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lirath
Gracesmom chat
Hadn't seen the Denver folks on AIM for a bit. Had a nice chat with Sharon this morning. I mentioned the bunch of individuals vs. team approach to this. She also seems to want to push non-US involvement - both good things.

lirath (8:53:38 AM): good morning! How are you getting along?
gracesmominnh (8:55:39 AM): Hi! sorry I was on the phone
lirath (8:56:04 AM): It's a pretty day here but I'm home with the flu - which keeps me from driving 2 hours each way to a meeting
lirath (8:56:14 AM): so maybe it's a good thing
gracesmominnh (8:56:32 AM): we are holding out here at Camp Hampster, as Uncle Frank is calling it now, lol
lirath (8:56:35 AM): heh
gracesmominnh (8:56:45 AM): sorry to hear you are sick!
gracesmominnh (8:56:52 AM): drink lots of liquids
gracesmominnh (8:57:03 AM): and yay for saving gas
lirath (8:57:01 AM): no big deal and yep - already doing that
gracesmominnh (8:57:19 AM): what else is going on in your area?
lirath (8:57:23 AM): believe me - I may have to take out a 2nd mortgage to pay for gas!
gracesmominnh (8:57:30 AM): are people getting concerned?
lirath (8:57:35 AM): Most definitely
lirath (8:57:51 AM): Traffic at the Ambassador Bridge is getting nasty
lirath (8:57:59 AM): (US/CAN)
gracesmominnh (8:58:22 AM): you are near the border?
lirath (8:58:32 AM): Also, I hear whispers that there's a management/labor showdown afoot with the auto mfrs
lirath (8:58:49 AM): yeah - Detroit - right across from Windsor
gracesmominnh (8:59:05 AM): oh man that could be a real firestorm
lirath (8:59:13 AM): well, since we're all about cars...
gracesmominnh (8:59:17 AM): yeah
lirath (8:59:21 AM): it could get really ugly
gracesmominnh (8:59:29 AM): I hope you can report on that for us
lirath (8:59:32 AM): absolutely
gracesmominnh (8:59:37 AM): keep everyone in the know
lirath (9:00:03 AM): I thnk Copystar is looking to do something about the bridge traffic.
gracesmominnh (9:00:11 AM): as things get worse, we're gonna need to hear from people about their areas because I doubt the news will cover it
lirath (9:00:13 AM): We've been working this together
gracesmominnh (9:00:21 AM): awesome
gracesmominnh (9:00:29 AM): I hope more people work together
lirath (9:00:37 AM): well, it's going to be necessary
gracesmominnh (9:00:56 AM): absolutely
lirath (9:01:01 AM): I see the reports from a bunch of individuals but I'm not getting a sense of a team approach
gracesmominnh (9:01:12 AM): its still early
lirath (9:01:10 AM): we need to push that
gracesmominnh (9:01:29 AM): people aren't sure what to do yet, but hopefully they will figure it out
gracesmominnh (9:02:00 AM): and we will help whenever possible
lirath (9:02:03 AM): I think Rumpletoe's map of people's locations would be a good thing to really advertise since it lets us know who's in our area
gracesmominnh (9:02:25 AM): where is that map? has he submitted it to the website?
lirath (9:02:39 AM): just a sec and I'll tell you..lemme look...
lirath (9:03:00 AM): http://www.wayfaring.com/maps/show/36169
lirath (9:03:19 AM): He's mentioned it in his blog earlier, but not sure it's been submitted
lirath (9:03:52 AM): We've added you folks as waypoints - and the Denver Airport
gracesmominnh (9:03:57 AM): thats awesome
gracesmominnh (9:04:13 AM): please, if you talk to him before I do, ask him to submit that post
gracesmominnh (9:04:20 AM): or maybe do a new post with it
gracesmominnh (9:04:27 AM): whatever he thinks is best, heh
lirath (9:04:38 AM): will do
gracesmominnh (9:05:05 AM): thats cool that there are international peeps on it
lirath (9:05:33 AM): yeah - even in W Australia!
gracesmominnh (9:05:48 AM): we set it up for the US because thats where we are all based, but we need to think globally and we want everyone to participate
lirath (9:05:52 AM): anyway, a much fuller map would be good
lirath (9:06:19 AM): absolutely! There seems to be significant interest in the UK too
gracesmominnh (9:07:15 AM): I hope it grows
lirath (9:07:34 AM): I certainly think it will - as things get more challenging
lirath (9:08:06 AM): Michigan's economy has struggled really badly lately - this is sure not going to help
gracesmominnh (9:08:36 AM): the car companies need to change the way they work
gracesmominnh (9:08:48 AM): peeps have been saying that for years and they are slow to respond
lirath (9:08:59 AM): when you're a 100 year-old business, change comes with difficulty
gracesmominnh (9:09:05 AM): if this crisis doesnt make them do it I think they are doomed
gracesmominnh (9:09:14 AM): did you see that post about the air car?
lirath (9:09:18 AM): yeah - that was cool!
gracesmominnh (9:09:29 AM): I want one!
lirath (9:09:27 AM): I'd never heard of that before
lirath (9:09:32 AM): me too!
gracesmominnh (9:09:44 AM): that would be so cool to putter around it
gracesmominnh (9:09:46 AM): in
lirath (9:09:52 AM): heh, they looked cool
lirath (9:10:21 AM): 'please put some air in my tires - and engine'
gracesmominnh (9:10:28 AM): heh
lirath (9:10:36 AM): yeah - I want one
gracesmominnh (9:10:58 AM): I thought the frenchfry cars were cool, but air is even better
lirath (9:11:03 AM): no doubt
lirath (9:11:15 AM): and it doesn't give you the munchies...
gracesmominnh (9:11:23 AM): hehe
gracesmominnh (9:12:05 AM): ok I gotta go, got some stuff to do before I head to work and I have to leave earlier because biking takes longer
lirath (9:12:08 AM): Well, I think things here are going to get worse before they get better, but there are some bright folks hereabouts, an in the end, I have hope
lirath (9:12:18 AM): k. nice chatting!
gracesmominnh (9:12:24 AM): keep the faith! we will get thru this
gracesmominnh (9:12:26 AM): bye
lirath (9:12:27 AM): seeya!
gracesmominnh went away at 9:12:39 AM.

PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 9:27 am
CaptainZ
oye! Shocked each day equals a week!? im not really diggin that but whatever. I didnt even notice that. hopefully my ignorance wasnt revealed in my blog posts... Sad

Guess i gotta keep that in mind from now on.

PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 1:17 am
ararejul
thanks jegger. kind of a let down though, i thought they were trying to be sneaky about some more nonplayer plot development.

and thanks xnera i really do love that watcher. it's the best place with everything all assembled for easy reading.



so yeah. doing a week per day? seems kind of insane to me but i've never played an arg before. i thought we'd actually be going at real time. Confused
I guess I just have to get used to it. I noticed that on the website it's marked with W1 and W2... this might get a bit crazy...

PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 11:58 pm
xnera
ararejul wrote:
sorry to double post but someone mentioned the podcast and i was just wondering if there is any way we could get that added to wwo-watcher.livejournal.com??


There's now a link to the podcast's feed from the wwo-watcher journal; however, it looks like LiveJournal doesn't know how to handle enclosure tags in XML feeds, as it's only posting text, and not the link to the actual MP3 file. I've emailed yuckymuck about this, so hopefully they can fix the feed so that a link to the MP3 will appear.

Also, since I was signed into the wwo-watcher account I've moved the Vox feeds into the Other Feeds view; since they haven't really been using Vox it seems silly to have a dedicated link for it on the wwo-watcher page. You can still access wwo-watcher's Vox "friends group" at http"://wwo-watcher.livejournal/friends/vox -- there's just not a link to this group in the layout.

Are there any other feeds from the WWO.org site available? Would be nice to have feeds for the latest stories, maybe. I looked for some but couldn't find any.

edit: Got a reply from yuckymuck re: the feed:

yuckymuck wrote:

xnera wrote:
When I look at the XML I do see the MP3's link embedded, so I'm wondering if it's just that my aggregator doesn't know how to handle the enclosure tag. Is there any way you could add a link in the text as well? Thanks!


I think you might be right about your aggregator. There's a lot of them that don't support the enclosure tag, and if they do, they often will, you know, make some noise about it, call themselves podcast aggregators
like iPodder and so on. A link in the text is a great idea, except we don't know what the link will be until after we publish the text Sad


Tomorrow I'll submit a suggestion to LJ to request support of the enclosure tag for XML feeds. Need to go to bed now, otherwise I'd submit it tonight.

PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 10:09 pm
jegger
WWO outage
It appears to be an OOG outage. I got an email from Yuckymuck with the logs, and it seems to be a plain vanilla DOS attack on their ISS server. I sent him a script that should help prevent it again, but as far as I can tell, this is not the rabbithole you're looking for.

PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 10:02 pm
Rekidk
ararejul wrote:
okay first off i'm confused. are we playing like we're already in the second week? Confused


Based on the 'summary' dates and the oil price chart we've been given so far, I'm guessing that they're going to do this with weeks (one game week per day) so that it's more realistic. A little suspension of disbelief so that the facts about oil can be more realistic. At least, that's what I think is happening so far. /spec

---

ararejul wrote:
If you believe in conspiracies, however, you KNOW that this was no accident.

now yuckymuck seemed to backup this hacker idea.


Waaaay back in--was it March? I dunno--I had a chat with mPathy. She kept getting booted off of AIM and stuff, and she thought she was being hacked. Maybe if the site went down for an IG reason, this is the same hacker back to take down 8tsoc? /spec

PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 8:41 pm
WolfHawk
professoryackle wrote:
Personally, I still think the yanks have got it easy. $4.25 for a gallon of petrol ('gas')? It's around twice that (i.e. £4) for a gallon of petrol in the UK, and has been for some time.


Warning: Immediately Ahead Another Stupid United Statesian Question - - - -
How are gallons measured in England? In Canada, the "gallon" of gas used to be roughly equivalent to 5 quarts in the US while a "gallon" of gas for us is 4 quarts. My anut and uncle lived near the Canadian border for a few years and my uncle would always drive into Canada to buy gas because it was essentially cheaper there in light of the 4 vs. 5 quart measures.


professoryackle wrote:
Will it be time for the UK government to get real?


At least the UK appears to have a plan in place; that's better than us.

PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 8:32 pm
ararejul
sorry to double post but someone mentioned the podcast and i was just wondering if there is any way we could get that added to wwo-watcher.livejournal.com??

PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 8:23 pm
ararejul
okay first off i'm confused. are we playing like we're already in the second week? Confused

secondly dessum put up this bit yesterday:

Seems the site was knocked offline earlier today. For some minutes. If you are a reasonable person you are thinking, "Oh, it's a server error because of course a whole lot of people are UPSET AS HECK about this crisis and logging on." If you believe in conspiracies, however, you KNOW that this was no accident. YM is on it, folks, we are kicking in the redundancies... we WILL stay online. Stay tuned, keep the faith.


now yuckymuck seemed to backup this hacker idea:

We've had some growing pains with the site, we found some cool people to help out, they have been working double shifts, really dedicated. Dess thought that outage we had a while back was some kind of conspiracy, you know, to knock us out, and I was 'yeah, right Dess, the aliens under my dog house told me that too' but now I have seen the logs, and I'm not so sure. That creepy Bulgarian lady pops into my head. What side is she on? If she's a baddie, I hope she drives a hummer.


I say that it's NOT a coincidence and I mentioned so in one of the posts to them. I saw that Rumpletoe asked for the logs. yay. I'm pretty useless when it comes to network stuff though but that's definitely something we should be looking at...

PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 8:20 pm
Stax
rose wrote:
Can we wait a little while to decide if it is a waste of time or not? I'm not trying to tell anyone what to do, but I think with all ARGs, you sortof have to basically decide to go with the premise and see where it takes you. I've always been taken somewhere I didn't expect, and I've always gotten impatient with what was happening in a game or a story at some point along the way.


I'm not sure I'll post much, but I don't really care about the scores in a game anyway. But I will follow along and add my attempts to do whatever stuff without oil I can think of doing.


Of course. For the record, I don't think it has been a waste of time to this point. It has been extremely educational experience for me thus far. Nevertheless, I have some concerns about the game, although I hopeful that I will be pleasantly surprised by the end result. I don't care about rankings either. I want to see collaboration, a value which is not necessarily reflected in individual scores. I have more fun working through issues here on the forum with other players rather than by generating content in what sometimes feels like a vacuum. Of course, that may just mean I need to alter my style of game play. In any case, your point is taken.

PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 7:45 pm
cissmiace
Ive never fully understood the whole 'our gas is too expensive' thing in America, but only because ours is so stupidly expensive nothing else seems to compare to it.
I mean, I know of some people here that actually drive accross the channel tunnel into Europe to fill up because its still cheaper.

I kinda feel a bit uncomfortable voicing my initial oppinions about this now Sad

PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 7:42 pm
copystar
professoryackle wrote:
Also, it seems that all of the locations are in the US, which is not the only country in the world.

Anyone else outside of America bothered by this apparent exclusion of other countries?


Having lived across the US border most my life, I've become used to such exclusion. In response you learn how to pass Wink Actually, I suspect that the limitation is the result of limited funding from institutions with national mandates.

That being said, your point on $4 oil is right on - although in the next 32 weeks, its possible that the prices will be made to rise to just under $8. What I'm curious is whether the netizens involved will be able to pace themselves accordingly. Will there are stories of riots breaking out next week? Then what?

PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 7:39 pm
wwoentropy
I've wondered about that as well. If I wanted to do a game, I'd want it available everywhere. I suppose I could start talking about how this project is being funded by and for U.S. companies … yada yada.

I don't think that's the truth though. I think the truth is that Americans (myself included) suck at geography.

We know our postal system well
Address
City
State
Zipcode

Given that, it's cake for us to have a frame of reference for where someone is in the US.

How does it work in other countries? Does Spain have the same system as the UK. What about South Africa?

I suppose we could just use long lat coordinates, but that feels kinda impersonal, doncha think?


<shrugs> It's just a guess.



professoryackle wrote:


I realise this is a bit of a side issue to the whole WWO thing, but it's bothering me. I can't get excited about people in the US getting mad about having to pay 4 dollars 25, even though it's bound to have a knock-on effect elsewhere.

Also, it seems that all of the locations are in the US, which is not the only country in the world.

Anyone else outside of America bothered by this apparent exclusion of other countries?

PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 7:32 pm
konamouse
Isn't the US the world's largest consumer of oil?

PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 7:15 pm
professoryackle
Personally, I still think the yanks have got it easy. $4.25 for a gallon of petrol ('gas')? It's around twice that (i.e. £4) for a gallon of petrol in the UK, and has been for some time. True, most of that is tax, which raises a whole other issue: If the oil shock hits us here, how can our Tone justify us paying such a high percentage into his coffers? Will it be time for the UK government to get real?

I realise this is a bit of a side issue to the whole WWO thing, but it's bothering me. I can't get excited about people in the US getting mad about having to pay 4 dollars 25, even though it's bound to have a knock-on effect elsewhere.

Also, it seems that all of the locations are in the US, which is not the only country in the world.

Anyone else outside of America bothered by this apparent exclusion of other countries?

PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 6:30 pm
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