Flynn Lives-New

[OT] Tron related stuff

okayer88@forums.unfiction.com — Fri, 21 Apr 2017 10:26:32 +0000

Okay, I'm sick and tired of seeing new threads about unrelated Tron stuff popping up. I appreciate that we have many Tron fans here, and people get excited about this sort of thing, so here's a compromise.

Can we keep everything unrelated to Flynn Lives in this one thread? Pretty please?

TRON 3!!

Christien@forums.unfiction.com — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 16:19:16 +0000

http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2015/03/tron-3-filmed-vancouver-fall/

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ARG related websites

madopal@forums.unfiction.com — Sun, 19 Feb 2017 07:23:41 +0000

So, I have monitors set on most of the websites used for FL. A few months back, one expired, and I thought it was going to drift into oblivion. However, 42 seems to have renewed them.

So there's that at least. After the Disney Interactive layoffs, I'm not sure where the money is coming from, so if 42 is doing it for the love...kudos, guys. Keep the fire burning.

Happy Anniversary Legacy/FL

catherwood@forums.unfiction.com — Thu, 25 Feb 2016 20:12:49 +0000

Today marks the 1 year anniversary of the end of the ARG and the release of the movie, and there is still activity in these forums about Tron. I think that's a great statement about the Tron universe and how much the fans enjoy it.

Looking back, I'm not sure what I enjoyed more, the ARG or the movie.
Regardless, I'm really looking forward to Tron Uprising and Tron 3, and the fact that the universe is still going on.

If you're in a city with laser shows...

konamouse@forums.unfiction.com — Sun, 22 Nov 2015 16:27:20 +0000

For my sins I was sent to Boston for three weeks for some training for work. No offense to Bostonians, but this New Yorker suffered from it. That said, I found out that the Museum of Science had a series of planetarium laser shows. We too used to have them before our planetarium was remodeled- I dunno, guess the museum decided they were tired of people having fun on the cheap or something. Anyway, they had a Daft Punk show and a Pink Floyd show. I went to both for $8 each (normally $10 but if you get 2 tickets, you get a discount).

I'm not going to mislead you folks- The Wall was vastly better than the Daft Punk one. So if you're in the area and get the chance, definitely see it.

That said the Daft Punk one was fun, tho it mostly consisted of the random swirls and such as opposed to pictures. BUT when they did a song from the Tron:Legacy soundtrack, it had a Tron theme of falling into the digital landscape, lightcycle races, etc.

So I know it isn't much, but if you want a fun, inexpensive taste of Tron again and you have the chance to attend a Daft Punk laser show, I'd say go for it!

Can Users be killed on the Grid?

A Slender Editor@forums.unfiction.com — Thu, 03 Sep 2015 06:04:56 +0000

I am a member of an SF QnA forum, and someone recently asked whether or not a User could be killed on the Grid. Especially given the recent anniversary of the end of FL, I thought I'd share my response. Please chime in if you agree, disagree, want to point out something I've missed or misquoted. Here's hoping we can bring a touch more life back to these forums, eh?

Well, to an extent we need to distinguish which source we're looking at (and later, as an extra, the method of death):

1. (the original) Tron. Users are the gods to the people of the grid. There's no real indication that Users even can be killed. Flynn manages to perform a few tasks that are seemingly impossible for others to do. Flynn can be hurt, but killed? Maybe not. When others fall far enough from the grid, they end up derezzing. Flynn may well have fallen to the bottom, picked himself up and limped off. Again, remember that he was meant to be a god compared to the Grid world, and as such may well have been effectively immortal.

2. Tron 2.0 (Killer App): This is dealt with to an extent in the game, though my memory is a touch fuzzy on the matter. Two opposite examples spring to mind.

a) the compiled Tron Legacy Code shows that apparently that version of Tron (which was originally designed as a system security software) was designed to protect the system, but due to a glitch in the code, interpreted those orders as killing Users, presumably permanently.

b) the Datawraiths are company backed hackers. Instead of being directly digitized into the world, they sort-of take control of designed on-Grid puppets. Thus when the puppet's bodies are destroyed, the Hacker wakes up again in the main office.

Now, at one point Thorne is digitized, but the digitization algorithm is flawed, causing Thorne to become a virus in the system. Thorne certainly dies on the grid. However, he is arguably a flawed copy of a User on the system, and as such retains many of the powers of Users but with limitations not present with a perfectly digitized User- like being able to die.

Importantly, whether or not a User could be infected by such a virus is unanswered. However, it could set up a possibility where the Programs have a form of biological warfare capable of rendering a User mortal and thus killable.

3. Tron Legacy proof-of-concept trailer (a.k.a. TR2N trailer): I'm distinguishing this somewhat because the original trailer came out several years before the movie, and was really there just to see if there would be any interest in making such a creature as a sequel. Which, now that I think about it, is kind of funny considering it's Hollywood and they mostly make sequels these days. But I digress. We see what is arguably a User (and possibly a hacker) taken out by Clu. This is particularly noteworthy because of the lines:

User: You won, okay? It's just a game!

Clu: Not anymore.

Which is followed by what appears to be some sort of death blow, presumably to protect the Grid world from intrusion from the Users. One presumes that at this point, the idea was that knowledge of the Grid was a touch more widely known, and that the programs were rebelling against their creators because they were sick and tired of them dragging their trash into their nice clean Grid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvzrgLQpTJY

4. Tron: Legacy.

Tricky. There were some fundamental changes between the two movies. During the ARG before the movie, I calculated that Kevin Flynn had survived a conservative ~63 million subjective years in the Grid. Our conversations were being followed, and apparently nobody at Disney had actually bothered to do the math, so they scrambled to say that it had been about a thousand subjective years. So we know that there are differences in the original Grid and Flynn's Grid, and we can see that Flynn is clearly aging in the Grid, though as a slower rate. The end blast doesn't actually show Flynn dying, being derezzed, or anything. And, not to put too fine a point on it, the entire byline of the advertising campaign as "Flynn Lives" which seems to indicate that he never died originally and possibly didn't die at the end either. What exactly happened isn't really indicated, tho.

However, we know that Users can be hurt, as shown by the blood drops from Sam during the Sam/Rinzler fight. And to quote that old classic: if it can bleed, we can kill it. We know from the original Tron that Users can absolutely grow tired, though they can recharge either through system resources or simply by sleeping (note that in the original, we never see any of the programs sleep- any why should they? They're programs.) Sam can bleed. Flynn can age. So there does seem to be a hint that Users can now in actuality die in the Grid.

So, we have to examine the fundamental underpinning of why Users were so unique on the Grid. The digitization process allowed a material to be transformed into pure code. Still a program, but highly complex. We ignore the question of how a 1980's era mainframe would have the power to run a single program as complicated as a human being. So what was so special about the ISOs? How were they necessarily distinguished from Users?

This was examined in the prequel comic book miniseries tied in to the movie, Tron:Betrayal. Flynn created his Grid where Programs could be free to not feel compelled to forcibly follow their programming. But he began to see that what he imagined could never be- the programs were too simple, too limited. To use a programming analogy, a Hello World Program wouldn't be interested in expanding its capabilities, as it is only designed for one single purpose. To use a religious allegory, Flynn created the Garden, and found his creations to be flawed.

But around the Grid was an ocean of chaos. The raw firmament of unspecified information. Noise, randomness, excess energy. And out of it, spontaneously, evolved the ISOs. The ISOs, while being programs, had naturally evolved, and as such were naturally significantly more complex than the old Programs. The ISOs were meant to be the new Users of the Grid world. Like with us having DNA which is programming but which we can often overcome, the ISOs were unrestricted. While not explicitly stated in either the comic book or the movie, there is something of an implication that the ISOs are possibly superior to Man.

And the ISOs were all killed.

Which partially begs the question- what makes Flynn unique? Why could he do things that the ISOs couldn't do? Well, I think it may well have less to do with his code at that point, and more to do with his fundamental understanding of how the Grid actually functions. How and why does energy flow, what is code, and how can it be manipulated, etc. etc. etc. That is, if you don't want to look at it from the religious angle, which more or less would argue that Users have a unique spirit or soul which is transferred to the digital realm and makes them mightier. And considering how the stories have always been religious allegories, this may well be true.

So, Tron:Legacy does seem to indicate that at the very least Users can be violently killed, even if not quite explicitly stated. However, what about Flynn? Can Flynn, if we wait long enough, die of old age? What, exactly, is aging for a User on the Grid?

Well, the original Tron showed old programs as being programs which had been around for a great deal of time, but this never detracted from their capacity to fulfill their function (At least until that function had changed). Even the MCP is briefly shown to be an old man, and in the novelization is described as being incredibly old, and still using old-fashioned keyboards as his interface with the world (whereas you never otherwise see keyboards in the world) and in the movie you can actually hear the clacking of a mechanical keyboard as the MCP is dying.

So, can a program die of old age? We've yet to see evidence. And in the real world, software gets outdated, forgotten, abandoned- but it never stops being a program. It never erases itself after aging. The media it is stored on might, but the program itself doesn't. So I think that with that argument, a program would continue to grow older without actually dying. If this is the case, I would argue that at the very least the same can be said of Flynn.

5. Tron, the novelization

As memory serves, Flynn wonders this himself briefly, and decides that he really, really doesn't want to know the answer.

6. Tron Legacy ARG: this never came up.

Well, this answer turned out to be a touch longer than I anticipated.

Selling my Arcade Aid set of four pins

hasaanchop@forums.unfiction.com — Thu, 13 Aug 2015 01:38:17 +0000

Face Off, Punch Out, Tron guard and blue Light Cycle, with a bonus Space Paranoids pin. $40 to anyone here, $50 on eBay, posting that in a few minutes. Hope they sell, one place/wy or another. Need the $40/50 towards an SSD drive for my new PC build since my last one fried/died.

You can see the pic here:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/-/231650771236?

Please email me at dsonesheets at gmail.com, I don't want to have to check in here five times a day when I already check my email ten times a day.

Like the man said, there's no problems, only solutions.

BTW, why couldn't they play Only Solutions when Sam goes to the arcade? Why'd they pick the other Journey song? I was probably one of a handful of people that were disappointed, but man I was so hoping for it!

TRON Fik-Shun Teaser (full video release Friday)

deema@forums.unfiction.com — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 17:08:53 +0000

All lighting and fx were added by me. I also altered the song. Below is a link to the teaser and a link to the original video at the same point in the performance, to see the comparison..

Hope ya dig it.... Full video release on Friday

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvmHvrAfKiA

Skip to 116 to be at the same point in time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPogFewz_yQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPogFewz_yQ&t=1m11s

Should be YT link instructions somewhere out in the open. Couldnt' find. No more time to spend looking

[OT] Tron art created by members here

Clu Program@forums.unfiction.com — Thu, 09 Jul 2015 13:30:06 +0000

So I am newish here, but am an artist, and found out FSURobbie is as well, and figured there are probably more of us on here.

I did not see a topic for posting any tron/flynn lives related art, so I am starting one.

Here is a pic I did of Tron as a digital zombie to kick things off:

Hockey fans? Ben Bishop's TRON helmet

elziard@forums.unfiction.com — Sat, 30 May 2015 03:06:41 +0000

http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on-hockey/25079276/look-lightning-g-ben-bishops-new-goalie-mask-glows-in-the-dark

Catch it live next week in the Stanley Cup Finals

[MEDIA] Real Light Cycle can be yours for $50K

catherwood@forums.unfiction.com — Tue, 12 May 2015 17:27:59 +0000

42E Xmas Card...

Tharol@forums.unfiction.com — Tue, 31 Mar 2015 02:57:12 +0000

Just got a really nice Christmas card in the mail from 42E. Anyone else?

If anyone from 42E reads this, thank you so much! I hope you guys know how much what you did for us Tron fans means. It was an amazing time and was something very special not only for me, but for my young sons. A true gift. Those of us who were part of it will never forget... FLYNN LIVES!!

Jeff Bridges commercial, download his album free

TLSBill@forums.unfiction.com — Sun, 08 Feb 2015 04:44:04 +0000

Not exactly Tron, and it's a squarespace commercial but what the heck, it's Flynn! You can download tracks of him & music to help you sleep for free.

http://www.dreamingwithjeff.com/

Tron games on sale on Steam

Broklynite@forums.unfiction.com — Sun, 07 Dec 2014 05:20:26 +0000

Just a heads up, Steam's got a sale going on right now for Tron 2.0 (or, as it was known on release for the original XBOX, Tron 2.0: Killer App) and Tron Evolution. Tron 2.0 is $5 and Tron Evolution is $10.

I barely played Tron Evolution, finding it broken (which I think had more to do with it being designed for controller rather than a mouse and keyboard than anything) and gave up within minutes of playing it.

However, I LOVED LOVED LOVED Tron 2.0. It's really lovingly crafted by people who clearly loved and respected the original movie, and it does indeed include Bruce reprising his role as Alan Bradley. Is the game perfect? No. But it's still darned great. One thing that's really exciting is that Tron 2.0 was abandoned by Disney many years ago, and the community came forward to keep the game alive on more modern systems, including things like supporting higher resolutions, fixing glitches, and playing homebrew campaigns. With the re-release (or re-rezz) on Steam, Disney appears to have picked up the slack once more, and the game now is supported up to Windows 8.1. Whether that will still allow you to play the old mods, I don't know.

In any case, it's 5 bucks. If you enjoy FPSs, or want a take on an alternate path the Tron story could have taken, I think it's worth a try. Please post here if you've ever played the game, what you thought, or if you decide to give it another try!

New Tron Toys

SoCalSteve@forums.unfiction.com — Mon, 29 Sep 2014 22:07:21 +0000

Funko has produced a set of Sci-Fi figures. Each one randomly inserted in a box. I was able to locate TRON and GITD TRON on ebay for a rather reasonable price.