[danteIL]

While we're all brainstorming

This may or not be a Yahoo mail thing, but when I view source on the message from RK, it looks like this:

Code:

<span>A Buddhist cries, while Duke Ellington is on the side  of the river.<span>  Yester</span>day, 1,365 lost innocence.</span>

If this is genuine, it might be further evidence that "Yester" is a separate unit from "day".

Furthermore, it looks like "day, 1, 365" could be a meaningful unit -- as in 365 days in a year??

[celina63]

In the name of 'brainstorming', I found the following reference in relation to "crying Buddhists" - they seem to cry alot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsara_(Buddhism)

Quote:

"Samsāra, the Sanskrit and Pāli term for "continuous movement" or "continuous flowing" refers in Buddhism to the concept of a cycle of birth (jāti) and consequent decay and death (jarāmarana), in which all beings in the universe participate and which can only be escaped through enlightenment. Samsāra is associated with suffering and is generally considered the antithesis of nirvāna or nibbāna."

If we assume "loss of innocence" to be equivalent to "enlightenment", this makes some sense. However, I see nothing to tie this in with Duke Ellington...

[Sylvia]

speaking of brainstorming, can we make something out of this:

A Buddhist cries | Yesterday
while Duke Ellington is | 1, 365
on the side of the river | lost innocence

OR

A Buddhist cries | Yesterday
while Duke Ellington is | 1
on the side of the river | 365 lost innocence

For maybe something like these:

Chants| May 17
Edward ?? | 1900 or 1901
Bank | ??????? Adult

The way I got the 1900/1901 is by assuming the 1 is for 1-year-old and 1,365 is for 2-year-old. Since Duke Ellington was born April 29, 1899 he would have been 1-year-old May 17, 1900 and 2-years-old May 17, 1901.

On May 17, 1901 - The stock market crashes for the first time. This is also the 6th worst crash.

Chants| May 17
Edward ?? | one year lost
Bank / Shore | not knowing / no sense / ignorance / ignorant


Chants / Ohm /rants | May 17
Nobel ?? | one year lost
Bank / Shore | not knowing / no sense / ignorance / ignorant

[konamouse]

the beauty of the ARG community - most solves in a game like this (with PMs who are sometimes thinking outside the box) require intuitive leaps of logic.

we need that kind of thinking. never apologize for brainstorming.

[enaxor]

catherwood wrote:

Well, thank you for that vote of confidence, but i'm afraid logic also told me that COAL (in order, on a diagonal) was a better answer than LAND (out of order) on the last puzzle, so obviously I do not think the way the PMs do.

I agree COAL made sense too, but LAND whether out of order or not, was obtained by using the letters in the fourth position. RK was hitting us over the head with fours in his blog. The posting date was changed to 04/04/04 @ 4:44. I just took the hint and ran with it.

[catherwood]

alexbutterfield wrote:

Pretty impressed with Catherwood's logic. {snip} I think Catherwood has emailed the solve to RK, so I guess we'll see. fingers crossed. In the meantime I guess I'll keep thinking.

Well, thank you for that vote of confidence, but i'm afraid logic also told me that COAL (in order, on a diagonal) was a better answer than LAND (out of order) on the last puzzle, so obviously I do not think the way the PMs do.

And no, I have not emailed anything. I'm notorious for avoiding direct character interaction. I lurk and pitch in on occasional puzzles, but I am not following the story in this ARG. Feel free to take my suggestions and run with them. (It's possible someone in chat last night did try YSER but I cannot be certain.)

p.s., I do not capitalize my nick, it's lowercase 'c' please.

[Andh]

Hi everyone

konamouse wrote:

A Buddist cries - Thelonius Monk?

mousekinn wrote:

FWIW, there's also a Riverside Records company, and Ellington himself wrote a Suite called "The River".

I don't know if you've already noticed this, but I found this album (Riverside LP - Thelonious Monk plays Duke Ellington):
http://www.amazon.com/Plays-Duke-Ellington-Thelonious-Monk/dp/B000000Y1B

[konamouse]

memehunter - i like your thinking.
if the statue has tears then i'm going to agree with this direction of thinking.

regarding the video - the scuba gear caught my eye first thing - any regular diver brings his/her own equipment! so it's another clue that there was NO accident in Belize.

the desk area WAS a mess. some scientists are slobs (i worked with an immunology researcher like that - couldn't find anything on his desk) but some are very meticulous (obsessive about order).

why didn't Nate open the computer or look at the lab book?

why did he put the camera down where he did for so long and then just turn it off? what was that chart behind the computer?

[memehunter]

more Buddhism, emails

[memehunter]

Buddhists... link between emails?

[Wireless]

Proof the Dr's death wasn't an accident.

[alexbutterfield]

Pretty impressed with Catherwood's logic. Very inclusive of the whole riddle and I hope it's the right solve.

I do have some reservations though...

I'm not sure that "A Buddhist cries, while Duke Ellington" can be read as ABCDE. If "cries" was capitalised to "Cries" (or even another proper noun was used for "C") then fair enough but as it wasn't, it makes me doubt it a bit. And although ABCDE is definitely in there it seems a bit forced to ignore "while". If ABCDE was the PMs intention they could have omitted "while" with little difference to the riddle.

And I agree with Catherwood's reservations about YSRE being out of order - if they wanted YSER they could have just used the date 1356 instead of 1365.

however LAND was out of order, as ANDL, and YSER is a river which is in the riddle - and there was a WWI battle of the YSER which could be seen as "lost innocence".

I think Catherwood has emailed the solve to RK, so I guess we'll see. fingers crossed. In the meantime I guess I'll keep thinking.

[catherwood]

what stands out for me are the starting letters:
A Buddhist Cries, while Duke Ellington
is on the side of the river.
It's just saying ABCDE... to me. Then the numbers make me think of indexing:

Code:

yesterday 123456789 1365 YSRE

Oh well. At first glance, I saw that as:
on the side of the river Yser, lost innocence
but typing it out i see YSRE isn't exactly correct -- but then, LAND wasn't presented in order either.

My solution right now would just be "Yser", the lost innocence being the Battle which occured there.

[Rogi Ocnorb]

Agreed about the heads asploding.
It it were Wei-Hwa, I'd expect all the blogs and such to be Google properties, though.
It does seem to have a Shinteki/BANG/The Game kinda feel about it, though.

ETA: Did we ever fully complete the paper crane puzzle? The blog entry about it would suggest that we didn't, as there's no "solve" posted.

"TOP 77"
(A)Alpha
(Ω)Omega
???

[Avandas]

Rogi Ocnorb wrote:

Duke Ellington Lived on Riverside Drive in New York @ W. 106th St., which was later renamed "Duke Ellington Boulevard".

Were talking about this in IRC actually, there's a statue of Shinran Shonin near that street corner. He founded a sect of Buddhism in Japan. The statue came from Hiroshima, having survived the atomic bomb that destroyed the city. The church the statue is in front of held an event in honor or Shinran's b-day, as well as the Buddhist holiday Magha Puja today.