[Sylvia]

this is how I replied to Petra. I hope it's ok, character interaction is not my area of expertise.

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Petra, Yes paranormal. I was also a skeptic once until something happened that made me a believer. No, I'm not friends with Philly. Never heard of him until now. That's why I was asking you. I thought you could help us find him or help us to get in touch with him. Because he might be able to tell us more about what happened that night. How did we get the matchbook? Like I told you, we were on a case and found it. I'm sorry that you really don't give a damn, but I wonder if Philly would feel that way about you. I hope not. I wouldn't want to be missing and no one gave a damn to even question where I might be or what might have happened to me or send help for me. It was very dark the night we were doing the investigation but we saw a man (who we now assume was Philly) walking up to the corner and light something with the matchbook. Then he doubled over as if he was in pain. Then an SUV pulled up and it was so dark we couldn't see what happened but Philly was gone after that. So either the people in the SUV were there to pick him up or they abducted him. You say this was not the first time he's disappeared. Would you please, if nothing else flatter us, help us by telling us everything you know about Philly and what he does and about his previous acts of drama. If you can't then could you put us in touch with someone who knows more about Philly and might be willing to help us. We really need to find Philly. He could be an important link in solving this mystery that we have found ourselves engulfed in. I'm really sorry to be a pest but you are the only link we have right now. Sincerely, Sylvia.

[Typoxic]

Petra is a Greek name. Presumably she is also Greek, or at least of Greek extraction. I don't know if that means we're being pointed toward Greece or if it's just a random detail.

Again, maybe it's because I haven't looked too hard at AC, but I'm not seeing the djinn connection. Where did that line of reasoning come from?

[mortality]

Here's my thought: right now we have a lot of stuff floating around. I'm having trouble keeping track of it all. The Whitechapel site is fine in so far as it goes for the stuff that we've verified. It's not so good for keeping tabs on all the speculative stuff we find. We're also specializing a lot more, focusing on the aspects of this that are most interesting to each of us as individuals.

Maybe it's time to request a Despoiler wiki? That way everything can be compiled and readily accessible in one place that we control.

Also, if anyone comes up with something they think is relevant and one of the characters might have insight, feel free to contact them yourselves. Just be sure to let us know what you find out. Until we meet a character that insists on talking to one of us, we can all interact to our heart's content; there's no monopoly. If you'd rather let someone else do the interaction, that's fine, too. Ask and someone will be happy to do it for you.

Jade wrote:

Hey there, Mort. Well, isn't that quite a little bit of something. Not sure why you shared it with me either; but I do dig a good mystery. Saw the comments to Brighton, sounds like he's trying to keep himself out of the limelight. Has he tried to get any info out of you guys? If not, then maybe he's doing what he says, just sharing information and trying to keep a low profile. Not that I'd know anything about that kind of thing, but I agree that, seen from one perspective, that guy could have been snatched. Not sure if you've ever seen anyone Tazed, but that would not be out of the realm of possibility for the dive that he takes on the video. That implies, though, that there was someone in a location that would allow them to zap the guy. He could just as easily have had backup, though. I don't go in for this hoodoo at all, but I do know that when I am doing something that I think might be risky, I like to have who can haul my ass out of trouble. Without any other evidence, this seems more likely. Man, pretty weird stuff all around. Just did a quick search on local news from the past week and there's no mention of anything that looks related to this. Have you guys put anything else together? Anyone talk to that Petra yet? If it's not too much trouble, let me know if you hear anything else on this. I'm intrigued. Jade

Sylvia, I didn't get that impression from Petra/Kelly's email she sent you. She certainly volunteered information willingly. And she only seemed passingly concerned about your identity.

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Hi Kuol, Haha, no I'm not interested in arabian archeology. You like the name Petra huh? Are you greek? P ----- Original Message ---- From: Kuol Evaisuus <kuolevaisuus> To: petra_c81SPLATyahoo.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 5:41:45 PM Subject: Hi! I spotted you on Yahoo! Profiles. I love the name Petra. Reminds me of city carved into a canyon in Jordan. Do you have an interest in Arabian archaeology? -Kuol

Well, I'm not going to say I'm Finnish, don't want her running my name through a translator and figuring out my identity. Kuolevaisuus isn't that great a pseudonym for Mortality. She asked if I'm Greek because her last name is Cristanos according to the email.

I think I'm going to imply that what I like about Arabian history and all those ancient sites is the lore associated with them. Ya know...Djinn?

[Typoxic]

The Enlil/Abel stuff is complicated, from what I've seen. There are different connotations. While Abel is seen as something like an innocent bystander, Enki and Enlil seem to have been active rivals. If this is accurate, Enlil is the bad guy from humanity's perspective.

[yellowcard]

mortality wrote:

Yellowcard, so do you think the "Duke of Manchester" has more relevance than just the fact that the 4th Duke of Manchester was the Grand Master of the first great lodge of Freemasons in England?

I don't really know if it does. However, I do know that we have looked all over those four pages of 0701 trying to fit them together but we have come up short. We need some new perspective. I ran across the Duke of Burgundy thing and thought that could be a fresh angle to take with our ARG.

A Google search search of "Montagu Whitechapel" has many hits, but I didn't find anything relevant. Someone else might look it over for clues, or perhaps Google something else.

[Sylvia]

reply from Petra

[Miso2kay1]

dashcat wrote:

Ok I didn't mention this earlier because once again i thought everyone knew. Djinn = genie Genie is the anglicised version of Djinn.

If a genie is a anglicized version of Djinn is it plausible that Djinn could be "demons" as well?

Edit:

-added crap-

This is just more speculation, but here:
http://altreligion.about.com/library/glossary/bldefdjinn.htm

It says that Djinn are fiery spirits....and in the Autumn country story the control of fire is mentioned. Briefly, but it is mentioned....and whoever was heating the iron needed something to heat it right? But nothing was ever visible except some matches...which I am pretty sure can not heat up metal that quickly, and enough to make it glow orange....so maybe whoever was doing this is a Djinn?

[mortality]

While a lot of people do know that, it doesn't hurt to make it explicit, dashcat.

Your speculation is as good as anyone's. I think we need more research and then some more direction from Ethan, BO, or Reality Now, to know which track this is following. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm having more and more trouble discarding irrelevant facts and connections.

I was totally fixated on that John Dee stuff, and now it looks like we're being pointed away from the Western lore. Maybe we are looking for where the different stuff converges.

I mean, Enlil is Babylonian, but he's considered by some to be part of the Cain and Abel story (Enkidu, his brother was supposedly Cain).

ETA: I emailed Jade the link and password to BO's site. Jade said he'd check it out and called spearmint a self-righteous jerk. My hunch is that while it's possible Jade is affiliated with Reality Now, it's unlikely. He doesn't seem evangelical enough about his skepticism to fit in with Spearmint's crowd. If he is affiliated with BO, no harm. If he's not affiliated with BO, then I think we'll get a fresh perspective, and still no harm.

Yellowcard, so do you think the "Duke of Manchester" has more relevance than just the fact that the 4th Duke of Manchester was the Grand Master of the first great lodge of Freemasons in England?

[dashcat]

Ok I didn't mention this earlier because once again i thought everyone knew.

Djinn = genie

Genie is the anglicised version of Djinn. There was a mention in someones post earlier that spirits could be called and contained in a circle or vessel....such as a lamp. Am I imagining that? Is this where the Arabian Nights meet the creation mythology? Are we looking for a lamp?

[yellowcard]

Got to go to bed. I just checked back w/ unFiction one last time, because, you know, I'm addicted to this stuff.

Going to bed this time... really.

[mortality]

I'll be awake for a bit longer if you want to join the IRC channel and chat.

ETA: fair enough. I should, too. Long day behind me.

[yellowcard]

mortality wrote:

What cube? Rand0m? Huh?

The endgame to Perplex City. Sorry. I left out that detail (and edited it so as not to confuse others). It's a good story; you should look it up.

So, eh... anyway, Montagu...

[mortality]

What cube? Rand0m? Huh?

I sent an email to Petra/Kelly. Created a Y! account using the surname I'd given Ethan (kuolevaisuus, not available anywhere else on the Internet as far as I know). Emailed her saying I spotted her on Y! Profiles. Her name reminded me of the site in Jordan. Does she like Arabian archaeology.

I hope it came off more like I'm some creepy e-dater than some creepy ARG person probing for information. No response yet.

I'm totally lost as to the plot. Up until now I haven't had a problem keeping track of details (plenty of problems solving puzzles, but that's another story). But I'm getting kind of lost. Too many characters fond of their anonynomity.

Anyone else notice that BrightonEarly used the plural "we"? And he wasn't referring to us, he was referring to his own associates. At least that confirms that BO is part of a group.

BO hasn't replied to my two latest comments on the wordpress site yet.

And I decided to stir the pot with Spearmint some more. (Yeah, spearmint has me nailed, dead to rights. I'm so transparent. Like an open book. Written in Finnish...don't ask.)

ETA: Jade also hasn't replied.

[yellowcard]

A thought about MSG4 while exploring another page on the unForums...

By the way, if you haven't read the thread that rand0m started to explain how he found the cube stolen from Perplex City, it's worth an hour out of your life to read. I've already navigated away from the page, but you can find it with a search for "random" and "cube" on this website.

Anywho, this query from one of the players who nearly beat rand0m to the cube location got my attention:

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Sadly we got to the right spot the day after Rand0m having wasted too much time in Fineshade. We eventually concluded that the amino acid clue was giving us FEARLESS and GOOD which are the names of 2 of the Dukes of Burgundy (between 2 BOLDS). Since Wakerley is the Wood known for its Duke of Burgundy butterflies, we refocussed our search for quadrupeds to there, but alas too late!

Fearless and Good were the descriptors given to two of the Dukes of Burgundy. Hey! We have a "Duke of Manchester" just begging to be solved! If you go to Wikipedia you will find that all of the dukes are named Montagu. Is this significant? Who knows, but maybe this is a fresh angle that will get us on the right track.

edited for clarity

[Miso2kay1]

yellowcard wrote:

The only other possibility (that I can think of) is that Jade is a part of the occult group doing the rituals, but I'm having a hard time convincing myself of that.

If Jade is the same Jade from the Autumn Country stories....that isn't at all likely, but who knows?