Why do we have to avoid the inevitable? If it's inevitable then it is bound to happen no matter what you do." Then I answered, "It is because in this universe, anything can happen. What can happen here, might be not possible elsewhere." He face started to show signs of disbelief. I could understand why. Amongst all that can be selected it was him who never knew anything had to know everything. Then he asked, "Once everything has been set into moti ---MESSAGE END--- MESSAGE PREMATURELY TERMINATED

I wish I could hear the rest of the conversation. It intrigues me.

[godder]

Okay, so I did them again several more times and I think I worked out all the bugs.

15.3888922, 1.11110778, 7.6111068

I'm still not getting the same as you, Lystella. Maybe I'm still doing it completely wrong. If I have time, I'll try to post my equations so you can see what I'm doing. Oh, and I totally disregard significant digits, because that's how I roll. I'm a mathematical rebel.

[Lystella]

In terms of taking the negative numbers into account, I found this:

"Sidereus Tracking System Explained" wrote:

1) Average first three lowest coordinates, based on their absolute value. Answer to that will be called M. 2) Now, average M and the other two coordinates. The answer will be called N. 3) Average M and N to get the real coordinates.

I came up with (39.417, 3.917, 12.5), although my significant figures are probably off.

[godder]

Well, this is what I came up with...

15.388892, .333333333, 8.5

Everybody check me to be sure I'm correct. I remember there being a trick that has to do with the negative signs.

Since there are three coordinates this time I assume we are looking at a point in space? I guess we could feed these to lainsy and see if she can tell us where the location is. Any other ideas?

[themedic274]

godder wrote:

Email from genus... Quote: Yes, exactly what I'm up to. Emily is in trouble, wait in fact everyone of us on Earth right now is in trouble. There's not much time to explain, Emily is currently in the hands of the Orkudusu, which is BIG trouble.   The coordinates are Sidereus Tracking System. It's different kind of system where there's actually only ONE source, but normal sensors would see five. It's usually not so obvious on first look, but Sidereus Tracking System (or shall we call it STS) can generate an unlimited number of beacon locations to conceal the real one, however, unless you know it's an STS beacon knowing what to do with it is impossible.   To find the real beacon, you need to average the first three lowest coordinates, then the answer to that needs to be averaged with the other two... Then, you'll need to add the first average to the second. Once you get the answer to that, divide it by two.. then you'll get the real coordinates of the real beacon. It's easy to find the real coordinates if you know what to do, however, creating these coordinates often takes a while. But the benefit is the ability to change all the fake beacon locations to make it look like you're moving.   What's interesting is when you have two real beacons broadcasting at the same time, it makes things much more complicated. However, in this case, there's only one, which is why we have five fake locations.   Anyways, it's weird why Pedro and 45459 is not here. I don't even quite understand what happened, but I'm quite sure that you met a future me from where ever you came from due to the way you talk to me like I know what happened and where they are.   As much as you think I should know, I don't know what happened to them.   Also, Winston is on my team. I know he should be a BOD, however, he's part of the much larger organizations that I prefer not to mention right now. We have wiped everyone on FAILTECH memories about him, of course LAINSY could probably remember him, but that wouldn't the biggest problem we have to face.   Unfortunately, time on this part of the universe is not exactly running how it should compared to the rest. Unfortunately, the DSN should be up by now, however it's not yet done on this side. We're done and waiting on the Afyg side, however, we were worried something bad has happened so they sent me back.   I'll spare you the details later. I need to go. So, anybody have a little time for some math?

For reference.
I'm doing some work now, will give it a shot in a few hours.