ARG: DaemonWorks-Responses

[Puzzle] the coordinates puzzle

Daedalus-XIII@forums.unfiction.com — Tue, 28 Jun 2005 07:26:30 +0000

As far as I remember, this solve was for one of the equations, namely the one which was used in the flash.
There were more, if I remember right, that were never solved or connected to the particular flash-file

[Puzzle] the coordinates puzzle

Daedalus-XIII@forums.unfiction.com — Tue, 21 Jun 2005 17:41:37 +0000

ah. I see. ^_^; yet... I still have one question. Why are we given 10 circles? I can't find a single construction of a pentagon/pentagram that requires 10 circles. I know that technically the puzzle's been solved... but... ^_^;;;

Edit: Nevermind. it works. I'm an airhead and I had to map it out myself just to be sure. ^_^; still doesn't explain to me a few other things but hey ^_^ I should quit while I'm ahead.

...I need to get my hands on mathmatica.

[Puzzle] the coordinates puzzle

Daedalus-XIII@forums.unfiction.com — Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:50:05 +0000

wow - I can't believe I didn't put the solve on that page. It was one of those things that we were working on, and solved in the midst of another puzzle and because it ended what we were currently working on - we just kinda stopped updating for the time being.

anyway, I believe the solution was found by Daedalus (with help from vidstudent and JoeUser). We were given hints by viz on the hint2.png.

...that bottom right looks like computer code with tx and ty in it; I'm guessing that's for the curve slopes we've been seeing.

I don't think they're slopes, but positions that vary with s.

The code is Flash stuff, which I haven't used, but here's what I figure:

duplicateMovieClip(circle1,"nc0",this.getNextHighestDepth())

This creates a copy of the movie called circle1, names the copy nc0 and places it at the front of the screen.

nc0.x = tx;
nco.y = ty;

places the movie at coordinates tx and ty (defined elsewhere).

All the subsequent calls are creating circles around that central point (tx,ty).

You place a circle in the middle and add circles of the same diameter around it. That's the classical method for constructing a "pentagram".

Put "pentagram" in door-page, and you've solved the "obvious trail".

Sorry that this wasn't made clearer in the wiki. I guess I must go and fix that :D

[Puzzle] the coordinates puzzle

Daedalus-XIII@forums.unfiction.com — Tue, 21 Jun 2005 10:29:14 +0000

Oddly enough the coordinates puzzle is listed as solved on the wiki, but as far as I can tell it doesn't seem to have been solved. If it has I didn't find it after a lot of reading and searching.

regardless I've spent some time mulling it over.

I tried duplicating the flash program found in the Hint2.png file in Vis' folder. It's valid, but my computer gagged on the math. (BADLY) Aside from that: tx, ty, and s are undefined variables, so I had to fake them.

http://sf.sandwich.net/dw/test.fla

Eventually I gave up trying to make flash work and I went back to the wiki.

not quite coords but recipes & recipe algorithm parametric function polynomial expression its all the same doncha know

So I simply ripped all the point out as was and slapped them into excel. I knocked together a scatter plot and lo and behold: they look like points on a parametric function.

in fact I'm quite certain it's a specific parametric function because I have a hazy memory of being in a calculus class and flipping through the book and seeing a function that had a graph very much like this one would have. It has something to do with sin or cos getting exponentially larger or something... it's probably like "x, sin(y^x)" or something bizzare like that. my real problem is that I'm sure it's a specific formula. I just don't remember WHAT the formula is. The other problems are what do the numbers that each coordinate is associated with mean? (I put them on as labels for tracking purposes) and what about that one little point (38) down at the bottom that *doesn't* fit the rest of the function?

So I'm basically stuck for now and I thought I'd post this to let other people mull over this alternative. It would explain why the numbers are both irrational and given to us in so excessively long a form...

[UPDATE] will, energy, idea (keyword - diplomatic)

Nightmare Tony@forums.unfiction.com — Mon, 23 May 2005 06:14:33 +0000

not playing, but move the spaces since I made that mistake all the time, and simply ask the question, "what should she do?"

[UPDATE] will, energy, idea (keyword - diplomatic)

Nightmare Tony@forums.unfiction.com — Tue, 10 May 2005 22:29:33 +0000

Total and utter guess from the spacing.

"sh" the sound you make when you want someone to be quiet.

so she might want to not say anything.

[UPDATE] will, energy, idea (keyword - diplomatic)

Nightmare Tony@forums.unfiction.com — Mon, 09 May 2005 20:38:08 +0000

I find the spacing of that ROT text to be odd. It comes out as

What sh ould sh edo?

I don't know what the significance could be, though.

I've tried to find some kind of mythology involving rabbits, but all I've been able to find so far are the Centzon Totochtin - "the four hundred rabbits" - from Aztec mythology. They were gods of drunkeness.
Centzon Totochtin

Maybe they were having a party?

Edit: messed up link

[UPDATE] will, energy, idea (keyword - diplomatic)

Nightmare Tony@forums.unfiction.com — Sat, 07 May 2005 04:41:22 +0000

All that there is left to do is figure out what to say.

I know you were looking at alice in wonderland before...something I thought about it.

"The Looking Glass wars." might be a book to look at aswell. It was released sometime last year.

[UPDATE] will, energy, idea (keyword - diplomatic)

Nightmare Tony@forums.unfiction.com — Sat, 07 May 2005 04:08:36 +0000

There is the energy/communication page: http://www.simonsumeria.info/energy.php?keyword=communication

We are able to send Jill instructions through there. We might just have to tell her what to do and then wait for Simon to get that message to her.

[UPDATE] will, energy, idea (keyword - diplomatic)

Nightmare Tony@forums.unfiction.com — Sat, 07 May 2005 03:59:02 +0000

What e-mail addresses have we got at the moment for this...

I am thinking that we should actually try and submit answers to the question.

posible answers I could think of - not actually looking anything up or anything.

Escape, fight, run, chalange to a contest.

[UPDATE] 4/18

Shaded Spriter@forums.unfiction.com — Sat, 07 May 2005 03:49:41 +0000

WOO! I am a genius. ^_^

I am glad the fire alarm went off and I came here so early ^_^.

[UPDATE] 4/18

Shaded Spriter@forums.unfiction.com — Fri, 06 May 2005 20:14:00 +0000

Whoa, I can't believe we finally got that! Good call Shaded, and nice work Rowan! :D

OK, in the page source for idea->diplomatic is

15169721321617100100

applying the system from the other page, we get:
stay tuned

Yay!

[UPDATE] will, energy, idea (keyword - diplomatic)

Nightmare Tony@forums.unfiction.com — Fri, 06 May 2005 20:12:20 +0000

Found from that evil periodic table puzzle.

She was startled out of her reverie by a glimpse of something other than rock, in the distance. The path led ever onward, and vision seemed to fade out around it...yet, ahead of her appeared to be...a gathering.

Soon it was closer, she could see stone pillars and other objects.

Closer still--a throne?

Before she even knew it she was in the midst of the throng. Uncouth beasts capered and leered at her; huge rabbits grabbed her arms, holding her fast.

"Silence!quot; a voice cried out. A woman sat on the basalt throne; Jill shrank from her gaze. The woman wore an astonishing number of jewels and gems, her threadbare robes nearly hidden by the weight of the ornamentation. Her skin was pale, clammy, and her hair was stringy, but she bore a translucent beauty nonetheless.

"Another little mage come to walk the ancient path! path!" The rabbits pulled eagerly on Jill's arms, yanking her back and forth. "And why should we let you continue upon your merry way in our pleasant land, hm? What do you have to say for yourself, child?"

Comment in the source code: Alex wl syph wl ihs?
Rot-22: What should she do?

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All pleasure comes from interaction with others. Or does it?

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To keep things all together (thanks to JoeUser who saw this when I didn't):

15169721321617100100

Joe applied the system from the other page, getting:
stay tuned

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I've tried some things regarding Alice in Wonderland but haven't gotten any new keywords yet. I'll keep looking.

[UPDATE] 4/18

Shaded Spriter@forums.unfiction.com — Fri, 06 May 2005 20:00:53 +0000

You're a genius Shaded.

So I took the list that you provided and found where they were on Simon's table. I took those numbers and convered them to letters (A=0). I think I goofed up a bit because what I got wasn't quite right.

Carbon - Iron - Copper - Zinc - Arsenic - Silver - Tin - Antimony - Gold - Mercury - Lead (the order they appear on the periodic table)

3 - 8 - 15 - 11 - 14 - 10 - 14 - 12 - 0 - 9 - 8 - 2 (the numbers on Simon's table for the above elements)

D - I - P - L - O - K - O - M - A - J - I - B (the letters)

However, I took a stab that some of my letters were right, and tried a keyword that worked: diplomatic

I'll figure out where I goofed up after I check out the new pages.

edit - I think I figured stuff out. It's a combination of me goofing, our list being slighty off and Simon goofing. First off, I can't count. That 2 should be a C since A = 0. That gives us D I P L O K O M A J I C. Second, there are 2 extra letters. If we drop zinc and arsenic, we are left with D I P L O M A J I C. Thirdly, on Simon's table, Gold has the number 9 (J), but right next to it Platinum has the number 19 (T) - so it's probably just a case of misaligning the numbers when he created the table. That gives us the correct keyword.

[UPDATE] 4/18

Shaded Spriter@forums.unfiction.com — Fri, 06 May 2005 18:05:22 +0000

I think this might be a clue to help us on the periodic table puzzle.

Some sites say it has been known since achient times and the

Often knowing what to add is not nearly as important as knowing what to throw away. Thus we can return to what the ancients knew.

This site has when elements were discovered.

http://education.jlab.org/qa/discover_ele.html

Antimony, Arsenic, Carbon, Copper, Gold, Iron, Lead, Mercury, Silver, Sulfur, Tin and Zinc.

According to the site have all been known since anchient times...I find it strange antimony is the first alphebetically - and it isn't a commonly known elemement...

After I get back from food I might start working on the table for these elements.