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Bruce, bold green
cabalagent23, bold red
cem, bold
KungeRutta, bold
Toenolla, bold darkred
varin, bold darkblue


Session Start: Thu Oct 05 01:30:37 2006
Session Ident:#ctw
[21:00] <pixie> countdown 30 mins
[21:15] <pixie> 15
[21:17] <Jas0n> wow
[21:17] <Jas0n> big room
[21:17] <Jas0n> so is this where everyone talks?
[21:17] <CloudSleeper> yup, hi guys
[21:17] <pixie> hey dave!
[21:18] <Sylvia> hi brit
[21:18] <@cabalagent23> hi pixie
 [21:18] <Jas0n> it's roger
[21:18] <@cabalagent23> and everyone else too
 [21:18] <Jas0n> you 2
[21:18] <Jas0n> :)
[21:18] <Jas0n> nice to meet you all
[21:18] <pixie> Jason did not play CTW but wants to lurk int he PM chat out of ARG interest
[21:19] <!Addlepated> the more, the merrier =)
 [21:19] * Jas0n gives addlepated a big hug and a wet willy
[21:19] <!Addlepated> score!
 [21:21] * pixie reminds addle she found the flogger
[21:21] <pixie> Who is missing player base wise?
[21:22] <Sylvia> shad0 is not here
[21:22] <pixie> and grumpy
[21:22] <pixie> sandra is afk
[21:22] <@cabalagent23> there are some UK and other overseas players missing too
 [21:23] <@cabalagent23> due to the time, im sure
 [21:23] <Sylvia> kona is not here
[21:23] * S[a]ndra is now known as Sandra
[21:23] <Rogi> Form the other group of players?
[21:23] <pixie> hey sandra
[21:23] <Sandra> Greetings, all. :)
[21:24] * v[a]rin is now known as varin
[21:26] <CK_> I'm grabbin dinner, but'll be here past that
[21:26] * pixie twitches
[21:26] <pixie> hey grumpy
[21:26] <grumpyboy> hi all
[21:26] <@cabalagent23> hi grumpy
 [21:27] <dashcat> Hi everyone
[21:28] <pixie> is it going to be modded tonight?
[21:28] <CK_> Hello all
[21:28] <dashcat> I hope ex shows up
[21:28] <pixie> was kona going to be able to make it?
[21:28] <!Addlepated> I don't think we're moderating
 [21:29] * pixie is now known as pixie[ctw_pm_chat]
[21:29] <@cabalagent23> i think maybe we can get through this without moderating, as long as everyone agrees to try and ask questions or make comments one at a time
 [21:30] <@cabalagent23> if its not working we can add a moderator at some point
 [21:30] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> nope. not gonna happen. i have to talk the same time as addle. just to annoy her.
[21:30] <CK_> hehe
[21:30] <@cabalagent23> lol
 [21:30] <!Addlepated> :P
 [21:30] * pixie[ctw_pm_chat] loves addle
[21:31] <CK_> Maybe if nothing else, decide who does what from smalldene then ask in here :P
[21:32] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> awww, i'll only go into smalldene if TP shows up
[21:32] <CK_> heh :P
[21:32] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> rungy, you okay?
[21:33] * CK_ nails KungeRutta to the floor, just in case :P
[21:33] <KungeRutta> yea I accidently clicked the little [X] next to the channel name
 [21:33] <KungeRutta> heh
 [21:33] <@Nos> Hee
[21:33] <!varin> lol
 [21:33] <Rogi> He's all giddy.
[21:33] <KungeRutta> 5
 [21:33] <Delusional> about how long is this schedueled to last?
[21:33] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> till the cows come home, woooOOOOO
[21:33] <CK_> Till Ragnarok? n.n
[21:34] * pixie[ctw_pm_chat] hands out the party hats and drinks
[21:34] <Rogi> Till the sixth of Never?
[21:34] <@cabalagent23> as long as it takes delusional, but they usually onlu go an hour or so
 [21:34] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> ooooo,
[21:34] * pixie[ctw_pm_chat] gives rogi the prize
[21:34] <@cabalagent23> we'll start in just a minute
 [21:34] <Delusional> thanks dave
[21:34] * Delusional is trying to study
[21:35] * CK_ pokes Delusional, No study, chat. Chaaaat... you know you wanna...
[21:35] <@cabalagent23> delusional tell us something you need to learn and we'll work it into the chat every other answer or so to help ;)
 [21:35] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> i am way too hyper. and i have the dvd for punky brewster on, but it is on the menu because i can't find the remote. So it is just playing the theme song for the cartoon over and over and over
[21:35] <Delusional> heh
[21:35] * Addlepated quietly confiscates Pixie's caffeine.
 [21:35] <@Toenolla> hahaha
 [21:36] * CK_ patpats pixe and readies the canvas coat with the long sleeves an' buckles
[21:36] <@cabalagent23> ok i guess we should get started
 [21:37] <CK_> k, who wants up first?
[21:37] <@cabalagent23> even though we arent going to be moderated if anyone wants to ask questions, please PM varin and she'll set up an order for us
 [21:37] * varin waves
 [21:37] <@cabalagent23> im going to make a little introductory statement and then ask the other pms here if they want to, too
 [21:37] <@cabalagent23> and then we'll entertain your questions and comments
 [21:37] <@cabalagent23> sound good?
 [21:37] <RedHatty> :)
[21:37] * pixie[ctw_pm_chat] nods a lot
[21:37] * CK_ give the thumbs up
[21:37] <Rogi> Varin needs to change her nick to Sam
[21:38] <@cabalagent23> feel free to comment on replies and ongoing discussions as we go, without pm'ing first though
 [21:38] <!Addlepated> heheh
 [21:38] <!varin> lol, I thought about that ;)
 [21:38] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> does that mean dave gets to be dale?
[21:39] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> or keith?
[21:39] <@Toenolla> yep ;)
 [21:39] <@cabalagent23> please no, no more dale for a while
 [21:39] <Rogi> lol
[21:39] <CK_> hehe
[21:39] <@cabalagent23> i'd rather be keith, i think
 [21:39] <@cabalagent23> but that's a whole 'nother story
 [21:39] <!Addlepated> dirty hippie
 [21:39] <@cabalagent23> wink wink
 [21:39] <Delusional> dale never did get back to me about that beer;)
[21:39] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> it was such a shocker seeing you as keith, it was so hard not to walk up and say "hey dave!
[21:40] <@cabalagent23> anyway thank you to everyone for being here tonight and for playing the game
 [21:40] * CK_ pokes knoa, yer late
[21:41] <@cabalagent23> hi kona we're just getting started
 [21:41] * CK_ poke kona, even
[21:41] <@cabalagent23> i hope you all enjoyed the game as much as we enjoyed creating it
 [21:42] <@konamouse> sorry, just got home, feeding the FIL
[21:42] <@cabalagent23> this game in particular for a lot of reasons was a long and tough haul for me personally, and the whole PM team i believe
 [21:42] <@cabalagent23> but i wouldnt trade the experience for anything
 [21:43] <@cabalagent23> and although they can speak for themselves, i think the rest of the team will agree
 [21:43] * konamouse hugs dave
[21:43] <@Nos> Totally
[21:43] <@Toenolla> hear, hear
 [21:43] <!Addlepated> there, there!
 [21:43] <@Toenolla> and EVERYWHERE!
 [21:43] <@cabalagent23> lol
 [21:43] <!varin> absolutely :D
 [21:43] * konamouse hugs the rest of the team also
[21:44] <@cabalagent23> see, they are still suffering some after effects from what i put them through, but they will be OK, the doctors have promised me
 [21:44] <RedHatty> lol
[21:44] <!Addlepated> my lobotomy is scheduled for next week
 [21:44] <@Toenolla> Yeah, they also promised an end to the hallucinations....
 [21:44] <CloudSleeper> I'll cross my fingers for them ;)
[21:44] <@cabalagent23> boy i thought it happened months ago ;)
 [21:44] <@Nos> lol
[21:44] <!Addlepated> that was a slow ball, old man
 [21:45] <!Addlepated> a gimme!
 [21:45] <@Toenolla> But addle's still here, so we know that'll not be soon coming. ;)
 [21:45] <@cabalagent23> ok back to the subject at hand
 [21:45] <Rogi> nite, all.
[21:45] <@cabalagent23> like i said, i want to tell you a couple of things to start with before i ask the other pms if they want to say anything and then we'll ask questions, for those that just joined
 [21:45] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> poor rogi, has to go hoem to a family
[21:46] <KungeRutta> sucker
 [21:47] <@cabalagent23> ok i wanted to tell you how ctw2 evolved as aproject while it was still undergoing development, to explain some things about the comic book tie in and how things unfolded
 [21:48] <@cabalagent23> my original intentions in starting this project were two-fold
 [21:48] * pixie[ctw_pm_chat] hugs MG
[21:48] <@cabalagent23> hi mountain girl
 [21:48] * MountainGirl hugs everyone
[21:48] <MountainGirl> Greetings
[21:49] <@cabalagent23> first, i really wanted to try and capture the ctw1 story in a lasting and re-readable form
 [21:49] <@cabalagent23> to give it some permanence over and above its original ARG run
 [21:49] <@cabalagent23> thats where the comic book idea came from, obviously
 [21:50] <@cabalagent23> as i began working on the comic book with the creative team, i decided that i really couldnt just create that without a new game to go along with it
 [21:50] <@cabalagent23> it just didnt seem right ;)
 [21:51] <@cabalagent23> but the whole concept of a sequel to an ARG is a really really tough concept to get your head around
 [21:51] <@cabalagent23> full of pitfalls and troubles different from any other game i had tried to create before
 [21:52] <@cabalagent23> to compound it all was the need to coordinate things with an outside entity - the printers and publishers of the comic book
 [21:52] <@cabalagent23> anyone who knowsw anything about trying to get a book created, printed, and distributed knows the nightmare that can be byitself
 [21:53] <@cabalagent23> not to mention trying to coordinate it with an essentially live experience like an ARG
 [21:53] <@cabalagent23> nnedless to say, although ive produced many games on different levels before, this one presented perhaps the toughest challenges ive ever had to deal with
 [21:54] <@cabalagent23> and finally, the last element that needed to be worked in was my desire to keep the ARG basically a grassroots game
 [21:54] <@cabalagent23> despite its obvious tie-in to a product
 [21:55] <@cabalagent23> thats why i kept the pm team fairly small
 [21:55] <@cabalagent23> and the scope of our work smaller in scale han even the first game
 [21:57] <@cabalagent23> i just wanted to clear that up because i know some people have asked me whether ctw2 was intended to be a commercial project, with the main intent to sell comic books
[21:58] <@cabalagent23> and the answer to that is no, the ARG was created as a supplement and enhancement to the printed work but really a s amarketing device at all
 [21:58] <@cabalagent23> but not really as a marketing device that should say
 [21:58] <@cabalagent23> sorry
 [21:58] <@cabalagent23> so basically the game was created for the love of making another grassroots ARG
 [21:59] <@cabalagent23> with a small and close team
 [21:59] <CK_> :D
[21:59] <@cabalagent23> after the experience of working on several larger commercial projects earlier in the year
 [21:59] <@cabalagent23> ok thats all i wanted to say, except thank you again, to all you players and the rest of the pm team
 [22:00] <@cabalagent23> and ask them if any of them would like to say anything to start
 [22:00] <!Addlepated> I will!
 [22:00] <!varin> me too :P
 [22:00] <@cabalagent23> oh and you're usually so shy, addie
 [22:00] <@cabalagent23> ;)
 [22:00] <!varin> lol
 [22:00] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> addle shy?
[22:00] <@cabalagent23> go ahead
 [22:01] <@Toenolla> I'll say a few things.
 [22:01] <!Addlepated> First of all, it's an honor and a privilege to work with this fine team
 [22:01] <@Nos> I'll say hi. Heh. *waves*
[22:01] <!Addlepated> except for Dave
 [22:01] <!varin> hahha
 [22:01] <!Addlepated> just kidding, I think :P
 [22:01] <!varin> yeah, he sucks
 [22:01] <!Addlepated> yay, Bruce is here
 [22:01] <Bruce> Hi guys
 [22:01] <@cabalagent23> hi bruce (nick)
 [22:01] <!Addlepated> anyway, it's always fun and exciting to work with Dave
 [22:01] <Bruce> Thought I'd pop in ~ still at work, sadly.
[22:02] <!Addlepated> and it was great getting to know new folks
 [22:02] <!Addlepated> like Bruce, there
 [22:02] <Bruce> Hello playas.
 [22:02] <@Nos> Quite the character he is
[22:02] <Bruce> ;)
 [22:02] <!Addlepated> and I believe this is possible the most Szulborski-cursed ARG that ever was.
 [22:02] <!Addlepated> every last one of us had something major happen during the game run
 [22:02] <!Addlepated> so I'd like to thank Dave for my kidney stones, too ;)
 [22:03] <@cabalagent23> ouch
 [22:03] <MountainGirl> heh
[22:03] <RedHatty> not fun
[22:03] <RedHatty> hope your feeling better noe Addle
[22:03] <RedHatty> now even
[22:03] <!Addlepated> but seriously, thanks to the team and to the players... I really loved doing all this, and interacting and hearing what you had to say both on and off the record
 [22:04] <!Addlepated> y'all are tops!
 [22:04] <!Addlepated> and I'm much better now, thanks ;)
 [22:04] <Bruce> We thought about putting codes on addie's kidney stones and mailing them to players.
 [22:04] <!Addlepated> ok, next?
 [22:04] <!Addlepated> hahaha
 [22:04] <!varin> we turned her stones into the runestones
 [22:04] <@cabalagent23> ok, varin?
 [22:04] <@Nos> lol
[22:04] <RedHatty> rofl - gross I have most of those
[22:04] <CK_> heh :P
[22:05] <!varin> I just want to thank Dave for letting me slide over to the other side of the curtain. I was disappointed that I couldn't play, but it was definitely worth it.
 [22:05] <MountainGirl> i have one and I'm rethinking the display placement in my living room
[22:05] <!varin> And I'm glad that some of you picked up AO :D
 [22:05] <RedHatty> ugh
[22:05] * MountainGirl curses patches
[22:05] <CK_> heh
[22:05] <!varin> lol
 [22:06] * RedHatty curses video games
[22:06] * CK_ patpat MG and RH
[22:06] <!varin> ok, I'm done blabbering :)
 [22:06] <@cabalagent23> toe? opening comment?
 [22:06] <@Toenolla> Let's see...
 [22:07] <@Toenolla> First of all, I think I should thank those of you who gave my masks their homes.
 [22:07] <CK_> :D
[22:07] * MountainGirl pouts
[22:07] * pixie[ctw_pm_chat] looks at her shadowbox with knowledge
[22:08] <@cabalagent23> MG, not to give any false hopes yet, but there is one mask left, you know . . .
[22:08] <@Toenolla> This was an amazing project to work on, as a relative newbie PM I got to work with the tightest group of PMs and Players I've ever seen
 [22:08] * enaxor looks at an empty shadowbox :p
[22:08] <@cabalagent23> more on that soon . . .
[22:08] <MountainGirl> :)
[22:09] <@Toenolla> Yes MG, the final mask is actually sitting on my desk, watching us. ;)
 [22:09] <drizjr> The masks are beautiful, Toenolla
[22:09] <MountainGirl> They truly are.
[22:09] <@enaxor> yes you did an amazing job
[22:10] <@konamouse> mask of man is still available???
[22:10] <Mapmaker> masks = awesome
[22:10] <@enaxor> my fave was the mask of nature
[22:10] <drizjr> did they have puzzles on them?
[22:10] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> I think man should be auctioned off to fund the next ARG
[22:10] <@Toenolla> Can I answer that, Dave?
 [22:10] <CK_> I only have one problem with mine...
[22:10] <!varin> I still think she needs to duplicate a few more sets :D
 [22:10] <@cabalagent23> yes toe did a great job
 [22:10] <@cabalagent23> yes toe
 [22:10] * konamouse wonders if there are any rune stones lying around
[22:10] <@Toenolla> There were no puzzles on the masks per se
 [22:10] <CK_> The camera lens on it makes it unbalanced, so it keeps falling off it's stand :P
[22:11] <@enaxor> ditto, what kona said
[22:11] <@konamouse> CK - shadow box
[22:11] <CK_> other than that, it's great
[22:11] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> that is why i used a shdowbox. mine was unbalanced also
[22:11] <CK_> yeah, but need to figure out how to hang it without it tilting :/
[22:11] <@Toenolla> But Knowledge, History, and Spirit had code elements that we made just in case we needed a quick puzzle somewhere in the game
 [22:11] <RedHatty> Kona - I still have some
[22:11] <MountainGirl> CK-Counterbalance
[22:11] <@konamouse> killalaz got the mask i coveted.
[22:11] <CK_> true
[22:11] <@cabalagent23> the balance comes in having all six together, of course ;)
 [22:11] <CK_> hehe
[22:11] <@konamouse> then he disappeared on us.
[22:12] <@cabalagent23> actually dan was communicating with the characters right through the end
 [22:12] <CK_> the DEG reappeared and got him
[22:12] <@Toenolla> hahaha Dave
 [22:12] <CK_> oh?
[22:12] <@konamouse> he stopped communicating with us.
[22:12] <@cabalagent23> just not in the community i guess
 [22:12] <@konamouse> bummer
[22:12] <@enaxor> he got the swag flu
[22:12] <@Nos> lol
[22:12] <Pagrashtak> I wonder why.
[22:12] <@konamouse> glad he kept going with the game though.
[22:12] <Bruce> Thankfully the Franklin Mint is issueing a limited edition 6 mask set in time for the holidays.
 [22:12] <!varin> haha
 [22:12] <Pagrashtak> Glad to hear he stuck around, though.
[22:12] <@Toenolla> Oh yeah, I'd like to apologize for getting CK sick. :P
 [22:12] <@cabalagent23> remind me to tell you the story of the live drop in that neighborhood of philly some time
 [22:12] <@konamouse> some folks got a little thin skinned
[22:13] * konamouse loves the live drop stories,
[22:13] <@enaxor> hahaha toenolla
[22:13] <CK_> eh, it's okay
[22:13] <@konamouse> pixie gave a great synopsis
[22:13] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> kona: of mine you mean?
[22:13] <@cabalagent23> toe, done with your comment? before we get too lost here
 [22:13] <@Toenolla> Yes, I'm done Dave
 [22:13] <CK_> probly wasn't you toe, probly just was jetlag and half a dozen other things all snowballing into one
[22:13] <@cabalagent23> nos or nick, opening comment?
 [22:14] <@Nos> Sure...
[22:14] <@Nos> But Nick can go first if he wants, heh
[22:14] <Bruce> after you, miss.
 [22:15] <Bruce> that means you go first nos! :)
 [22:15] <@Nos> Alright. Well, I just wanted to thank everyone, like we all have, for the oppourtunity to be involved in something like this. I was completely terrified at first, but that was gone pretty quick.
[22:15] <!varin> cem!
 [22:15] <@cem> dance was over at 10:30 not 11:00
 [22:16] <!Addlepated> yay =)
 [22:16] <@cem> so helloooohooo!
 [22:16] <@cabalagent23> hi cem
 [22:16] <@Nos> I was a total PM newbie when I came into this, but Dave and everyone were excellent and helping me out. And the players, wow. I love you guys so much.
[22:16] <@cem> sorry I'm late
 [22:16] <MountainGirl> awww
[22:16] <@cem> had to pick up kid fom dance
 [22:16] <@Nos> Lots of fun pulling this off. Oh, and CK, I had a blast annoying most of Stormwind with my guild. ;)
[22:16] <@Nos> And yeah, that's all. Heh
[22:17] <@Bruce> Ironforge has a better football team.
 [22:17] <@cabalagent23> nick?
 [22:17] <@cem> lol
 [22:17] <@Bruce> Yep...where to start...
 [22:18] <CK_> Hehe, I figured Nos :D
[22:18] <@Bruce> Well, I feel very fortunate and blessed that Dave invited me to participate. I come from 7 years of interactive advertising in new york and am one of the people pushing for more immersive experiences with lots of funding.
 [22:19] <@Bruce> As an agency guy I was so amazed at the commitment, energy and personality the team put into the work ~ so much heart.
 [22:19] <@Bruce> Watching Dave construct the proverbial orchestra...
 [22:20] <@Bruce> was unlike anything i'd seen in the space.
 [22:20] <@Bruce> i meant conduct
 [22:20] <@Bruce> anyhow, I had a lot of fun creating Bruce's story between the two games.
 [22:20] <@konamouse> nice blog for bruce.
[22:20] <@Bruce> And regret I didnt engage in more contact with you players
 [22:20] <@enaxor> you did a great job
[22:20] <MountainGirl> yes, excellent
[22:20] <@Bruce> who sent such amazing emails
 [22:21] * Sandra is still waiting for replies from Brucie. :)
[22:21] <@Bruce> next time, i promise i'll do more!
 [22:21] <CK_> hehe
[22:21] <@cabalagent23> lol
 [22:21] <@Bruce> He's on a bender.
 [22:21] <@cem> his writing is phenomenal
 [22:21] <@Bruce> Thanks so much.
 [22:21] <@Nos> Yeah, Nick can really nail a character
[22:21] <@Bruce> He ws fun to write and I got a lot of input from the team
 [22:22] <@Bruce> and to echo the crew a bit...i just can/t believe how close we all got...
 [22:22] <@Bruce> having never met anyone in person.
 [22:22] <@Toenolla> yeah, Bruce really challenged the rest of us to rise to his writing level
 [22:22] <@Bruce> those weekly chats were really a highlight.
 [22:22] * konamouse soooo wanted to flirt with bruce again, but backed off b/c of diana
[22:23] <@Nos> I too, looked forward to every meeting.
[22:23] <@Bruce> So thank you all for playing...
 [22:23] <@Bruce> ha ha ha
 [22:23] <@Bruce> wise morve kona
 [22:23] <CloudSleeper> Konamouse--ditto :)
[22:23] <@Bruce> she's a loco chick.
 [22:23] * pixie[ctw_pm_chat] reminds Kona she also liked ron... lol
[22:23] <@Nos> Heh Diana was insane.
[22:23] <@Bruce> eh you girls like th eproblem boys
 [22:23] <CK_> She's a witch! :P
[22:23] <CloudSleeper> lol
[22:23] <@cabalagent23> nick is still calling himself bruce so i guess he liked it; cem, quick statement?
 [22:24] <@cem> Thanks Dave. well this is my third go round with Dave and addie. Again I feel fortunate to have worked this past year on this project. Working with this crew is always wonderful. We had a lot of fun. And you can imagine, with real life issues how close knit you become over a three? year period.
 [22:24] <@cem> always a pleasure...
 [22:24] <@cem> thatssit :)
 [22:25] <@cem> don't wanna hold yas up
 [22:25] <@cabalagent23> thats it for the PM team, they were all incredible for this project
 [22:25] <@cabalagent23> so we'll start taking questions
 [22:25] <@cabalagent23> varin, who's up?
 [22:26] <!varin> ok, Pixie's up first
 [22:26] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> varin: the whole thing?
[22:26] <!Addlepated> :o
 [22:26] * Addlepated ducks
 [22:26] <@Nos> hehe
[22:26] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> I have a three two part questions and a compliment, and am not really sure what order to hit them, so unless Varin says someone else finally dinged her to be next in line, then here goes
[22:26] <!varin> there's one after you, that's it
 [22:26] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> 1} Dave, you said "obvious tie-in to a product" - Do you feel that the comic would be able to stand alone without CTW2? And What happened to the multiple comics, weren't there supposed to be multiple issues - or was that something i misunderstood?
[22:26] <@cabalagent23> im sure more will jump in
 [22:27] <@cabalagent23> well thats not an easy question but we might as well start with the tough ones, eh?
 [22:27] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> you assume, :-P
[22:28] <@cabalagent23> first, the comic was and will eventually be a full three issue series, telling the whole story from ctw1
 [22:28] <@cabalagent23> the next two issues wont be coming out right away
 [22:28] <@cabalagent23> but will eventually be produced
 [22:28] <@cabalagent23> the ARG was always intended to just play while the first issue was out though
 [22:29] <@cabalagent23> and the hope is that, once it is completed, the three issue story will stand alone as a printed work
 [22:30] <@cabalagent23> the company who was financing the comic book side of the project, new Fiction
 [22:30] <@cabalagent23> which i am a partner in but not in total control of
 [22:31] <@cabalagent23> has undergone some changes in their original plans and structuring
 [22:31] <@konamouse> ack!
[22:31] <@cabalagent23> which impacted the comic book scheduling and the ARG financing actually too
 [22:31] <@cabalagent23> so there have been some changes to the plan along the way
 [22:32] <@cabalagent23> long answer to a short question; follow up or next one, pixie?
 [22:32] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> 2} Addle: next time, dave is working for you, right? J/K But really, for the WHOLE PM team {and any BTS people here as well!!!}, quite a few of you have worked together before. We have some new ARGers who joined with this game, can you explain your dynamics as a team? And do you have any regrets?
[22:32] <!Addlepated> beheheh
 [22:32] <@Toenolla> I regret nothing!
 [22:33] <Ellie> Lies!
[22:33] <!Addlepated> this team got along smashingly
 [22:33] <!varin> I regret not finishing my CTW basement mural :P
 [22:33] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> lol
[22:33] <@cabalagent23> the team dynamics were great, as we all had somewhat assigned roles but also filled in and helped each other as needed
 [22:33] <@cem> lol
 [22:33] <@Nos> I regret not derailing the meetings with Firefly talk more often.
[22:33] <!Addlepated> I really enjoyed working with them
 [22:33] <!Addlepated> nobody ever fought, not once
 [22:33] <!Addlepated> :o
 [22:33] <@Bruce> Is that possible, Nos?
[22:33] <@cabalagent23> i try as much as possible to let pms do what they like to do in terms of type of work
 [22:33] <!Addlepated> it's abnormal
 [22:33] <@Toenolla> Everyone on the team was fantastic, artistic, a little eccentric...
 [22:33] <@Nos> lol
[22:34] <!varin> everyone was very easy to work with :)
 [22:34] <@Nos> A little Toe?
[22:34] <KungeRutta> i wasn't involved a whole lot and worked mostly with addle, but I had a lot of fun with my part
 [22:34] <@cem> I think we have a lot of earned respect for each other
 [22:34] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> eccentric, you guys????
[22:34] * MountainGirl relates to eccentricity
[22:34] <@cabalagent23> and assemble a team based on their skills and desires
 [22:34] * CK_ prefers the term "nuts" himself...
[22:34] <!varin> actually, I can't believe they put up with *me*
[22:34] <@Bruce> I very much enjoyed how different all our lives are...some with kids, some not, ages from 20s to way older than 20s :) spread all over North America.
 [22:35] <@cabalagent23> my only regret is that the original plans we dreamed up werent entirely possible when it came down to actually making the game
 [22:35] <@cabalagent23> but that's normal, in every ARG experience
 [22:35] <!Addlepated> I regret slipping behind on Sarah's mail during the period I was out of it
 [22:35] <@Toenolla> "desires" being the biggest thing. I can remember more than one time someone picked up a random idea and just ran with it out of love for the project
 [22:35] <@cem> yah we can't believe we put up with V either
 [22:35] <@cem> ;)
 [22:35] <@cabalagent23> you start with huge amazing ideas and then figure out what you can actually do
 [22:35] <!varin> :D
 [22:35] <@cabalagent23> ok pixie, another question or follow-up?
 [22:36] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> 3} There has been discussion about the semi-lack of puzzles and interaction in this game as opposed to your others games. Was there a reason for that? Do you feel you were taking a large chance with the WOW & AO event?
[22:36] <@cabalagent23> now thats a question i was looking forward to
 [22:36] <@enaxor> hehe
[22:36] <CK_> :D
[22:37] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> To be honest, there is a lot of disappointment on that issue, having expectations due to previous games.
[22:37] <@cabalagent23> yes, to a good extent, i intentionally wanted this game to be slightly less "game" than previous efforts both mine and others i had sen in the ARG world recently
 [22:37] <@cabalagent23> meaning the level of puzzles and interaction was deliberatley rollled back
 [22:38] <@cabalagent23> bear with me thorugh this please while i explain why
 [22:38] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> of course
[22:38] <RedHatty> that's scary, Mystes was "rolled back"
[22:38] * CK_ holds back the lynch mob
[22:38] <CK_> :P
[22:38] <@cabalagent23> ive been of the feeling that the general trend in ARGs lately has been leaning heavily towards obvious games
 [22:39] <@cabalagent23> totally artificial situations with forced game elements and puzzles
 [22:40] <@cabalagent23> and even though it seems somewhat crazy to deliberately go against a trend that seems popular
 [22:40] <!Addlepated> nobody ever accused Dave of being sane, so it's ok
 [22:40] <@cabalagent23> (meaning that games with obvious contest or game elements like POTC, LCP etc get a lot of attention)
 [22:41] <@cabalagent23> i felt a need to return somewhat to the interactive fiction roots of ARGs
 [22:42] <@cabalagent23> interaction in the sense of finding and aseembling the overall story
 [22:42] <cem> oops....backspace did that...still getting used to this thing
 [22:42] <@cabalagent23> and puzzles in the meta sense of making all the pieces fit
 [22:42] <@cabalagent23> ctw1 was known for mucho interaction and constant puzzles
 [22:43] <@cabalagent23> i didnt want this to be the same and knew we couldnt top that aspect of the original anyway
 [22:44] <@cabalagent23> i guess the bottom line is that very few of the ARG experiences ive seen lately feel real to me
 [22:44] <@cabalagent23> and i was hoping that toning down certain elements would help make ctw2 feel more real
 [22:45] <@cabalagent23> so yes, to a good extent it was deliberate
 [22:45] <@cabalagent23> and im sorry that it caused some disappointment based on expectations
 [22:45] <!Addlepated> I think the first CTW got some criticism for having too much interaction, didn't it?
 [22:45] <cem> hey ARGTalk was so totally real...
 [22:45] <cem> ;)
 [22:45] <!varin> yes, it did Addie :)
 [22:45] <@Bruce> So a focus on compelling narrative versus obstacles....
[22:45] * pixie[ctw_pm_chat] grabs the bubble wrap for addle
[22:45] <!Addlepated> So ya can't please all the people all the time.
 [22:46] <!varin> You know what surprised me the most about interaction though?
 [22:46] <@Bruce> just ask Ricky Nelson.
 [22:46] <CloudSleeper> brave move
[22:46] <!varin> How few of the emails actually got posted to UF.
[22:46] <!Addlepated> yeah,
 [22:46] <@Nos> Yeah, that was a little surprising
[22:46] * konamouse posted hers if they were different from the others.
[22:46] <MountainGirl> Story definitely trumped puzzles and the puzzles that we had felt natural.
[22:46] <Sandra> Really? I thought most of us posted. That's sad.
[22:47] * CK_ nods
[22:47] <@Toenolla> On the player side, though, I really thought the players put their heart into what they wrote to us.
 [22:47] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> really? i just assumed we were all getting basically form emails - all of mine were posted unless the same
[22:47] <@Toenolla> Peter was quite impressed.
 [22:47] <!varin> I remember one night I sent out something like 17 emails and like a third of them got posted. *sniff sniff*
 [22:47] <Sandra> Maybe not getting all the emails is why their appears to be holes in the story. :(
[22:47] <MountainGirl> Bound Pages Not Web Pages!
[22:47] <@konamouse> guess there were a lot of lurkers.
[22:47] * bitwise lurks
[22:47] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> Personally, it felt a bit as if we were kind of just along for the ride at times. I see what you mean on forced puzzles - might be why i don't play many games, however it really felt like with the exception of saving the library we had little part in it. We all still love you though
[22:47] <!varin> and just for the record, I never once sent out a form email ;P
 [22:47] <@cabalagent23> pixie, anything else? on that subject?
 [22:47] <!Addlepated> Yeah - with one exception, all Sarah's mails were totally personalized and different
 [22:47] <Pagrashtak> I didn't post some of my emails from the beginning - I wasn't sure then if that was the way things were done or not.
[22:48] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> And finally, as a player, I want to thank you guys. Obviously, i'm a ?dave&team? fan, my gaming history here shows it. If there was ever a group i'd want to work with... hint hint! {I was going to bring up the ad for the egg again as a red hering, but... eh, it has been beaten to death... ah haha, I crack me up! Okay, I?ll stop}
[22:48] * MountainGirl posted all of hers.
[22:48] <@cabalagent23> pixie, before we go on . .
[22:48] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> yes?
[22:48] * CK_ thought he posted all his.... mighta missed a few...
[22:49] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> am i getting yelled at for the puns?
[22:49] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> lol
[22:49] <@cabalagent23> the egg is a movie project in the works right now
 [22:49] <CK_> need help? n.n
[22:49] <@cabalagent23> optioned to an actual movie studio
 [22:49] <MountainGirl> right on
[22:49] <@cabalagent23> and although it is not directlky tied into the ctw world
 [22:50] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> it was based on the same concepts right?
[22:50] <!varin> Dave is playing the part of the yolk.
 [22:50] <!varin> badum..
 [22:50] <@Nos> lol
[22:50] <@cabalagent23> it uses elements of the ongs hat mythos that ctw has contributed in its story
 [22:50] <MountainGirl> lol
[22:50] <@cabalagent23> ok next questioner?
 [22:50] <!Addlepated> I also want to interject something about what Pixie said about the players not feeling like they had any part in the game...
 [22:50] <!varin> RedHatty's up next
 [22:50] <@cabalagent23> ok addie
[22:50] <!varin> (after Addie) :P
 [22:51] <!Addlepated> it was completely befuddling at times to see that the player frustration level was so high on that point
 [22:51] <!Addlepated> since y'all had MANY times where you directly impacted things
 [22:51] <!Addlepated> I guess I can only liken it to a choose your own adventure book, but in the ARG you weren't able to flip to the back to see what would have happened if you hadn't done something
 [22:52] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> {it was funny how many morons signed the petition saying "i have no idea where aglaura is but yeah save it" and i just deleted their comments}
[22:52] <@cabalagent23> lol
 [22:52] <@Toenolla> For example, we really were planning to demolish the library.
 [22:52] <!Addlepated> it was interesting that people were directly comparing the UH finale with this one and saying this one was less interactive
 [22:52] <!Addlepated> since they were almost identical in structure
 [22:53] <!Addlepated> everything, for both finales, was scripted
 [22:53] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> nooo, mg come back
[22:53] <CK_> heh
[22:53] <!Addlepated> so anyway, y'all had a lot more "say" in what happened than you felt you did
 [22:54] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> perhaps another time you can elaborate on that for me addle
[22:54] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> :-P
[22:54] * CK_ pre-empts her question if she don't come back n.n
[22:54] <!varin> I believe the ending itself changed based on the player's actions throughout the game
 [22:54] <!varin> er, players'
 [22:54] <!Addlepated> and it might be interesting someday to have a discussion about why you had the feeling of a lack of agency
 [22:54] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> sounds like a discussion for over rita's!
[22:54] <!Addlepated> but not now ;)
 [22:54] <!Addlepated> heh
 [22:54] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> :-)
[22:55] <!Addlepated> ok, I"m stepping down from my soapbox
 [22:55] <!Addlepated> next?
 [22:55] <CK_> heh, no reason we can't discuss tonight n.n
[22:55] <!varin> RedHatty?
 [22:55] <RedHatty> This was my very first ARG experience & I want to thank you all for the great time I had playing! The trip to Austin was a blast! Toenolla, are you the same Haley we had the pleasure of meeting in Austin?
[22:55] <@Toenolla> Yeppers!
 [22:55] <CK_> n.n
[22:55] <Ellie> <3 toenolla
[22:55] <RedHatty> It was a pleasure!
[22:55] <RedHatty> If I may - one nore thing
[22:55] <@Toenolla> And now you've given me a chance to gush about the Austin drop!
 [22:56] <@Toenolla> Yes, Miss Reddest of the Hats?
 [22:56] <RedHatty> It wasn't the lack of participation at the end, but the feeling that there was a lack of closure - too many elements were left with no answer to them
[22:56] <!varin> you just haven't figured the answers out yet then ;P
 [22:57] <!Addlepated> hehehe, you hardass
 [22:57] <RedHatty> true!
[22:57] <@cabalagent23> i sympathize with that feeling redhatty, i do
 [22:57] * varin will update the story so far soon :)
 [22:57] <RedHatty> I have no experience to compare it to
[22:57] <@cabalagent23> but to be honest, i prefer stories that dont wrap everything up completely
 [22:57] <@konamouse> i got so confused with the time paradox.
[22:57] <@cabalagent23> ctw1 was much the same
 [22:57] <!Addlepated> open-ended movies drive my husband nuts, too
 [22:57] <Six> you must have enjoyed vaporlofts then :P
[22:57] <RedHatty> but I did very much enjoy it & I will be active in more ARGs
[22:58] <CK_> after all, there's gonna be more comic comin out, eh? eh? ;P
[22:58] <!varin> yay!
 [22:58] <@Toenolla> Redhatty: I hope so!
 [22:58] <RedHatty> Oh Haley, My kids say Hi!
[22:58] <@Toenolla> All of my friends at the market absolutely loved you guys.
 [22:58] <Mapmaker> hehe, Six
[22:58] * RedHatty blushes
[22:58] <@cabalagent23> my intent isnt to to finish and completely explain all the metaphysical and philosophical elements in an ARG, only the story lines
 [22:58] <CK_> :D
[22:58] <@Toenolla> Even the ones that weren't involved and had no clue what was going on thought y'all were the bomb
 [22:59] <@cabalagent23> the rest of the work on the other aspects is up to you :)
 [22:59] <Sandra> So we get to decide what happened? LOL
[22:59] <@cabalagent23> i want you to spend the weeks following the game thinking about what those elemtns unresolved meant
 [23:00] <RedHatty> I'm still trying to figure out just who Simon Wystes was really after
[23:00] <RedHatty> err mystes
[23:01] <cem> And runaway kids
 [23:01] <cem> lol
 [23:01] <@cabalagent23> well the MYSTES group did get a little downplayed at the end, primarily due to not successfully working through all of their puzzles and lessons, which i blame myself for, not the players
 [23:01] <cem> sorry didn't mean to run o
 [23:01] <@Toenolla> And hi to the RedHattlings. :)
 [23:01] <@konamouse> i figured we dropped the hat on that.
[23:01] <RedHatty> Okay I'm done, thank you all again for all your efforts
[23:02] <@cabalagent23> you're welcome
 [23:02] <@cabalagent23> next?
 [23:02] <!varin> MountainGirl is up next
[23:02] <MountainGirl> Greetings all. I would like to thank you for the amazing experience. I have three (i think) questions.
[23:02] <@enaxor> if gb can't figure it out, we know we're in trouble with a puzzle
[23:02] <Six> oooh just jumping in here, was there an answer to that greece looking pic on Mystes?
[23:02] <CloudSleeper> Thank you Six!!!
[23:02] <MountainGirl> Who the heck WAS Simon Magus?
[23:03] <@cabalagent23> hold on six, lets get MGs questions first
 [23:03] <@cabalagent23> Simon Magus was based on a real life character, the only person whom the Bible calls a "magician" actually
 [23:04] <MountainGirl> I got that, but who was he IG?
[23:04] <@cabalagent23> and rumors and stories about Simon MAgus name him as part of various "secret societies" and groups
 [23:04] * CK_ has his money on "Aspect of Knowledge"
[23:04] <@cabalagent23> in the game, it is just an indentity adopted by the "face" of this group which throughout history has adopted many fronts and names
 [23:05] <@cabalagent23> to disguise their real identity and purpose
 [23:05] <MountainGirl> Which was exactly?
[23:05] <@cabalagent23> atheme common to CTW1 and 2 is that there are groups throughout history that pop up whenever certain portions of "protected knowledge" is about to be exposed
 [23:06] <@cabalagent23> a theme common in shared mythology and cultures too
 [23:06] <@cabalagent23> that certain groups believe that only they should have access to the secrets they know
[23:07] <@cabalagent23> one of the rumors about the Ongs Hat ashram, which existed before CTW1, was that such a group came and wiped them out
 [23:07] <MountainGirl> Makes sense (guessing it's not a specific group, YET). Second question, Why was it important to create the OOG website during the finale?
[23:07] <@cabalagent23> because of the subjects they were researching
 [23:07] * MountainGirl jumped the gun
[23:07] <@cabalagent23> so MYSTES was a continuation of that theme
 [23:08] <@cabalagent23> MG, the website the players were asked to create for the finale was intneded to do two things
 [23:08] <@cabalagent23> first, in the sense of the story, the players were being asked to assume the role that Sam normally played
 [23:09] <@cabalagent23> since she/he was unavailable and normally served as Dale and friends' online helper and resource
 [23:09] <@cabalagent23> they needed someone to receive and help circulate their messages discovery during the finale
 [23:09] <@cabalagent23> so they asked players to serve this purpose
 [23:10] <@cabalagent23> secondly, in an OOG sense, the site was needed to try and make sure the story of the finale night stayed visible after we wiped out all the ingame sites
 [23:10] <@cabalagent23> so people who couldnt be there live could read it
 [23:10] <@cabalagent23> make sense?
 [23:11] <MountainGirl> Yes, now down to the nitty gritty...How would one go about obtaining the Mask of Man?
[23:11] <!Addlepated> and watching the players coordinate and plan was amazing
 [23:11] <@cabalagent23> lol
 [23:11] <Sandra> It was a great idea and did help make the finale more interactive - since we got to do something.
[23:11] * MountainGirl really wants the Mask of Man
[23:11] <!Addlepated> I kept saying you were a well-oiled machine
 [23:11] <CK_> mehehe
[23:11] <!Addlepated> I want that mask!
 [23:11] * konamouse will fight you for it
[23:11] <@cabalagent23> that will be revealed soon, the mask of man part
 [23:11] <Pagrashtak> A fight to the death!
[23:11] <MountainGirl> ItS MINE
[23:11] * RedHatty already gave up rights to one - wishes...
[23:11] <@enaxor> You'll have to win it
[23:11] <@cabalagent23> any other questions, mg?
 [23:12] <CK_> :P
[23:12] <MountainGirl> no. Thank you again!!!
[23:12] <!varin> CK's up next then
 [23:12] <cem> the finale in here at first was like watching laurel and Hardy's "Who's on First?"
 [23:12] <@cabalagent23> thank you
 [23:12] <cem> it was very cute
 [23:12] <Sandra> cem - thanks. lol
[23:12] <CK_> K, first off, will there be another CTW? Perhaps Creating the Wish? :P
[23:13] <MountainGirl> Hey, the blog worked out great
[23:13] * pixie[ctw_pm_chat] still thinks msk of man should be auctioned off to fund the next arg
[23:13] <@cabalagent23> CK, there are no plans to do anything else with CTW for the moment for a couple of reasons
 [23:13] <@cabalagent23> first, sequels are just damn hard to do in the ARG format
 [23:13] <@cabalagent23> one was enough for now
 [23:14] <cem> lol
 [23:14] <CK_> hehe kk, figured as much :P
[23:14] <@cabalagent23> plus, im comitted to getting the next 2 comcis out before doing anything else of a live ARG nature for CTW
 [23:14] <cem> hey ya never know till ya try right?
 [23:14] <CK_> n.n
[23:14] <@cabalagent23> although there may be some non-ARG related mini-things coming up set in the CTW universe
 [23:15] <CK_> oohh
[23:15] * Delusional suggjests a hard cover editon with all three comics:)
[23:15] <cem> what I mean by that is that you can't really predict every little thing when doing a sequel
 [23:15] <@cabalagent23> and the second reason is that i am just swamped with other projects and work
 [23:15] <cem> dave's the swampMaster :)
 [23:15] <@cabalagent23> any further ctw arg stuff is quite a ways off
 [23:16] <@cabalagent23> foillow-up or another question, ck?
 [23:16] <Sin_Vraal> I'm quite fond of my byline: CTWIII: Wish You Were Here
[23:16] <!varin> hey Sin
 [23:16] <@enaxor> lol
[23:16] <CK_> well, if ya need any help, I'd always be willing to intern or something :D
[23:16] <CK_> yeah another question
[23:16] <MountainGirl> love it Sin
[23:17] <Sin_Vraal> =)
[23:17] <CK_> What would have happened if we let Mystes win?
[23:17] <CK_> I.E. Get Wes
[23:17] <CK_> What would they have told us?
[23:18] <CK_> if anything...
[23:18] <!varin> "I am your father..."
 [23:18] <CK_> :P
[23:18] <RedHatty> lol
[23:18] <Pagrashtak> No, The Lost Experience already used that cliche....
[23:18] <cem> Ninjas
 [23:19] <CK_> Dead eyed ninjas?
[23:19] <cem> lol..i was j/k
 [23:19] <@cabalagent23> MYSTES was going to reveal the "true purpose" of the Marzent machinery and plans
 [23:19] <CK_> :P
[23:19] <@cabalagent23> although it was just going to be another level of deception
 [23:20] <CK_> I suppose to get Dale to stage his raid?
[23:21] <@cabalagent23> yes; btw, CK, in reference to your earlier comment, i am in the process of setting a website specifically for recruiting helpers / PMs on future projects
 [23:21] <CK_> :D
[23:21] <@cabalagent23> ill post more about it to UF in the near future
 [23:21] <CK_> I'll keep an eye out
[23:21] <@cabalagent23> next question? or questioner?
 [23:21] <Sandra> So many will want to help there won't be anyone to play. <g>
[23:22] <Six> you'll be swampped :)
[23:22] <!varin> CloudSleeper is next
 [23:22] <CK_> eh.. dammit forgot one question..... so I'll ask, Did I miss anything at the place I was referred to in Austin?
[23:22] <CK_> sorry
[23:22] <@cabalagent23> toe?
 [23:22] <@cabalagent23> did they miss anything in austin?
 [23:22] <@Toenolla> Nope. ;)
 [23:23] <RedHatty> kewl :)
[23:23] <CK_> :D
[23:23] <@Toenolla> I didn't want to make you come all the way here for just one thing, though
 [23:23] <CloudSleeper> Ok- I?ll give you both and you can pick :) The interaction level was very high but you guys did not answer some e-mails, was this a conscious choice or you were just getting to many? Would you say CTWI or II was more of a success in your eyes?
[23:23] <@Toenolla> So I suggested the ADH because it's awesome. :)
 [23:23] <bitwise> :D
[23:23] <CK_> hehe wish I coulda went :/
[23:24] <!Addlepated> Which character not answering mail are you talking about, CloudSleeper?
 [23:24] <@Toenolla> That's probably me. :P
 [23:24] <@cabalagent23> Cloud, some of the emails didnt get answered for story reasons, where there were some times the PM just couldn't get to them too
 [23:24] <CloudSleeper> I sent a few, that were not responded to, dale and bruce I believe
[23:24] <CK_> and THAT was along the lines of the question I forgot... Emails ignoring information in the emails they were replying to...
[23:24] <@Bruce> Guilty
 [23:24] <@cabalagent23> so it was a mixture there
 [23:25] <@Nos> I am sure I responded to all of mine...
[23:25] <@cabalagent23> its tough to really demand anymore than these guys gave when they are volunteering their time
 [23:25] <CloudSleeper> I was wondering if you didn't respond to some because of too much fishing for info ;)
[23:25] <Mapmaker> haha, I got turned down too, once - by someone on AIN who had a chance encounter with someone else.....
[23:25] <CloudSleeper> had nice exchanges with bruce tho- witty
[23:25] <@Bruce> I always figured bruce not answering mail kept people wondering if he fell off the wagon.
 [23:26] <CK_> hehe
[23:26] <@Bruce> since he was on the edge 99% of the time
 [23:26] <@Bruce> convenient excuse
 [23:26] <Sandra> I got great enjoyment from corresponding with "Dale" "Sam" and "Wes" - and miss them. :)
[23:26] <RedHatty> sometimes I wondered
[23:26] <!Addlepated> the information you get while playing a character can be a chancy thing - it's like, what if the girl in the horror movie actually heard you when you said, "Don't go in there!"? If she didn't, there would be no story.
 [23:26] <@cabalagent23> nothing was ignored because it was too probing or on target
 [23:26] <CloudSleeper> ok cool
[23:26] <CloudSleeper> always wondered about that
[23:26] <@cabalagent23> but like addie said, character replies need to balance being realistic and delivering only the ibfo you want them too also
 [23:27] <!varin> I answered all emails until Sam had to disappear and then I went through a little bit of withdrawal
 [23:27] <@cabalagent23> as far as successes, i think both ctw1 and 2 were successes for different reasons and by different parameters
 [23:27] <CK_> yeah, but a response like "I'm sure thet'd never happen" mighta bee preferential...
[23:28] <CloudSleeper> 2 very different birds
[23:28] <cem> tweet
 [23:28] <cem> sorry:caffeine
 [23:28] <CK_> sad, I wasn't involved way back when...
[23:28] * Addlepated quietly confiscates cem's caffeine and sets it next to Pixie's.
 [23:29] <RedHatty> But players like Sandra & Kona gave us the history we needed
[23:29] <cem> ack
 [23:29] <Sandra> RH, thanks. :)
[23:29] <CloudSleeper> and Six's question, what the heck was the Greece looking map thing
[23:29] * CK_ quietly steals said confiscated caffeine, "Mehehehe..."
[23:29] * Six nods
[23:29] <Six> that was our first real roadblock in Mystes
[23:29] * pixie[ctw_pm_chat] never had any caffine, it was a natural hyper high
[23:30] <CloudSleeper> I spent waaaaaay too much time on that
[23:30] <@cabalagent23> there were several of the MYSTES puzzle trails that had multiple paths through them
 [23:30] <@cabalagent23> all circling back to the same information or solution
 [23:30] <@cabalagent23> the idea being that that's what groups like that really do
 [23:30] <@cabalagent23> give you a shitload of mumbo jumbo and misdirection
 [23:31] <@cabalagent23> before revealing their "great secrets"
 [23:31] * CK_ *cough*scientology?*cough*cough* :P
[23:31] <RedHatty> lol
[23:31] <@konamouse> LOL
[23:31] <@cabalagent23> oy bad subject for me
 [23:31] <@cabalagent23> that one
 [23:31] <@cabalagent23> lol
 [23:31] <@Toenolla> hehe
 [23:31] <Pagrashtak> I'd like to know more about the paths at some point - the ones we didn't find, and the ones we stumbled upon accidentally.
[23:32] <CloudSleeper> aha! yup, way too much time. So did you figure that we were a slow crowd at anypoint, were you frustrated with US?
[23:32] <@cabalagent23> perhaps i can document that for you and post it, the intended MYSTES paths and puzzles
 [23:32] <Pagrashtak> That would be great.
[23:32] <Six> that would be so good :)
[23:32] <@cabalagent23> well cloud at some points i was amazed that simple things werent found
 [23:32] <CK_> Yeah, who moved the story along most often? Aside from GB and his cryptology skills? :P
[23:32] <CloudSleeper> yes
[23:32] * Rogi nods
[23:33] * RedHatty wonders what simple things weren't found
[23:33] <@Toenolla> They're trying to get us to say which of our kids we love most. xP
 [23:33] * CK_ nodnods
[23:33] <CloudSleeper> lol
[23:33] <CK_> :P
[23:33] <@Nos> lol
[23:33] <!Addlepated> Driz and her website-finding skills was amazing
 [23:33] <@enaxor> not me, I posted rude polls :p
[23:33] * drizjr blushes
[23:33] <@Bruce> Rankings will be published near the lockers on Monday.
 [23:34] * CK_ gives Driz a cookie
[23:34] <@cabalagent23> there were cases where people didnt look in the source code right away etc
 [23:34] <@cabalagent23> standard things you expect from ARGers
 [23:34] * Six ctrl+a's
[23:34] * RedHatty has to put a sticky on monitor reminding her to always check source code
[23:34] <!varin> Who was it that found that project restoration site? I had to ask Dave myself if he was hiding a from us. :P
 [23:34] <!varin> er, a website from us
 [23:34] <Rogi> Sylvia
[23:35] <Sandra> That was Sylvia.
[23:35] <@cabalagent23> another question, CS? Or who's next?
 [23:35] <RedHatty> that is one wierd site
[23:35] <!varin> that's it for the queue
 [23:35] <CloudSleeper> nope, thank you very very much and all the team for the great work
[23:35] <@cabalagent23> thank you, cloud
 [23:35] <@konamouse> i have one.
[23:35] <@cabalagent23> hi kona!
 [23:36] * konamouse gives dave et al another hug.
[23:36] * Rogi raises hand, too.
[23:36] <Six> me too after kona
[23:36] <@Nos> *hug*
[23:36] <@konamouse> time paradox. if we reversed the original wish, reverted back to before dale attempted to pull the trigger, did we send aglaura back to 2003?
[23:36] <@cabalagent23> hmm, now thats a good question
 [23:37] <@cabalagent23> lol
 [23:37] <CK_> dun dun DUN!
[23:37] <@konamouse> taht was my spec a day or so before the endgame
[23:37] <@Bruce> 1955, near the clock tower.
 [23:37] <!Addlepated> 1.21 jigawatts!
 [23:37] <CloudSleeper> hehe
[23:37] <@Toenolla> hehehe
 [23:37] <!varin> btw kona I was totally pretending that I wasn't listening to you talk about CTW2 on the train at ARGfest :P
[23:37] <CK_> It's just a jump to the left...
[23:37] <@cabalagent23> my answer to that is yes, it was starting all over again, back at the tinme it originally began
 [23:38] <@cabalagent23> at least in that dimension ;)
 [23:38] <@konamouse> varin - you did a good job, didn't you!
[23:38] <Six> noooo! dimension split
[23:38] <CK_> Causal loop!
[23:38] <@konamouse> i'm still bummed we didn't get any CTW2 related thing in Chicago.
[23:38] <@cabalagent23> lol
 [23:38] <@cabalagent23> well we originally planned one for there kona
 [23:38] <CloudSleeper> it needs to come to Hawaii! Kona!
[23:39] <@Bruce> I was pushing for the in-bar event where someone had to talk Bruce off the stool.
 [23:39] <@cabalagent23> but things had to change
 [23:39] <@Bruce> in nyc
 [23:39] <@Bruce> but alas, next time.
 [23:39] <CK_> awww
[23:39] <@cabalagent23> follow up kona? or another?
 [23:39] <@konamouse> ah, meeting bruce, would have been amazing!!
[23:39] <@cem> lol
 [23:39] * MountainGirl can't wait for interaction at the sunsphere in knoxville
[23:39] <@konamouse> just, will we get a chance to finish mystes trail?
[23:40] <@cabalagent23> perhaps
 [23:40] <@cabalagent23> not right away though
 [23:40] * enaxor waits and waits and waits for interaction in oregon
[23:40] <@cabalagent23> too many irons in the fire
 [23:40] <@konamouse> and for keith to NOT come to vegas???
[23:40] <@konamouse> insane!!!
[23:41] <@cabalagent23> keith was going to do more travelling before i started having to go into nyc every damn week
 [23:41] * RedHatty offers New Orleans as a great fest place
[23:41] <CK_> I've got info on Mithras, Kona, so if/when the trail starts back up, I'll lend ya some :P
[23:41] <CK_> Phoenix n.n
[23:41] <@konamouse> NYC?
[23:41] <@cabalagent23> for some upcoming projects, kona
 [23:42] * RedHatty still owes Keith a daiquiri or 5
[23:42] <MountainGirl> knoxville
[23:42] * CK_ volunteers Anchoridge, too
[23:42] <CK_> :P
[23:42] <@cem> I loved Keith
 [23:42] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> A question for the players: just how many of us owe a char drinks/food of some sort? lol
[23:42] <MountainGirl> come on, the 1982 world's fair was there! lol
[23:42] <!varin> lol
 [23:42] <@konamouse> bruce owes me dinner!
[23:42] * MountainGirl raises hand
[23:43] <@cem> lol kona
 [23:43] <CK_> hehe
[23:43] <@cem> still going strong after all these years?
 [23:43] <@Bruce> Bruce's girlfriend will kick his ass
 [23:43] <@cem> lol
 [23:43] * RedHatty still has makings for jambalaya ready
[23:43] <@cem> lmao
 [23:43] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> i adored keith, got attached to him. not the same as ed, nothing beats the first char attachment.
[23:43] <@konamouse> is he back with Angie???
[23:43] <@cabalagent23> rogi? question? six, you can be next
 [23:43] <Rogi> After two plus hours, I'm sure these were covered, but...I have a few:
[23:43] <Six> go ahead Rogi
[23:43] <@Bruce> You know the old saying girl in every port....Bruce has one in every dimension.
 [23:43] <CloudSleeper> lol
[23:44] <drizjr> lol
[23:44] <@cem> lol
 [23:44] <@enaxor> and bar
[23:44] <@Toenolla> olo
 [23:44] <Rogi> To Dave: Do you feel this game was a success?
[23:44] <MountainGirl> heh
[23:44] * CK_ mutters something about green girls from Orion...
[23:44] <@Bruce> thanks to string theory, there's no such thing as infidelity any longer.
 [23:45] <@cabalagent23> yes that was asked already and yes, definitely; it did what we wanted it to as a team and i believe it entertained a lot of people for free for quite a while
 [23:45] * RedHatty wonders how Bruce explains that to gf
[23:45] <@cabalagent23> those are the only parameters of success we laid out for the game originally
 [23:46] <Rogi> Did we win or lose?
[23:46] <CK_> yes
[23:46] <MountainGirl> lol
[23:46] <@cabalagent23> on another level, believe it or not, the game and the fact that it incorporated a printed work has opened up a alot of new doors for me and ARGs too hopefully
 [23:47] <CloudSleeper> win-win
[23:47] <@cabalagent23> in the eyes of some enetrtainment people who are now seeing that ARgs are not restricted to merely online website based experiences
 [23:47] <Rogi> Sorry if that sounds messed up, but I was really cornfuzed near the end.
[23:47] * RedHatty loves her lithograph
[23:47] <@cabalagent23> and you won if you enjoyed the time spent playing rogi
 [23:47] <@Bruce> I want to re-iterate how masterfully adroit dave was at making seamless adjustments to deal with any and all obstacles throughout the game.
 [23:47] * MountainGirl loves Rogi for saying "cornfuzed"
[23:47] <@enaxor> what obstacles?
[23:48] <!Addlepated> it was more of a bittersweet ending, Rogi, so maybe you feel like you didn't "win" because you didn't have a happy ride-off-into-the-sunset thing going on
 [23:48] * CK_ raises hand?
[23:48] <@cabalagent23> rogi, not sure if you heard my opening comments and earlier replies
 [23:48] <@Bruce> i just mean scope/scale adjustments
 [23:48] * Rogi makes a note to ask MG about book drops, later.
[23:48] <@Bruce> re what you set out to do
 [23:48] <Rogi> One more question...
[23:48] <MountainGirl> oh dear lord.
[23:48] <@cabalagent23> but your question goes to the heart of what i feel is a problem with the ARG genre right now
 [23:48] <@Bruce> as he mentiuoned a the very beginning
 [23:49] <@cabalagent23> people wanting these experiences to be straight forward games, with everything defined, explained, and with winners and losers
 [23:49] <@cabalagent23> life isnt like that and neither are the stories i create
 [23:49] <@konamouse> i hate competition in ARG
[23:49] <CK_> Sometimes the hero wears black and sometimes nobody wins
[23:49] <@konamouse> i believe it should be about collaboration & cooperation
[23:49] <!Addlepated> Ex, all games have obstacles - some technical, some personal, and so on :)
 [23:49] <@enaxor> ty addie
[23:50] <@cabalagent23> i want to produce more alternate reality and less game but still make it an interactive and immersive experience
 [23:50] <@cabalagent23> at least with this project that was the goal
 [23:50] <CloudSleeper> it was quite creepy
[23:50] <dashcat> I really appreciate all the work you all did on this game. You are a great team
[23:50] <@cabalagent23> next question Rogi?
 [23:50] <Rogi> well said, sir. I wish I had known that, going in.
[23:50] <Rogi> No. that covered it. Thanks for all the hard work, to all of you.
[23:51] <@Nos> Thanks Dash
[23:51] * CK_ has one last question, when all is said and done... agrees with dash, too n.n
[23:51] <@cabalagent23> thank you rogi, and dash, for that comment
 [23:51] <@cabalagent23> six, question?
 [23:51] <Six> Just a stock question here that I may have missed in the first half hour: what did you feel worked best and what, well, didn't?
[23:51] <@Bruce> Would say it's about making the players agents in the construction of a compelling narrative versus contestants in an obstacle course, Dave?
[23:52] <@cabalagent23> yes thats a good summarization, bruce
 [23:52] <@cabalagent23> six, some of the puzzles didnt work as well as i would have liked, and for that i blame myself
 [23:52] * RedHatty raises hand
[23:52] <@cabalagent23> i think the act of creating 100 puzzles in a few weeks for the OVER THE HEDGE hedgegames site burned out my puzzlemaker
 [23:53] <@cabalagent23> ;)
 [23:53] <Six> hahaha
[23:53] <@cem> lol
 [23:53] <CK_> hehe
[23:53] <@Nos> As it would anyones
[23:53] * konamouse never did win anything in that game
[23:53] <@cabalagent23> some of the video stuff didnt come off quite like i planned it to
 [23:53] * RedHatty didn't win anything either, but enjoyed it
[23:53] <@cabalagent23> and the DITB site storyline never fully came to fruition either
 [23:53] <@cabalagent23> due to time and money constraints
 [23:53] <CK_> don' worry Dave, we ignored the mouse pointers ;)
[23:54] <@konamouse> yeah, that kinda was just extra fluff, huh?
[23:54] <@konamouse> or did we miss the point?
[23:54] <@cabalagent23> both i loved the spec that rogi, sylvia, radhatty and others did on the weirder aspects of the game
 [23:55] <@cabalagent23> some of it was right on target
 [23:55] <@Nos> Yeah, it was pretty cool
[23:55] <@cabalagent23> i thought the live drops and the masks were beautifully done for the most part
 [23:55] <Rogi> But so draining without some confirmation.
[23:55] <@cabalagent23> and was thrilled that i actually got Joe Matheny, the originator of the old Ongs Hat stuff to be involved in the LA one
 [23:55] * pixie[ctw_pm_chat] loves her live meet, and is still a bit sorry about gizmo
[23:56] <!Addlepated> I was so impressed at CK and RH coming out to Austin from hundreds of miles away - not even WIBS accomplished that kind of thing
 [23:56] <CK_> n.n
[23:56] <@cabalagent23> talk about meta-reality and fact / and fiction merging
 [23:56] <@enaxor> hehe we couldn't even get people to cross town in wibs
[23:56] <RedHatty> That was a blast!
[23:56] <@Bruce> Hey, I met a secret agent 10 blocks from my apartment for WIBS.
 [23:56] * konamouse is bummed about missing out, but happy newbies got the chance.
[23:56] <@Bruce> That was far.
 [23:56] <!Addlepated> speaking of which, if you played WIBS and want to know who TheArmofAddie is...
 [23:56] * Addlepated pokes Bruce
 [23:57] <@Bruce> ;)
 [23:57] <@enaxor> hahaha bruce
[23:57] <@Bruce> it was on the way home from work.
 [23:57] <@Nos> lol
[23:57] <@cabalagent23> who else had questions?
 [23:57] <RedHatty> I did
[23:57] * CK_ did, when all others are done :)
[23:58] <RedHatty> You mentioned that we did cause more changes in the original story line than we are aware of, would you please share some of those with us?
[23:58] <@cabalagent23> go ahead redhatty
 [23:58] <@cabalagent23> oops ok
 [23:58] <@Toenolla> :o
 [23:58] <CK_> :P
[23:58] <!Addlepated> y'all got poor Keith arrested at GWG
 [23:58] <@Nos> lol
[23:58] <!varin> You ratted out Wes :P
 [23:58] <RedHatty> Who did that?
[23:58] <drizjr> :P
[23:58] <MountainGirl> How'd ya like my daughter's portrayal of Meaghan?
[23:59] <Sandra> Not all of us ratted him out. :)
[23:59] <@cabalagent23> well yes, thats one thing
 [23:59] <!Addlepated> it only takes a spark
 [23:59] <@cem> only takes one
 [23:59] <@cabalagent23> keith was caught because of you
 [23:59] <@cem> ;)
 [23:59] <@konamouse> that was fun, setting up the fake phone calls.
[23:59] <MountainGirl> It was only done through a vote
[23:59] <@Bruce> You convinced us that books are totally worth having around.
[23:59] <@cabalagent23> the library was saved because of you
 [23:59] <!Addlepated> heh
 [23:59] <!varin> hahaha
 [23:59] <MountainGirl> I didn't go off on a tangent
[23:59] <@enaxor> did keith ever get my voicemail?
[23:59] <@cem> I support this petition because th15 15 h0w p30pl3 wh0 l34rn 70 r34d 0n th31n73rn37 l34rn 70 sp3ll.
 [23:59] <dashcat> Well who would have thought keith would be silly enough to go to GWG?
[23:59] <@cem> cracked me up
 [23:59] <MountainGirl> right
[23:59] <@cabalagent23> the role mystes played was changed because of you
 Session Start: Fri Oct 06 00:00:02 2006
Session Ident:#ctw
[00:00] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> Gizmo has a question.... {he just climbed up on my lap}
[00:00] <MountainGirl> because of who?
[00:00] <@cabalagent23> the way sam's sex change was explained was changed becuase of you
 [00:00] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> he wants to know if he can play more "dave games" soon
[00:00] <@cabalagent23> the players as a whole
 [00:00] <!Addlepated> he means "y'all" but he's a yankee
 [00:00] <@Toenolla> hehe
 [00:00] <RedHatty> he he
[00:00] <@Bruce> the stars at night are big and bright...
 [00:00] * pixie[ctw_pm_chat] did not rat out keith
[00:01] <@Nos> Some of us can say yall with a straight face. *nods firmly*
[00:01] <MountainGirl> oh. dag I don't speak yankee.
[00:01] <@cabalagent23> i was born in texas, addie
 [00:01] <@Nos> lol
[00:01] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> I was soooo excited that the petition got in game mention, and chars signing
[00:01] <@Bruce> i didnt know that dave.
 [00:01] <@Bruce> ha ha
 [00:01] <!Addlepated> but you didn't stay :P
 [00:01] <@cabalagent23> further south then you are right now
 [00:01] <@Toenolla> hehehe
 [00:01] <@Nos> So was I...*grumble*
[00:01] * konamouse didn't rat out keith's real place.
[00:01] <@Toenolla> Oh yeah, I better fess up. I was the singing lady. xD
 [00:02] <@Nos> Yeah, she was excellent too
[00:02] * MountainGirl did but only at through the advice of the team
[00:02] * konamouse loved MG's daughter and was hoping the recordings would be published sometime.
[00:02] <Six> hahaha
[00:02] <!Addlepated> Aglaura/Plethora!
 [00:02] <!varin> I had that song stuck in my head for days!
 [00:02] <MountainGirl> LMFAO
[00:02] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> TOE!!! the song rocked!
[00:02] <!Addlepated> yeah, me too
 [00:02] <@cabalagent23> yes that was great, wasn't it?
 [00:02] <@Toenolla> You can blame me for the terrible songwriting too. xP
 [00:02] <@Bruce> I still can't believe that. I was laughing so hard and was scared i wasn't muted.
 [00:02] <Rogi> Twas a great ditty.
[00:02] <MountainGirl> Yeah, especially when everyone thought it was me!
[00:02] <@Nos> Me too Nick, me too
[00:02] <@Toenolla> Hahahahaha mg!
 [00:03] <@cabalagent23> ck, question?
 [00:03] <CK_> last one?
[00:03] <MountainGirl> I came home to my own plethora of emails and private messages asking if I sang the song...and WHY
[00:03] <CK_> or anyone else have one?
[00:03] <@Toenolla> It was weird. We decided to add the song...what...2 days before the phone conference.
 [00:03] <Delusional> i had one small question
[00:03] <@cabalagent23> yes toe
 [00:03] <@Nos> It was totally spur of the moment
[00:03] <CloudSleeper> I have a quick one too
[00:03] <Sandra> I have a quick follow up on something you said, Dave.
[00:03] <@cabalagent23> ok, delusional, you go first
 [00:04] * CK_ has no problem going last
[00:04] <@Bruce> and when bruce was doing his prepared speech somebody (addie?) cut and pasted from the player chat into our chat all the nasty things y'all were saying about him while i was still talking. It was hard not to laugh then, too.
[00:04] <Delusional> what happened to the digitalis pre game?
[00:04] <Delusional> that never went anywhere that I can recall.
[00:05] <@cabalagent23> well some people got handmade cards as rewards for that game
 [00:05] <Six> oh yeah, that
[00:05] <@cabalagent23> but only about half of them were completed
 [00:05] * Six never got nothing
[00:05] <@cabalagent23> before i got sucked up into WIBS and OVER THE HEDGE work
 [00:05] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> my numbers were never called, i felt sad
[00:05] <@Nos> Dave has been a busy bee
[00:06] <Delusional> yeah, I was under the impression there was something eles foir those that "up'ed the ante"
[00:07] <@enaxor> delusional that was the gamble :p
[00:07] <@cabalagent23> anyone who didnt get a ctw pop up card and played the little pre-game thing can email me if they like
 [00:07] <@cabalagent23> and ill send them a little present
 [00:07] <Delusional> woohoo
[00:07] <@enaxor> hehe
[00:08] <CK_> damn
[00:08] <Six> yay
[00:08] <@cabalagent23> cloud? next question?
 [00:08] <dashcat> I have no idea what the pre game was. I must have missed that
[00:08] <CloudSleeper> a little ot but I was fairly impressed with all the websites and wanted to know if there was a single person responsible for that (geek question, yes I code :P)
[00:08] <Delusional> that was it:) thanks to all the pm's for the great game!
[00:08] <@enaxor> no you didn't dash
[00:08] <!Addlepated> lots of different people worked on the sites
 [00:08] <@cabalagent23> thanks. delusional
 [00:09] <@Toenolla> The websites were a team effort
 [00:09] <!Addlepated> Dave did the flash ones
 [00:09] <Mapmaker> I have a quickie, too, if possible
[00:09] <@cabalagent23> yes, the sites were made by three or four of us basically
 [00:09] <dashcat> Ex is playing the role of my memory since I don't have one
[00:09] <@enaxor> lol
[00:09] <!Addlepated> I did some, Varin did some, Toe did soe
 [00:09] <CloudSleeper> well good job, far better than the standard non backed (too much) ARG
[00:09] <@Nos> Nos didn't, cause Nos can't code...
[00:09] <@cabalagent23> thanks cloud
 [00:09] <CloudSleeper> np
[00:10] <!Addlepated> if you want to know about any in particular, ask me later :)
 [00:10] <CloudSleeper> thats it for me
[00:10] * cem doesn't code she just vets
 [00:10] <CloudSleeper> taps next person
[00:10] <@cabalagent23> sandra?
 [00:10] <Sandra> You mentioned that we changed the way Sam's sex change was handled, can you elaborate on that and tell us
[00:10] <Sandra> how it would have been handled originally?
[00:10] <@cabalagent23> oy
 [00:10] <@Nos> lol
[00:10] <Sandra> And in addition - thank you all for so much enjoyment.
[00:10] <@cabalagent23> ive got a big mouth ;)
 [00:11] <@cabalagent23> just kidding
 [00:11] <@cem> thta's why it's so great working as a team, some code, some provide content, some vet...lol
 [00:11] <Sandra> You opened it - now you have to spill the beans. :)
[00:11] * CK_ hands Dave a rolled up newspaper labeled "Beat Stick"
[00:11] <@cem> oops sorry i'm delayed
 [00:11] <@cabalagent23> ok heres a funny story
 [00:11] <@cabalagent23> when i wrote the ctw comic story sam was a male
 [00:12] <@cabalagent23> just like in ctw1
 [00:12] <@cabalagent23> the artists decided they liked sam as a female better and drew a few pages that way to "sell me" on the idea
 [00:13] <@cabalagent23> and it turned out, i did like it better for the ctw1 retelling
 [00:13] <@cabalagent23> sam as a female worked for the comic book
 [00:13] <@cabalagent23> so it then became a matter of how to explain it in the ARG
 [00:13] <@cabalagent23> lol
 [00:13] <Sandra> :)
[00:14] <@cabalagent23> part of my intent all along was to make the player experience in ctw2 mimic the character experience to some extent
 [00:14] <@cabalagent23> in other words
 [00:14] <@cabalagent23> as dale and the others began to remember things and question their memeories
 [00:15] <@cabalagent23> i wanted the players to do that too
 [00:15] <@cabalagent23> like "wait a minute, did this happen in ctw1?"
 [00:15] <@cabalagent23> this isnt the same, and so on
 [00:15] <Sandra> Been there quite often.
[00:15] <@cabalagent23> so sam being a female was intentionally part of that shake up and confusion
 [00:15] <Sandra> (I think I read Varin's CTW1 recap through several times)
[00:16] <@cem> funny: <Mapmaker> swf, seeking disembodied face for ltr
 [00:16] <!varin> I apologize that I didn't make that a sexier looking recap
 [00:16] <Mapmaker> :-D
[00:16] <@cabalagent23> originally, her change was just going to be explained away as something that happened when the end of ctw1 occured and everything changed; it wasnt until later that i began thinking about how to wrok that change
 [00:16] <Sandra> varin - it was great for searching. lol Which I did a *lot* of.
[00:17] <@cabalagent23> into the storyline
 [00:17] <Sandra> Kewl.
[00:17] <@cabalagent23> thats one other point i wanted to make
 [00:17] <CloudSleeper> ditto, thank you varin
[00:18] <@cabalagent23> in case you didnt notice, the sequel in which everything was different was planned from the very end of ctw1
 [00:18] <@cabalagent23> i intentionally didnt reverse things as if the original wish had been eliminated
 [00:18] * CK_ nods sagely
[00:18] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> cem - you led me to my next question... do we get a players highlights page?
[00:18] <@cabalagent23> instead, there were clues planted even then that the wish instead of reversing his wish actually answered many
 [00:19] <@Bruce> Good use of adverb, CK.
 [00:19] <@Bruce> :)
 [00:19] <CK_> hehe :)
[00:19] <@cabalagent23> setting up the premise of the sequel
 [00:19] <@cabalagent23> follow up or next question?
 [00:19] <Sandra> Dave, thank you for explaining that. It's one of the several things I just couldn't quite figure out.
[00:20] <Sandra> Just thank you again for so much enjoyment. For me the interaction with the characters is what makes this so enjoyable.
[00:20] <@cabalagent23> you are welcome sandra
 [00:20] <Sandra> It's nice to step out of this reality into something else - even if it is a creation of your warped mind. <g>
[00:20] <@cabalagent23> it makes it worthwhile to know people enjoyed themselves
 [00:20] <Pagrashtak> I'd also like to say thank you to the entire team. This was my first ARG, and you made it a very enjoyable experience.
[00:20] <@cabalagent23> you dont know the half of the truth of that statement sandra
 [00:20] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> sorry, i didn't mean to ask my question just then, i had typed in in, and looked away, i must have hit enter on instinct
[00:21] * CK_ nodnods and agrees wholeheartedly
[00:21] <RedHatty> very much so, just *wish* it didn't have to end
[00:21] <@cabalagent23> thank you pagrashtak
 [00:21] <Sandra> lol Dave. I'm done. :)
[00:21] <Pagrashtak> The other players also made this a lot of fun too, so thanks to you also.
[00:21] <@Bruce> don't wish too hard, Red...
 [00:21] <@cabalagent23> i admit to being tired of typing your name and making sure it was correct pagrashtak
 [00:21] <@cabalagent23> lol
 [00:21] <CloudSleeper> no more e-mails *cries*
[00:21] <Sandra> And to the characters - I hope we gave you some enjoyment. :)
[00:21] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> i wish and i believe... didn't make the game keep going :-(
[00:22] <Pagrashtak> heh, I think a lot of people have that problem.
[00:22] <@Nos> You really did...Hehe
[00:22] <@cabalagent23> any more questions besides ck's?
 [00:22] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> Sandra, again, leads to my question of... do we get a highlights page, what did we say or do that just cracked you guys up?
[00:22] <Pagrashtak> My favorite was "Pagrashat", I won't say who. ;)
[00:22] <Sandra> lol
[00:22] <@cabalagent23> lol, we'll work on aplayers highlight page pixie
 [00:22] <@enaxor> one question about barrensoul pages that led to wes' website, although driz found the website by psychic connection, what was hidden in the two pages wes gave to dale and sam>
[00:22] <MountainGirl> I'm not only going to miss the interaction between characters, but the community that has formed around the game
[00:22] <!Addlepated> I was going to make a quotes page but ran out of time
 [00:23] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> MG: that community doesn't really go away, i still annoy the hell outta rungy every time i see him. And if rob wasn't so busy, i'd still be on him to finish the quige
[00:23] <@cabalagent23> enaxor, those two pages gave the roman bern name and barren wording that would have made the site foindable through google
 [00:23] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> quige = the guide for UH
[00:23] <@cem> I'm working on something, i hadn't yet presented it to th eteam, but if they like it, maybe by sunday/monday
 [00:23] <@cabalagent23> findable*
 [00:23] <@cabalagent23> but the site could also have been found before that too
 [00:23] <@enaxor> ah
[00:24] <@cabalagent23> from a few other barren + soul mentions
 [00:24] <@enaxor> I saw roman bern only after the pages were added to barrensoul
[00:24] <!varin> Iris mentioned "barren" and "soul" together a few times ;)
 [00:24] <@cabalagent23> the barren soul bookn was originally going to be an actual, printed piece
 [00:25] <@enaxor> I was so happy to see "I am Wes Keeler" I almost peeed my pnats
[00:25] <@cabalagent23> with puzzles hidden on every page
 [00:25] <@cem> lol
 [00:25] <KungeRutta> pixie: hehe
 [00:25] <@enaxor> pants even
[00:25] <@cem> and thankfully dave didn't kill him off
 [00:25] <@cem> or did he?
 [00:25] <@cem> lol
 [00:25] <MountainGirl> your pnats? sounds uncomfortable
[00:25] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> love ya runge
[00:25] <CK_> hehe
[00:25] <@enaxor> oh I so wanted that to be a real book like dead poems
[00:25] <KungeRutta> :)
 [00:25] <Sandra> No - Wes is not dead. lol
[00:25] * pixie[ctw_pm_chat] imitates sin BUY MY BOOK
[00:25] <@cabalagent23> but the project ran out of $$ when i was forced to finance everything instead of new fiction
 [00:26] <Sandra> :(
[00:26] <@cem> yah it's cool to know that people have copies of poems you wrote
 [00:26] <@enaxor> aw :(
[00:26] <CK_> :(
[00:26] <@cem> sandra: are you sure?
 [00:26] <@cem> ;)
 [00:26] <Sandra> Oh, hush. <g>
[00:26] <@cem> lol
 [00:26] <@Bruce> i like how the blue makes the sad faces look sad AND cold
 [00:26] <Sandra> In *my* universe he is. <g>
[00:27] <@cabalagent23> wes keeler is going to be a character in The Egg actually
 [00:27] <Sandra> :)
[00:27] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> nick: blue huh?
[00:27] <@cabalagent23> although he's not quite the same person ;)
 [00:27] <@cem> lol
 [00:27] <Sandra> ARGH!
[00:27] <CloudSleeper> is that an independent movie? What company?
[00:27] <@cem> he's female
 [00:27] <Rogi> lol
[00:27] <@cabalagent23> its under contract to michael mailer's film company
 [00:27] <CloudSleeper> wow
[00:28] <@cabalagent23> as is another script im cowriting :)
 [00:28] <@cabalagent23> but thats conversation for another day
 [00:28] <@cem> lol
 [00:28] <CloudSleeper> congrats!
[00:28] <@cabalagent23> thank you
 [00:29] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> oh, PM team, i have to thank you guys for wrapping this all up before i went on the honeymoon. i would have killed if i missed another end game
[00:29] <@enaxor> I want wes to use the word enaxor somewhere in that movie ;)
[00:29] <@cem> lol
 [00:29] <RedHatty> My first ARG, it will always hold a special place, but to get to know the folks here at unfiction, that has been priceless (except maybe for Dave). Thank you to all the Team & to all the UF-ers, you have all been a great bunch!
[00:29] <@Toenolla> hehehe
 [00:29] <Mapmaker> can I ? quickly?
[00:29] <@cabalagent23> go for it?
 [00:30] <Mapmaker> how long did it take to come up with all the AIN content?
[00:30] <@cem> lol
 [00:30] * varin points at cem
 [00:30] <@cem> a longfreakintime
 [00:30] <@cabalagent23> cem was working on that forever, with some help
 [00:30] <CloudSleeper> LOL
[00:30] <RedHatty> I would imagine
[00:30] <@cabalagent23> but she did the majority of it
 [00:30] <@cem> it was intensive, exhasutive....
 [00:30] <!Addlepated> she picked out all the pictures
 [00:31] <RedHatty> and very we3ll done cem!
[00:31] <!Addlepated> she KNEW what they looked like
[00:31] <@cabalagent23> i thought that was a nother highlight of the game, the incorporation of that community site actually
 [00:31] <@konamouse> love that attention to detail.
[00:31] <@cem> thank god i got some help near the end....it was a crazy lot of manhours
 [00:31] * Rogi thought some of those pics might have been PMs
[00:31] <@cabalagent23> but it could have been utilized even more
 [00:31] <Mapmaker> I was very impressed
[00:31] <@cem> thank you
 [00:31] <Mapmaker> who else noticed the people two people with the stories about each other but who didn't know who they were?
[00:32] <Mapmaker> just curious :-)
[00:32] <RedHatty> I did! the Ice tea couple
[00:32] <Mapmaker> yeah
[00:32] <@cem> lol
 [00:32] <@cabalagent23> werent those stories great?
 [00:32] <@cem> that wasn't my story
 [00:32] <RedHatty> I even wrote them about each other
[00:32] <@cem> v I think
 [00:32] <@cem> ?
 [00:32] <Mapmaker> I did too, Red :-)
[00:32] <!varin> was it me? Or Addie? lol, I can't remember
 [00:32] <!Addlepated> that was mine ;)
 [00:32] <RedHatty> nice touch Addie
[00:32] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> i worked so hard on my AIN profile, and then logged in maybe all of four times. i felt so bad... i just didn't understand it
[00:32] <!Addlepated> thanks :)
 [00:33] <@cem> i knew when they started getting messaged that you all were definitely reading content
 [00:33] <@cem> and not just skimmin
 [00:33] <!Addlepated> the reply window was waaaaaaaaaaaaay too small
 [00:33] <Mapmaker> the AIN backstories were great, definitely
[00:33] * varin nods
 [00:33] <@cabalagent23> yes
 [00:33] <RedHatty> teehee Dave even watched my little video
[00:33] <@cabalagent23> yes that was great
 [00:33] <@cem> it was fun creating a whole community
 [00:33] <!varin> I liked replied via that over emails though. The responses looked longer in the tiny window. :P
 [00:33] <CK_> I'll bet
[00:33] <@cem> a town
 [00:33] <dashcat> I tried to get the pharmacist and the waitress together
[00:34] <@cem> lmao
 [00:34] <@cabalagent23> lol
 [00:34] <!varin> geez, where's my english today?
 [00:34] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> I ran out of room in my "occupation" section, i was trying to be the PA for Ed Vargas
[00:34] <@konamouse> my parents wouldn't talk to me. :)
[00:34] <@enaxor> lol
[00:34] <@Nos> lol
[00:34] <@enaxor> at times I wish my didn
[00:34] <@enaxor> 't
[00:34] <@cem> lol kona
 [00:34] <@Toenolla> hehehe
 [00:34] <@cabalagent23> ok any more questions?
 [00:34] <CK_> just mine?
[00:34] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> if my mom would just stop talking to me, my wedding would go smoother
[00:34] <@cem> lol
 [00:34] <@cabalagent23> lol pixie
 [00:35] <@Toenolla> *snerk*
 [00:35] <CK_> heh
[00:35] <@cabalagent23> hey pix, we were at the ren fest on the same day
 [00:35] <@konamouse> i ment, my parents in Aglaura
[00:35] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> NO!
[00:35] <CloudSleeper> loved the thing, hardly logged in tho
[00:35] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> and i missed you!!!!
[00:35] <@cabalagent23> i even had my "I Speak ARG" short on
 [00:35] <@cabalagent23> shirt lol
 [00:35] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> ahhh
[00:35] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> dammit
[00:35] <@cem> actually i think we were going to post something to agnj at one point about your "parents" kona
 [00:35] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> i spent most of the day being bored, but omg albanach was awesome
[00:36] <CK_> so no more questions besides my last ones?
[00:36] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> did you not have my cell number???? i mean, dale did, and keith did
[00:36] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> ck: trying to be the closer? lol
[00:36] <@cabalagent23> ok ck, its time for - The Final Question!!
 [00:36] <@cem> he said last *ones*
 [00:36] <@cem> lol
 [00:36] <CK_> hehe got a couple built up actually :P
[00:36] <@cabalagent23> ok make that plural
 [00:37] <CloudSleeper> 3 hours wow
[00:37] <@Toenolla> fire away CK
 [00:37] <@cabalagent23> yes i planned on working yet tonight
 [00:37] <@cabalagent23> lol
 [00:37] <CloudSleeper> awwww
[00:37] <CloudSleeper> THANK YOU!
[00:37] <@Nos> He never stops working
[00:37] <Sylvia> Just want to say Thanks, especially for this chat. It resolved the "What just happened" feeling I was left with when the game ended with so many unanswered questions. You all Rock! Thanks again, for the Great experience. Be seeing everyone around the world of TINAG.
[00:37] * Sandra hands Dave a full pot of coffee.
[00:37] * pixie[ctw_pm_chat] steals said coffee
[00:37] <@cabalagent23> sylvia, you were great!
 [00:37] <@cabalagent23> thank you
 [00:37] <CK_> k, for the comic, will those who paid for the first comic need to pay for the other 2, or are they individual as well? And will there be a full, book that incorporates all three?
[00:38] <@Nos> Yes, thank you Sylvia.
[00:38] * Addlepated flogs Pixie.
 [00:38] <Sylvia> welcome, and like i said be seeing you guys
[00:38] <CK_> hehe
[00:38] <@cabalagent23> ck, the printed version will be separate products, youll need to buy them but the online version will be available to anyone who bought the first
 [00:38] <RedHatty> sweet
[00:39] <@cabalagent23> and yes there will be an accumulated version of all three issues
 [00:39] <RedHatty> thanks!
[00:39] <CK_> neat
[00:39] <MountainGirl> yes!
[00:39] <CK_> two more
[00:39] <@cabalagent23> there will actually be a collectors version of book one coming out soon
 [00:39] <MountainGirl> right on!!!
[00:39] <CK_> sweet
[00:39] <Sandra> Kewl - and can we get an autograph? :)
[00:39] <@cabalagent23> with both better qulaity printing and some collected stuff from the CTW2 ARG inside it
 [00:40] <CK_> Will the Egg movie have an ARG associated with it, or will we need to find out? ;)
[00:40] <@Bruce> (addie's kidney stones)
 [00:40] <@Nos> lol
[00:40] <!Addlepated> hahahah
 [00:40] * CK_ shudders :P
[00:40] <RedHatty> put me on the announcement mailing list for that
[00:40] <CK_> myself as well
[00:40] <CloudSleeper> yes please send e-mails about it if possible
[00:40] <@cabalagent23> The Egg movie promotion hasnt been decided yet CK so i cant answer that
 [00:40] <CK_> if ya would
[00:40] <CK_> k, thought as much
[00:41] <@enaxor> eww were the runestones addies kidney stones
[00:41] <CK_> And for the very final question of the night... drumroll please?
[00:41] <@cabalagent23> keep goinjg, you are on a roll
 {{{Edited out line from pixie about fiancee having a cold}}}
[00:41] <@cabalagent23> we are almost done pixie
 [00:41] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> k
[00:42] <@cabalagent23> last question?
 [00:42] <CloudSleeper> yup
[00:42] <CK_> Were you in with the original group putting together Incunabula, and if not, how did you get into it?
[00:42] <MountainGirl> good question CK
[00:42] <@Toenolla> dun dun dunnn
 [00:42] <CK_> hehe
[00:42] <@cabalagent23> hmm
 [00:42] <@enaxor> lol
[00:43] <@enaxor> he'll answer, than he'll have to kill us all
[00:43] <@cabalagent23> i was not part of that original group however
 [00:43] <@Nos> With mind bullets
[00:43] <@cabalagent23> my original ctw work attracted the attention of the people who were including
 [00:43] <@cabalagent23> joe matheny, peter moon, robert anton wilson and so on
 [00:44] <@cabalagent23> all of which i have collaborated with since or still am on ongoing projects
 [00:44] <CK_> Neat
[00:44] <CreativeEmbassy> RAW? Really?
[00:44] <CreativeEmbassy> :-D
[00:44] * CreativeEmbassy loves r.a.wilson
[00:44] <@cabalagent23> actually RAW is in his last days
 [00:44] <CK_> Oh, I'd also like to say that I recently aquired a copy of your first book Dave and eagerly started to peruse it. Even got it for free.
[00:44] <CreativeEmbassy> you mean...
[00:44] <CK_> Awww
[00:45] <!Addlepated> http://www.boingboing.net/2006/10/05/note_from_robert_ant.html
 [00:45] <@cabalagent23> and his friends have taken up a collection to help ay his rent and expenses while he lasts
 [00:45] <!Addlepated> they've collected nearly $70,000 for him
 [00:45] <@cabalagent23> yes
 [00:45] <@cabalagent23> i have signed copies of all of RAW's books
 [00:45] <CK_> Nice. Glad to hear it
[00:46] <@cabalagent23> and he has read the CTW comic :)
 [00:46] <CK_> er... about the money... :P
[00:46] <CK_> n.n
[00:46] <CloudSleeper> laaaaaaaaaaast question
[00:46] * pixie[ctw_pm_chat] sighs... sorry guys, i gotta go
[00:46] <CK_> nuuuu! *sniff*
[00:46] <RedHatty> nite Pixie
[00:46] <@cabalagent23> goo night pixie
 [00:46] * pixie[ctw_pm_chat] hugs all
[00:46] <@cabalagent23> good night even
 [00:46] <CK_> nighters Pix
[00:46] <CloudSleeper> so how much are you gonna miss us :P
[00:46] <!varin> gnite pixie!
 [00:46] <@cabalagent23> lol
 [00:47] <pixie[ctw_pm_chat]> night
[00:47] <CloudSleeper> night pixie
[00:47] <@cabalagent23> is that it, ck?
 [00:47] <Sandra> You want more questions? LOL
[00:47] <CK_> yeah, just given CS a hard time of stealing my last question :P
[00:47] <CloudSleeper> OH!!!
[00:47] <CloudSleeper> sorry
[00:47] <CK_> hehe no worries
[00:47] <@konamouse> hugs again! i hope life works out good for you dave. addie - you are ready for your own ARG, aren't ya?
[00:48] <CloudSleeper> didn't see I was kidding anyway :D
[00:48] <CK_> :P
[00:48] <@cabalagent23> i am going to miss the game and the players although im excited to move on to my new projects too
 [00:48] <@konamouse> bruce - big hugs to my old buddy (even if you were played by a different BTS person this time around).
[00:48] <@enaxor> gotta run soon too, but wanted to say, thanks for all the work you guys put in for us, I look forward to the next project.
[00:48] <!Addlepated> heh, I don't have the time to do anything on my own.. I'm going back to college
 [00:48] <@Bruce> Bruce is off to wander the night. Thanks everyone for playing and caring and all the good stuff.
 [00:48] <@Bruce> :)
 [00:48] <drizjr> Thank you, Dave and team, for hours of enjoyment and immersion! :)
[00:48] <@Nos> Night Nick.
[00:48] <y2kbozo> Thank you Dave and all the PM's for another great ride.
[00:48] <MountainGirl> Last question=What will we do without you?
[00:48] <MountainGirl> Thanks for the experience!
[00:48] <RedHatty> about that mask.....
[00:48] <@cem> thank you
 [00:48] <@cabalagent23> thanks y2k and driz, youve been good friends thorugh everything
 [00:49] <Sandra> Thank you to all for another summer of wonderful memories.
[00:49] <CloudSleeper> thank you bruce!
[00:49] <@Toenolla> Thank go out to the players again and again! It was an incredible trip!
 [00:49] <MountainGirl> oh no it's mine. Hands off RH! :)
[00:49] <CK_> Yes, I couldn't have asked for better for an official first ARG. n.n
[00:49] <RedHatty> thanks Haley - was great to meet ya
[00:49] <@cabalagent23> mg redhatty and others - details about the plans for the mask and some other ctw wrap up stuff to be posted soon
 [00:49] <CK_> hehe
[00:49] <@Nos> Yes, thank you all so much. You made all the sleepless nights living in JD's head totally worth it. ;)
[00:49] <@Toenolla> Likewise, RH and CK
 [00:49] <@enaxor> cool
[00:49] <MountainGirl> Right ON!!!
[00:49] <@konamouse> thanks for the AGP contest.
[00:49] <@enaxor> thanks guys
[00:49] <@cabalagent23> the posters came out nice, no?
 [00:49] <Six> oh, ans thanks for the poster :D
[00:49] <RedHatty> thanks for all of it
[00:50] * konamouse was istting at the Travis AFB billeting with a little laptop on 24k modem.
[00:50] <@enaxor> yes the posters were great
[00:50] <@cabalagent23> kona i lived at travis for four years
 [00:50] * CK_ patpats kona
[00:50] * Six has his on the wall :)
[00:50] <@enaxor> I'm considering donating it for UF auction
[00:50] <@cabalagent23> went to junior high school there
 [00:50] <@konamouse> the game was fun
[00:50] <dashcat> Aye thanks for the lovely CD too :o)
[00:50] <@konamouse> wow, small world dave
[00:50] * CK_ is on laptop listening to Tom Likis n.n
[00:50] <@konamouse> tom likis??? UGH
[00:51] <@cabalagent23> isnt vavaville the onion capital wonderful?
 [00:51] <CK_> :P
[00:51] <@cabalagent23> vacaville*
 [00:51] <@konamouse> cow town?
[00:51] <@enaxor> dave, did you ever sell any of the CTW posters
[00:51] <CK_> if not, wanna? :P
[00:51] <@cabalagent23> no enax, just gave them away
 [00:51] <@enaxor> I bought one, but didn't know if anyone else did
[00:51] <@cabalagent23> im considering selling ctw2 swag post game actually
 [00:51] <MountainGirl> buy one, where?
[00:52] * CK_ wants the robot? n.n
[00:52] <@cabalagent23> oh you mean the cover posters from zazzle?
 [00:52] <@Bruce> Date with Bruce goes for a grand.
 [00:52] <CloudSleeper> I'll buy too
[00:52] <RedHatty> really - would the digitalis statue be part of that swag?
[00:52] <CloudSleeper> ha
[00:52] <@konamouse> can't sell the digitalis statue.
[00:52] <@konamouse> taht's daves!!!
[00:52] <@konamouse> priceless
[00:52] <Rogi> How much for the box Digitalis was in?
[00:52] <CK_> hehe
[00:52] <dashcat> lol
[00:52] <@cem> so that's going to be a wrap for me, it;s almost 2am and I have to get up with the kidsat 6:30
 [00:52] <CloudSleeper> ouch
[00:52] <@cem> thank you everyone:)
 [00:52] <dashcat> Night Cem
[00:52] <RedHatty> nite cem
[00:52] <@cabalagent23> good night cem
 [00:52] <CK_> Nighters
[00:52] <@Bruce> night cemmy
 [00:53] <!varin> gnite cem
 [00:53] <CloudSleeper> night
[00:53] <@cem> nite
[00:53] <@Toenolla> night cem!
 [00:53] <Sandra> Cem - nighters - and thank you so much. :)
[00:53] <@Bruce> I'm out too ~ thanks everyone and special thanks to dave, the most ordely chaos magician i've ever known.
 [00:53] <CloudSleeper> *reason to move to hawaii, it's almost 7pm here*
[00:53] <@Nos> Yeah, it's about that time for me too.
[00:53] <@konamouse> cloud, which island?
[00:53] <@Bruce> nite y'all
 [00:53] <!Addlepated> night Brucie
 [00:54] <MountainGirl> I must work tomorrow myself. Good night all.
[00:54] <CK_> Night
[00:54] <@cabalagent23> ok thanks everyone, lots of very cool stuff coming in the world of ARGs and ARG-related entertainment projects
 [00:54] <@konamouse> daves over on east coast time also.
[00:54] <Sandra> Bruce - next time write. <g> Thank you for a great job. :)
[00:54] <!varin> it's about that time for me too
 [00:54] <Mapmaker> g'night everyone who's sleeping
[00:54] <CloudSleeper> kona, I am in kona, we have had this convo :P
[00:54] <RedHatty> Just an extra thank you to you Dave, your work on OTH had many UFers there & that's how I cam eto the forum & to the game
[00:54] <Rogi> nite, all.
[00:54] <RedHatty> nite Bruce
[00:54] * konamouse has been drinking champagne again.
[00:54] <CloudSleeper> night night
[00:54] <@Nos> Goodnight everyone, and thanks a bunch for almost a year of excellence, Dave.
[00:54] <@konamouse> ooh, red, i helped you find UF???
[00:54] <MountainGirl> Thanks to all involved.
[00:54] <RedHatty> yes you did
[00:54] <Sandra> Dave - thank you soooooooooooooo much.
[00:54] <@konamouse> kewl.
[00:54] <CloudSleeper> excellence, very good word to describe it
[00:55] <@enaxor> MG, http://www.zazzle.com/search/szulborski
[00:55] <RedHatty> very kewl - thank you
[00:55] <CK_> Yesh Exceelent
[00:55] <!varin> gnite all :)
 [00:55] <@Nos> Night!
[00:55] <@Toenolla> Good night you all!
 [00:55] <dashcat> Kona if you need someone to be your memory, ex is very good at it
[00:55] * varin is now known as v[a]rin
 [00:55] <Sandra> varin - thank you for so much "fun" with Sam. :)
[00:55] <CloudSleeper> lol
[00:55] <@Toenolla> See ya on the flipside. :)
 [00:55] <!v[a]rin> you guys were the ones who made it fun :)
[00:56] <Pagrashtak> So, what about the Mask of Man? Did I miss that?
[00:56] <Rogi> Yes. Sam was the highlight.
[00:56] <Sandra> Mutual enjoyment. lol
[00:56] <@cabalagent23> details about it to be psoted soon pagrashtak
 [00:56] <Pagrashtak> OK
[00:56] <@cabalagent23> we're going to give it away to one of the players
 [00:56] <@enaxor> I thank Sarah for making look up word definitions
[00:56] * MountainGirl is now known as Mount[a]inGirl
[00:57] <!Addlepated> heheh
 [00:57] <CK_> Heh
[00:57] <@enaxor> the word "me" should be in that sentence
[00:57] <!Addlepated> the devil is in the minutiae
 [00:57] <dashcat> I'm just glad Wes is back
[00:57] <CK_> I like how Iris talked about Shadowmen n.n
[00:57] <@enaxor> it was in my brain when i typed it
[00:57] <CloudSleeper> I am out too, jon stewart as well...luv ya all :)
[00:57] <dashcat> Thanks for not killing him
[00:57] * Toenolla is now known as Toe[nolla]
 [00:57] <!v[a]rin> CK: Iris used wikipedia for that one ;)
[00:58] <CK_> Yep, thought so :P
[00:58] <!v[a]rin> hehehe
[00:58] <@cabalagent23> ok i need to go, i have scripts to write and gnomes to kill ;)
 [00:58] <CK_> Yay gnomepunting!
[00:58] <@Toe[nolla]> he's good at the gnome-killin\
 [00:58] <dashcat> Night Dave
[00:58] <@cabalagent23> thank you everyone
 [00:58] <@enaxor> night and thanks again
[00:58] <!v[a]rin> and I'm really going to bed now :) Gnite and thanks again!
[00:58] <dashcat> Be fruitful
[00:58] <CK_> Night
[00:58] <Sandra> Dave - can't wait to meet again. lol
[00:58] <Pagrashtak> Bye, and thanks again
[00:58] <drizjr> bye Dave, thankss again
[00:58] <!Addlepated> night Dave =)
 [00:58] <@Toe[nolla]> Night Dave!
 [00:58] <RedHatty> nite Dave
[00:59] <dashcat> Night Varin. Thanks :o)
[00:59] <CK_> well, I'm out too. great chat everyone
[00:59] <Sandra> Fellow players - I hope we find a way to share another experience like this soon.
[00:59] <CK_> Glad to work with ya all
[00:59] <dashcat> Night CK
[00:59] <Sandra> Hugs to all.
[01:00] * Sandra wanders off to find another fantasy land.
[01:00] * dashcat hugs Sandra
[01:00] <Pagrashtak> Good night everyone, it was fun.
[01:00] <CK_> Gonna try to get in good with his Grace, Norton 1, AND see about Sammeeeees...
[01:00] <Sandra> Hugs, dash - sweetie. :)
[01:00] <dashcat> Night Pag
[01:00] * Sandra is now known as S[a]ndra
[01:00] <Rogi> I'd work with you all, anytime. Hope you feel the same.
[01:00] * CK_ is now known as AF{c}K
[01:00] <@enaxor> thanks addie and toe and varin and all
[01:00] <Rogi> Tell His Eminence hello, from Rogi.
[01:00] <AF{c}K> Aye
[01:00] <!Addlepated> thank you!
 [01:00] <dashcat> For sure Rogi
[01:01] * RedHatty is heading out to catch up om Sameeeees
[01:01] <AF{c}K> Night all
[01:01] <@Toe[nolla]> Thanks nax!
 [01:01] * AF{c}K mutters something about his stupid clone
[01:01] <@enaxor> nax, hehe
[01:01] <dashcat> What is sammeees?
[01:01] <@enaxor> sammeeeees
[01:01] <RedHatty> new ARG - 3 days in according to Kona
[01:01] <AF{c}K> in promising ARG's....
[01:02] <@enaxor> they're same with extra m's and e's
[01:02] <RedHatty> http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=16964
[01:02] <AF{c}K> spelled with 2 m's 5 e's
[01:02] <RedHatty> see, y'all got me addicted after just one go 'round
[01:02] <RedHatty> LOL
[01:02] <AF{c}K> hehe
[01:02] <AF{c}K> night
[01:02] <dashcat> Ok then i guess I'll go look at that
[01:03] <dashcat> Thanks for your lovely masks and hard work Toe
[01:03] <RedHatty> Take Care haley - hope to get to see you again
[01:03] <dashcat> Addie, thanks for all your work and sorry to hear about your stones
[01:04] <RedHatty> Good luck to all in the whatever for the last mask!
[01:04] <RedHatty> Thanks Addie - now I finally know who the real lurkers were :) You & Varin
[01:05] <RedHatty> nite all
[01:05] <@Toe[nolla]> Night RedHatty!
 [01:05] <@Toe[nolla]> Hope to see you again! ;)
 [01:05] <@enaxor> the great race for the mask lol
[01:05] <drizjr> good night red
[01:05] <Rogi> Nite
[01:05] <RedHatty> I plan to - I'll make it out to Austin again
[01:05] <@enaxor> night
[01:05] <!Addlepated> heh, let me know when
 [01:05] <@Toe[nolla]> Hey, I was gonna say that! xP
 [01:05] <RedHatty> I will - I know where to find y'all
[01:06] <!Addlepated> here's my runestone
 [01:06] <!Addlepated> http://gallery.addlepated.net/main.php?g2_itemId=2167
 [01:06] <@Toe[nolla]> hahahaha
 [01:06] <Mapmaker> ewwwwwwww
[01:06] <RedHatty> the broken infinity is the house favorite
[01:06] <@Toe[nolla]> eww Addle, you just had to show that?
 [01:06] <Six> ewwwwwwwwwww
[01:06] <!Addlepated> it's like a kid pic in your wallet
 [01:07] <RedHatty> I still have my gall stone in a test tube - my son gave it to me
[01:07] <@Toe[nolla]> RedHatty: Did you know about the history behind those stones?
 [01:07] <RedHatty> 15 yrs ago
[01:07] <!Addlepated> your son gave you a gallstone?
 [01:07] <RedHatty> no I don't - was trying to ply Iris for info on them
[01:07] <RedHatty> yes, during the pregnancy
[01:07] <@Toe[nolla]> They're replicas of the stones from the original CTW, which played a role very similar to the masks in this game.
 [01:07] <@enaxor> I knew it the runestones are made from addies stones
[01:08] <RedHatty> That I did know - Sandra, Sylvia 7 Kona told about that
[01:08] <RedHatty> 7=&
[01:08] <RedHatty> all right really got to go
[01:08] <@enaxor> later
[01:09] <dashcat> Night all. Thanks again
[01:10] <@enaxor> night dash
[01:10] <@enaxor> oops
[01:11] <drizjr> Good night everyone and thanks
[01:11] <@enaxor> night driz
[01:11] <@enaxor> night all
[01:15] * d is now known as Delusional
[01:16] <Sylvia> Rogi have you got that particle accelrator up and running yet, I'm getting a little low on gold. LOL
[01:16] <Sylvia> see you guys on the other games, sammeeeees looks good right now
[01:24] <Rogi> heh. just looking for some more cable to steal from the power company so I can plug it in.
[01:25] <Sylvia> let me know when it's ready
[01:27] <Sylvia> will someone be posting the chat, if not i'll clean up the log and post as soon as i can
[01:27] <Rogi> Should make an interesting read. I missed most of it.