[powereddie]

darkeyedone13 wrote:

powereddie wrote: *Here´s the thing: Yttrium (Y, 39) is also considered to be a rare earth and is mentioned separately in the resource list. And the same goes for the element (Sc, 21) Scandium. I think I'm going insane, but I can't find Scandium on the resource list... Here's the list of Rare Earth Metals for reference: Cerium – 58 – Ce Dysprosium – 66 – Dy Erbium – 68 – Er Europium – 63 – Eu Gadolinium – 64 – Gd Holmium – 67 – Ho Lanthanum – 57 – La Lutetium – 71 – Lu Neodymium – 60 – Nd Praseodymium – 59 – Pr Promethium – 61 – Pm Samarium – 62 – Sm Scandium – 21 – Sc Terbium – 65 – Tb Thulium – 69 – Tm Ytterbium – 70 – Yb Yttrium – 39 – Y Rare Earths is listed as 345 with the symbol Zx on the Weyland site.

Sc (Scandium) is also a rare earth, but is not in the resource list, sorry for the confusion...

[powereddie]

SevenSonicStructures wrote:

x + y + 21 + 39 = 345 x + y = 345 - 21 - 39 x + y = 285 x = 285 - y Then... Forget it, I'm too rusty with math. The only interesting thing I found was that Water (in the resources tab) has the same chemical symbol as Holmium (Ho) which is a Rare Earth, but in the tab it says its atomic number or whatever that part is (since doesn't say) it's 000. The real atomic number of Holmium is 67, so maybe that could be used in the equation to figure out which one is the other secret element?

What I meant is that you need the 17 integers (21, 39, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71) to find the combination that leads to the sum of 345. With the addition of 21 and 39, maybe there are other possibilities than 67+68+69+70+71 using only from 57 to 71. I also noticed the Ho,... and since Holmium and Yttrium are the only real rare earths mentioned on the resource list, that could mean that these are the ones you select from the rare earths to find the secret: "Ho, Y" or "3 9 6 7", (combination of the symbols, letters, atomic numbers, or plain scrambled numbers).

[darkeyedone13]

powereddie wrote:

*Here´s the thing: Yttrium (Y, 39) is also considered to be a rare earth and is mentioned separately in the resource list. And the same goes for the element (Sc, 21) Scandium.

I think I'm going insane, but I can't find Scandium on the resource list...

Here's the list of Rare Earth Metals for reference:
Cerium – 58 – Ce
Dysprosium – 66 – Dy
Erbium – 68 – Er
Europium – 63 – Eu
Gadolinium – 64 – Gd
Holmium – 67 – Ho
Lanthanum – 57 – La
Lutetium – 71 – Lu
Neodymium – 60 – Nd
Praseodymium – 59 – Pr
Promethium – 61 – Pm
Samarium – 62 – Sm
Scandium – 21 – Sc
Terbium – 65 – Tb
Thulium – 69 – Tm
Ytterbium – 70 – Yb
Yttrium – 39 – Y

Rare Earths is listed as 345 with the symbol Zx on the Weyland site.

[FilmEdge]

CapnZ wrote:

Trout if need be, is it possible that the SJ ship in Prometheus makes it off the planet then crashes into the planet from Alien?

I don't think we can rule it out yet, based on the evidence we have. Though it does appear that the SJ ship comes back down — perhaps rather hard — on the moon in question here. Then again, trailer editing can be SOOOOO misleading, often deliberately so.

[FilmEdge]

Btw, the alchemy angle is very interesting, though I know next to nothing on the subject.

But from the WI Timeline, we certainly can deduce that Peter and his techs are making the most of future chemical/mineral discoveries and uses. Presumably, like today with our high-tech demands for natural (rare) resources, once WI makes these medical & technical discoveries, demand would then drive the company to seek more of these resources than exist here on Earth.

I'm not entirely convinced this is alchemy in the strict sense of the word, but perhaps more likely the next step in "plundering rain forests for resources" to make medicine or mining for high-tech metals — only looking beyond Earth to resource-rich asteroids, moons and planets. Peter Weyland may not be turning lead into gold (or water into wine), but he's certainly turning raw materials into cancer-killing meds, bio-research and tech creation that fulfills his dreams to find ... whatever... among the stars.

And presuming this is a common developmental trait in advanced species, we won't be the only ones out there plundering resources. Though Peter's goals may ultimately be loftier than mining the galaxy, such base realities may well lead us to a dangerous discovery... or competitor.

[CapnZ]

Trout if need be, is it possible that the SJ ship in Prometheus makes it off the planet then crashes into the planet from Alien?

[SevenSonicStructures]

x + y + 21 + 39 = 345
x + y = 345 - 21 - 39
x + y = 285
x = 285 - y


Then... Forget it, I'm too rusty with math. The only interesting thing I found was that Water (in the resources tab) has the same chemical symbol as Holmium (Ho) which is a Rare Earth, but in the tab it says its atomic number or whatever that part is (since doesn't say) it's 000. The real atomic number of Holmium is 67, so maybe that could be used in the equation to figure out which one is the other secret element?

[powereddie]

I think I know what the rest of the clues are... Traditionaly "X" marks the spot,... so maybe the x´es in Ax (Adamantine), Zx (Rare Earths) and Tx (Tridium) are the place to crack our brains into. Following this logic I started to see what can I make of the Rare Elements info. I found the following: the combined atomic number is 345, which is the ONLY sum you arrive at if you add the last 5 rare elements: 67+68+69+70+71. I tried to access using the symbols of said elements. It could be a combination of the atomic numbers or symbols, but the permutations are too many, I tried a few.

*Here´s the thing: Yttrium (Y, 39) is also considered to be a rare earth and is mentioned separately in the resource list. And the same goes for the element (Sc, 21) Scandium.

So, if whoever is making the puzzles is not that lazy (assuming this is the right solution) and is doing it the right way, then the atomic numbers to be used to reach the sum 345 should be from 57 to 71, plus 21 (Scandium) and 39 (Yttrium). 17 integers to try and find a combination that leads to 345.... and then maybe those integers can tell us which elements or combinations to use in PP

I tried to use the Solver add-in from Excel, but somehow I cannot make it work...

Can someone check this? What do you think?

[SevenSonicStructures]

Re: LV-426

[FilmEdge]

Re: LV-426

[darkeyedone13]

index wrote:

FilmEdge wrote: As many pointed out before and after my comments: Peter is acting as a benefactor to humanity, but is probably doing so as a by-product of his own personal, selfish motives. My own pet theory is that everything needed to comprehend Weyland's motives can be found in the materials index on the Investor's page: Eitr, Lead, most conspicuously, Carmot, these are all identified historically as properties utilized in Alchemy. Alchemy is not a social endeavor; its about as personal as personal gets. I think all the achievements in the Timeline are trickle-down by-products. Weyland is after Immortality, the ultimate manifestation of Greatness, which he himself states he's stop at nothing to achieve in the TED speech.

Someone else has probably already mentioned this... But Tantalum is named for Tantalus... Who was punished eternally in Tartarus alongside Prometheus. (His punishment was to stand by a fruit tree and lake and always thirst and hunger, because whenever he reached for fruit or water, the branches and lake would recede, being forever out of reach. He is actually where we get the word "tantalize" from. He was also the source of the curse on the House of Atreides.)
The connection to Tartarus and thus Prometheus stands out to me.
Also... on the alchemy theory... Orichalcum is a metal mentioned in relation to Atlantis...

[BitGamer]

JustThinking wrote:

Is Alchemy about as scientific as Astrology though? Would a real scientist have any interest in it?

Yeah, alchemy is the basis of scientific chemistry. Consider it like basic laboratory chemistry, mixed with spiritual/magical/religious principles. The study of alchemy did further the understanding of gunpowder and distillation, and develop a basic "periodic table."

For example, everybody knows one of the goals of alchemy was to turn lead into gold. Now, alchemists certainly used devices that a modern chemist would recognize (burners, vials, distillation equipment and such), but they believed that scientific achievements could be reached by employing magic, for lack of a better term. Well, today, conceivably, one could create gold through atomic manipulation - actually shaping or forming gold atoms from the appropriate constituent parts. But you'd need something like a particle accelerator or nuclear reactor to break down atoms. You know, equipment that could only be built/maintained by extraordinarily wealthy organizations. Like a government. Or a multi-national corporation.

[JustThinking]

index wrote:

FilmEdge wrote: As many pointed out before and after my comments: Peter is acting as a benefactor to humanity, but is probably doing so as a by-product of his own personal, selfish motives. My own pet theory is that everything needed to comprehend Weyland's motives can be found in the materials index on the Investor's page: Eitr, Lead, most conspicuously, Carmot, these are all identified historically as properties utilized in Alchemy. Alchemy is not a social endeavor; its about as personal as personal gets. I think all the achievements in the Timeline are trickle-down by-products. Weyland is after Immortality, the ultimate manifestation of Greatness, which he himself states he's stop at nothing to achieve in the TED speech.

Is Alchemy about as scientific as Astrology though? Would a real scientist have any interest in it?

[SevenSonicStructures]

Re: LV-426

[FilmEdge]

Re: LV-426