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Yoko99
Indeed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Periodic_table.svg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_weight#Periodic_table_by_atomic_weight

They're RELATIVE atomic masses on that last one.

PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 5:30 pm
ObFuSc8
RE: Promethium
Mr_White wrote:
Hi all,

I've been looking into the number 147 (attached to Adamantime) and I found something that could be interesting.

Quote:
Promethium-147

Promethium-147 has a half-life of 2.62 years, and is a fission product produced in nuclear reactors via beta decay from neodymium-147. The isotopes 142Nd, 143Nd, 144Nd, 145Nd, 146Nd, 148Nd, and 150Nd are stable, so the isotopes of promethium with those masses cannot be produced by beta decay and therefore are not fission products in significant quantities. 149Pm and 151Pm have half-lives of only 53.08 and 28.40 hours, so are not found in spent nuclear fuel that has been cooled for months or years.


Source


Hi Mr_White! Thanks for reminding me about this. I'd thrown in a comment about Promethium a few pages back, kind of buried in at the end of a long post. I intended to get back and post more but forgot, partly because I thought it might be a dead end.

We should be careful not to confuse/mix ATOMIC numbers with ISOTOPE numbers.

ATOMIC number -- indicates the # of protons in the atom's nucleus

ISOTOPES -- variants of a chemical element that all have the same number or protons but different numbers of neutrons. They are designated by their MASS number (number of protons PLUS neutrons).

Promethium is a rare, but known, element and (per wiki) does not exist in nature, except in trace quantities as a product of spontaneous fission.

Promethium has an ATOMIC # of 61 and has MANY isotopes (38, I think) of which Promethium 147 is just one of them.

darkkk wrote:
good catch with the prometheum-147, that is actually an isotope
the normal promethium with number 61 is actually part of the rare earths.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rare_earth_element


ALL Promethium atoms have an ATOMIC # of 61, including Promethium 147 (where the 147 refers to the MASS number -- protons PLUS neutrons.

THEREALOWINN wrote:

Massive lead.

Adamantine Ax 147 = Promethium 147


ChrisPachi wrote:


Very interesting. Also keep in mind that GRAPHITE has been incorrectly given the same number 147. Thanks Mr_White!


Again, I think we need to be careful not to equate ATOMIC #'s and MASS #'s.

Since both Adamantine and Graphite are fictional "elements" we can't really be sure whether the 147 is an atomic or mass number, but the rest of the known elements they've listed are all listed with their atomic numbers.


Now, given the fact that they actually used that silly trailing comma as part of the /245409 password, I have to hope the PM's recognize the basic distinction between ATOMIC #'s and MASS #'s.

PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 5:21 pm
SevenSonicStructures
antovolk wrote:
I'm now getting the filling all the space stuff @UK_Prometheus are posting aren't clues, but just for their Pinterest page... http://pinterest.com/prometheusuk/out-there/


So basically the only reliable twitter account is @PrometheusMovie then?

PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 5:06 pm
Yoko99
Re: Reticuli - Reticula - Reticulum - Rediculus!!
ObFuSc8 wrote:
In english, yes of course you are right, but as I stated above most of individual star proper names are latin genitive case.

I hope that helps.


ok, I meant in latin though.
also I thought I'd explained all that you've just said like two pages ago, but I may be bad at using words.

PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 4:57 pm
antovolk
I'm now getting the filling all the space stuff @UK_Prometheus are posting aren't clues, but just for their Pinterest page... http://pinterest.com/prometheusuk/out-there/

PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 4:23 pm
ObFuSc8
Re: Reticuli - Reticula - Reticulum - Rediculus!!
Rocket Rob wrote:
Noun

1. Reticulum - a small constellation in the southern hemisphere near Dorado and Hydrus

2. reticulum - any fine network (especially one in the body composed of cells or blood vessels)

reticula is the plural of reticulum?

Reticulum is plural as in a collection of, say "Stars". As in a collection of or constellation of Stars, hence the constellation Reticulum.

Am I getting this right? Learning as I go.


I'm rusty at this and really only know enough Latin for medicine, and haven't done much astrophysics since high school but here goes...

Fascination with stars/constellations began in ancient times so many of the modern, western proper names for constellations (technically asterisms) come directly from their latin/greek names.

Traditionally astronomy groups stars into constellations and assigns proper names to each constellation/asterism. The proper names of the individual stars within that constellation are derived from the constellation's proper name except in the case of a few of the brightest stars which have individual proper names not based on their constellation (ex: Regulus, Antares, Aldebaran, Deneb, etc.)

When naming individual stars/oblects within a constellation, the latin genitives of their names are used often with a greek numeral designation.

So RETICULUM is actually singular (not plural) and (per wiki ) was actually renamed "le Réticule Rhomboideas" by French astronomer Louis de Lacaille in the 18th century and later latinized to Reticulum in his star catalog.

RETICULA is indeed the plural of RETICULUM (in the nominative, vocative and accusative cases).

SevenSonicStructures wrote:

And btw, shouldn't Zeta1 and Zeta2 be referenced as "Reticuli" together, anyway? It's a binary system, which is why they have the 1 and 2 denominations... As much as Reticula is a plural of Reticuli, it seems off.

Learning Latin, through an ARG? I wouldn't have thought...


In the case of binary system's proper names, you would again start with the constellation name and then use the latin genitive for the system (both stars together). Then each of the individual stars within the binary system gets a letter or number designation hence:
RETICULUM -- constellation proper name
ZETA RETICULI -- binary system proper name (latin genitive)
ZETA 1 RETICULI ]
ZETA 2 RETICULI ] -- the 2 individual stars' proper names.

If you simply state "Zeta Reticuli" (without specifying 1 or 2) it is assumed that you are referring to the binary system as a whole.

Yoko99 wrote:


Nouns that end in -i are the plural form of the words that end in -us

(Colossus, Cactus...)


In english, yes of course you are right, but as I stated above most of individual star proper names are latin genitive case.

I hope that helps.

PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 4:21 pm
blackfeathers
just a brief word that the wiki was created to be volunteer- and community-driven. it still needs work.

please feel free to contribute, check and verify any relevant info that might be worth referencing or be useful to fellow players. i contribute to the wiki when i can, but am not doing it full time.

and, just a reminder that it's also a good idea to cite sources if we can and while we're at it. Smile

http://bigthingshavesmallbeginnings.wikispaces.com/

PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 2:44 pm
SevenSonicStructures
enaxor wrote:

The timeline was also posted by Guestuser17 earlier in this very thread.


Right, also here, in the wiki: http://bigthingshavesmallbeginnings.wikispaces.com/Weyland+Industries+Corporate+Timeline
For some reason I didn't have it bookmarked.

PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 1:43 pm
dntmndm
Re: Prometheus UK twitter, facebook..
tpbiv wrote:
Im thinking that the prometheusuk twitter account has nothing to do with the puzzles at all. I think they are just posting random prometheus stuff to promote the film.

The regular prometheus twitter is legit of course, but they havent posted anything in awhile.


If so, they should be slapped for this:

Quote:
The mystery continues on Twitter: @UK_Prometheus


-> https://www.facebook.com/PrometheusMovieUK/posts/356168541090932

Tweets like

Quote:
Only at the edge of space will all be revealed...#areyouseeingthis


-> https://twitter.com/UK_Prometheus/status/183236713995452416

or

Quote:
Have you discovered the rich history of Weyland Industries? http://bit.ly/zXB2rH


-> https://twitter.com/UK_Prometheus/status/182874345683693569

sound like clues.

But you may be right.

PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 1:31 pm
tpbiv
Prometheus UK twitter, facebook..
Im thinking that the prometheusuk twitter account has nothing to do with the puzzles at all. I think they are just posting random prometheus stuff to promote the film.

The regular prometheus twitter is legit of course, but they havent posted anything in awhile.

PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 1:17 pm
Yoko99
SevenSonicStructures wrote:
As much as Reticula is a plural of Reticuli, it seems off.

Learning Latin, through an ARG? I wouldn't have thought...


Except that reticula still isn't the plural for reticuli.
It's the plural for reticulum.

Nouns that end in -i are the plural form of the words that end in -us

(Colossus, Cactus...)

PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 1:16 pm
enaxor
SevenSonicStructures wrote:
Tanmansmom wrote:

Has that part about "elements found beyond Earth's heavens" always been there? And if it hasn't, is it again pointing to the resource table as the next clue?


Yes, it has: http://alienseries.blogspot.com/2012/03/weyland-industries-timeline.html
I've been using this blog as a quick text reference for the timeline, and it hasn't been edited since it was first posted a week ago, but it says the exact same thing:


The timeline was also posted by Guestuser17 earlier in this very thread.

PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 1:15 pm
Jane Smith
SevenSonicStructures wrote:
Tanmansmom wrote:

Has that part about "elements found beyond Earth's heavens" always been there? And if it hasn't, is it again pointing to the resource table as the next clue?


Yes, it has: http://alienseries.blogspot.com/2012/03/weyland-industries-timeline.html
I've been using this blog as a quick text reference for the timeline, and it hasn't been edited since it was first posted a week ago, but it says the exact same thing:

Quote:
JUNE 1, 2022 - CURE FOR THE COMMON CANCER
Scientists from the Health Division identify the genetic chain of events for 98% of cancers. Using genetically-altered cells as well as elements found beyond Earth's heavens, Weyland successfully deploys an effective cure for almost all cancers.


Also earlier I pointed out some similarities with Lovecraft's The Case of Charles Dexter Ward in the use of alchemy to extend life or even reincarnate in another body, which adds up to what Quaker pointed out, Frankenstein The Modern Prometheus and brain restart, but what about the Sumerians?

http://www.gatewaystobabylon.com/religion/eternal.htm

Quote:
Adapa, in his first brilliant article on Sumerian religion (the series of his essays also in this site as Adapa´s Treatise on Sumerian Religion) says that reincarnation is a concept suitable for the Mesopotamians because it was so real and explicit that it was not worth reporting the striking obvious. The Mesopotamians, he adds, took painstaking notes of the coming of the sunrise and sunset every day, the return of the seasons, the planets and the stars, always revolving and returning to charted points in the skies. Thus, they did believe that everything was cyclic, and probably considered life and death as such as well.


Apparently they were so "advanced" that reincarnation was pretty much a given for them.


And all of this creation.. star rotation....reincarnation..can be linked to Nibiru ....


Gosh'dammit Seven..stop posting more stuff for me to go crazier about.. Razz now if you will excuse me I am going to watch showgirls or wipeout so I can reduce the swelling in my brain and get these firings down to a reasonable level

<3 Jane

PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 1:08 pm
Tanmansmom
Quote:
Tanmansmom wrote:

Has that part about "elements found beyond Earth's heavens" always been there? And if it hasn't, is it again pointing to the resource table as the next clue?


Yes, it has: http://alienseries.blogspot.com/2012/03/weyland-industries-timeline.html
I've been using this blog as a quick text reference for the timeline, and it hasn't been edited since it was first posted a week ago, but it says the exact same thing:

Quote:
JUNE 1, 2022 - CURE FOR THE COMMON CANCER
Scientists from the Health Division identify the genetic chain of events for 98% of cancers. Using genetically-altered cells as well as elements found beyond Earth's heavens, Weyland successfully deploys an effective cure for almost all cancers.


Thanks!

PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 1:02 pm
SevenSonicStructures
Tanmansmom wrote:

Has that part about "elements found beyond Earth's heavens" always been there? And if it hasn't, is it again pointing to the resource table as the next clue?


Yes, it has: http://alienseries.blogspot.com/2012/03/weyland-industries-timeline.html
I've been using this blog as a quick text reference for the timeline, and it hasn't been edited since it was first posted a week ago, but it says the exact same thing:

Quote:
JUNE 1, 2022 - CURE FOR THE COMMON CANCER
Scientists from the Health Division identify the genetic chain of events for 98% of cancers. Using genetically-altered cells as well as elements found beyond Earth's heavens, Weyland successfully deploys an effective cure for almost all cancers.


Also earlier I pointed out some similarities with Lovecraft's The Case of Charles Dexter Ward in the use of alchemy to extend life or even reincarnate in another body, which adds up to what Quaker pointed out, Frankenstein The Modern Prometheus and brain restart, but what about the Sumerians?

http://www.gatewaystobabylon.com/religion/eternal.htm

Quote:
Adapa, in his first brilliant article on Sumerian religion (the series of his essays also in this site as Adapa´s Treatise on Sumerian Religion) says that reincarnation is a concept suitable for the Mesopotamians because it was so real and explicit that it was not worth reporting the striking obvious. The Mesopotamians, he adds, took painstaking notes of the coming of the sunrise and sunset every day, the return of the seasons, the planets and the stars, always revolving and returning to charted points in the skies. Thus, they did believe that everything was cyclic, and probably considered life and death as such as well.


Apparently they were so "advanced" that reincarnation was pretty much a given for them.

PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 12:57 pm
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