Session Start: Sat Dec 02 15:45:26 2006 Session Ident: #syzygy * Now talking in #syzygy * Topic is 'Sentinel updates - Sente fights: http://tinyurl.com/y4stqw, Hesh loves: http://tinyurl.com/wxjod | Meta chat in #syzygy, Sat @ 4pm GMT-5, agenda: www.xrl.us/pxcagenda | Honk if you love justice! Ticks: tinyurl.com/yyefw9 | The 13thlabour.tk/ - New Shiny Site | Digg this! tinyurl.com/yx33qf' * Set by lhall on Fri Dec 01 12:53:26 * ARGbot sets mode: +o rose Got some chores to do, will (hopefully) be back in time for chat... hi :) * hobyrne waves at hop, rose, will be back soon... great! * hobyrne is now known as hobyrne|away we have about 15 minutes or so. until? <_SilentlyBroken> meta chat <_SilentlyBroken> hey rose hi <_izzy_> hey rose :) * Cheese|Eating is now known as MasterCheese * _SilentlyBroken is now known as _SB|away <_izzy_> i'll be hereish for the chat meta chat? <_izzy_> yeah yeah we're going to talk about the puzzles. and whatever else we want to talk about. aliendial suggests that after this we should concentrate on one puzzle doughnuts <_izzy_> which puzzle are we concentrating on? pick one I have nothing to add on any of them * skenmy has quit IRC (Quit: Hahaha - I funny make joke) * skenmy has joined #syzygy * ARGbot sets mode: +h skenmy hi skenmy howdy just had to clear out my logs cool, can yo log this chat? did we ever get the last one posted? how is everyone doing? * xnb[o]mb is now known as xnbomb I'm rather annoyed about what? hey xnbomb I cannot sell this bloody Atari At all hiya well, maybe eventually. it isn't exactly cutting edge technology now I know, but I'd expect more than £5 for it, a couple of games, a joystick, mouse and extra floppy drive My logs were 1GB and I just deleted them all :P MasterCheese, maybe its just the wrong time for selling an atari... i mean during a time when everyone else is lining up at 2am for a wii and paying 3x prices for PS3s... maybe sometime post xmas :) No! Now is a perfect time! :-P ah well skenmy I know people who log this channel all the time so no worries. ;) speaking of now... now is also a perfect time to start the meta chat ey? :-P sure :) * Retrieving #syzygy modes... * rose changes topic to 'META CHAT NOW!|Sentinel updates - Sente fights: http://tinyurl.com/y4stqw, Hesh loves: http://tinyurl.com/wxjod | Meta chat in #syzygy, Sat @ 4pm GMT-5, agenda: www.xrl.us/pxcagenda | Honk if you love justice! Ticks: tinyurl.com/yyefw9 | The 13thlabour.tk/ - New Shiny Site | Digg this! tinyurl.com/yx33qf' any burning issues that people want to start with? or should we start with the agenda? or where we ended last time? or I could just talk to myself? something I am entirely happy to do though you may be bored :) so last chat we all agreed that the puzzles were placed by CT and that we could trust the information on them. :D I was here up through the discussion on the shapes ;P lhall: do you have an opinion? i'm still trying to catch up with everything, to be honest * MenZa has joined #syzygy these sessions are very informative though hey MenZa. * _SB|away is now known as _SilentlyBroken hi :) O.o wb _SilentlyBroken should we review? <_SilentlyBroken> :) last week, back at the ranch.. * macmonkey has joined #syzygy * ARGbot sets mode: +h macmonkey OK, numbers were in the last chat, but way-way-out-spec: Five fingers point, the number strings contain '1', '2', '3', '4', and '.5'. hey macmonkey hey rose grr! Coincidence? Probably. we can start with the number strings this time too. the film 8mm is apparently about a 'porongraphic' snuff movie (you'd think a listings writer making one paragraph per entry wouldn't make such an error but then it is a FreeView listing) I don't think we ever got the complete list posted of the strings that were in bold or bigger font. That's all I got :) interesting stuff dysper :) :p perhaps you are having a more interesting convo somewhere? ;) lol I have another question about the number strings they are in different orientations on the card err, cards at least one of them the numbers are straight across from each other. on others they are vertical on others they are horizontal is this important? just inserting random things I notice (didn't realise meta chat was in progress) :$ so dysper what about the number strings? interesting point rose <_izzy_> so could that simply be pointing to us that they will be directions - or something more you got any thoughts? if they relate to map on cards they probably will be significant I tried to tell if the orientation is just because of the card design and it didn't seem like it. I've never really followed the cards (as I don't have that many) I just think that everything about the number strings is important because it had to be intentional do you guys agree? It's so difficult to tell. Minute features might be a matter of aesthetics, convenience, a rush job, or a clue. <_izzy_> did people get anywhere with the ideas re font size and boldness? however, the more things there are to notice the less chance we will notice them all and the harder it becomes I'm thinking this is meant to be fairly hard. indeed, but how hard ;) but maybe that is part of overanalyzing the whole thing I don't know <_izzy_> ixalon worked out how the order was meant to be found by us weren't they just in order? izzy: link? if we look at the text on secret location, we solved it quickly after CT's message cool surely the same would be true we should only need a small push izzy: what is the solve? <_izzy_> ie the CT number order: iirc he said that we took the 1,2,3,4 patten <_izzy_> and then it was the cards in numerical order - but taking that into account <_izzy_> i dont know if its posted - i read it in chat I think it's on PXO * macmonkey finds <_izzy_> mac - am i remebering this correctly? I thought it was just numerical order but that we didn't ever try ordering them 1,2,3,4? http://www.perplexorum.com/showpost.php?p=5398&postcount=92 I mean why would we? what is the point of the 1,2,3,4 order? although it is probably obvious to the puzzle maker. <_izzy_> its the order we got using CT maybe its important to know what move came after which (i.e. re'playing' the game, one turn at a time) <_izzy_> it does seem to indicate 'turns' izzy: yes and that was a great solve. yeah it seems like turns <_izzy_> but i am starting to belive its not risk me too. I would like to throw some random spec into the room possibly related to the numbers yes please do. the puzzle was solved with a grid wasnt it? and CT talks of literature * Bookmore has joined #syzygy <_izzy_> agreed well shakespeare mentions 4 corners of the world..what if we axis the world up by timezones (long and lat) and the numbers possibly relate to the world also hi bookmore really is quite random btw Hi rose :) <_izzy_> shakesphere would like to 'realmes' plus all the worlds a stage with players ;) <_izzy_> indeed - lol he's playing his part hrm. I should try not plucking spec from the air next time <_izzy_> so then are you suggesting we need to turn the numbers into co-ordinates <_izzy_> like CT gave us hehe you mean the numbers follow the quadrants? and then the .5 might really be 1.5? I wonder if Anthrax got anywhere with this puzzle. * MasterCheese has quit IRC (Ping timeout) err, .5 might be 1.5 or whatever number is ahead of the .5, 2.5 etc. <_izzy_> are people thinking that the numbers will give us the 1st finger - ie the half of the world that seems to be the best indication what? wow. I thought we already had that. from the flash... <_izzy_> (mac - has CT ever meantioned shakesphere?) that it could only be the half the world that was snowy when he arrived? I didnt assume that I think the numbers are way to complex to just point out a hemisphere. and I dont think he's mentioned shakespeare which is odd * xnera has joined #syzygy he's one of the most inspirational people in literature I don't know if Shakespeare is his kind of writer though, too linear ;) hey xnera hi rose so can we go over which puzzle people think line up with the five fingers? Agree with rose: It's a lot of information, I doubt its purpose is only to specify which half of the world. cause I think I was totally on a different track. <_izzy_> hey xnera :) okay I think the prescious stones hey _izzy_ ! :) the numbers the minature text the dice and the risk figures missed anything? <_izzy_> the 2nd joker - persuian aah yes hrm the shapes those odd shapes aah yes. I'm honestly not sure how to divide the shapes, dice, figures and the numbers they could be up to 3 puzzles I think * hobyrne|away specs that the paths indicated by the numbers may be like a 'word search' - if we had a big grid of letters, walking the path would give words. <_izzy_> i think the die and the risk figures are one Sorry. Freewheeling. Will try to stay on-topic. at this point, all ideas might be useful. I would agree that the die and risk figures are one. but if so, what do they mean? my main concern is half of world relates to which half? split at which angle? x,y,z heck, we could just pick one. ;P <_izzy_> lol and work from there i think we need a very accurate answer from that puzzle The half which is in daylight :) * rose takes northern hemisphere from the equator plus I'm thinking of GMT being the beginning the world goes round and round and round but where does time begin? GMT <_izzy_> esp with time being so important in ticks I think that is true mac. absolutely agree with him working off GMT. the mini text gives some degrees right? 1. something? I know it's been mentioned but i cant help thinking the numbers relate to +/- GMT some countries are in +0.5 etc. I didn't know that. 0.5 is a time zone? no.. GMT +0.5 but they can come in halves Tehran is GMT+3:30 for instance dont think 0.5 is actually one it's not. <_izzy_> ohh intresting hobyrne is correct * MasterCheese has joined #syzygy Newfoundland: GMT-3:30 <_SilentlyBroken> I lose well, I meant GMT +0.5 Kabul: GMT+2:30 No, 4:30 but we have to be careful not to assume the .5 means 0.5 you don't think it does? nope <_izzy_> i think it might not I've seen other people think it means 1.5 or 2.5 whichever number is infront of it +5:30, +5:45(!), +9:30 are also in use you know Anthrax had an idea about Risk which I will throw out here. or maybe it was colin a that the number strings lead to the same location on a risk board somehow? what also makes me think is the mention that it was almost 3 years just putting that aout there. so basically it was GMT and not BST <_izzy_> mac - you lost me <_izzy_> 3 years taken from ticks right? november/january are GMT yes and BST is what we have in summer <_izzy_> ahh okays sorry, I'm rambling again <_izzy_> no dont worry - alls good well, he did arrive in January didn't he? who knows? * Guest57144 has quit IRC (Ping timeout) the cube was stolen in january the problem I'm having is knowing the order of the turns doesn't help me at all. i seem to think he arrived about now <_izzy_> are you saying the cube would have taken him back/forward in time? I'm willing to assume that he arrived at the same time he stole the Cube. with some sort of time mess uo fair enough it's possible, but we can go with the january assumption for now Any faster-than-light travel (well, *nearly* any) can be used as a time machine. <_izzy_> i cant think it could have gone forward what with the academy being so sure so quick it was on earth do you guys think that the ticks update was to focus us on the cards? on using the cards for the solve of the number strings? thats interesting because it showed us the order we needed? on one hand theres not much that links to the cards <_izzy_> im not sure - i think the focus on the cards was to solve the co-ordiantes NOT the meta numbers except the numbers at the end time is emphasised much more in my opinion <_izzy_> agreed and the time since he's been here Inside the arctic and antarctic circles, time is kinda messed up... you guys don't think any of that could have been a META shout-out to Project Mu? I'm not sure if they would do that or not but Ticks updated on the three year anniversary of the end of Mu. Mu- Metacortechs. Project Mu... sounds like something sinister at Whipsmart... Ah. "Now o?er the one half-world"- Shakespeare no, it was an insanely popular grassroots ARG. perhaps rose * hobyrne|away hears "moooooo" macmonkey: we can find a Shakespeare quote for anything we want ;) true * Bookmore has quit IRC (Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]) :) he's like babel :P but if the number strings relate to time, how would that be? yep. :D and how does having the order help us with them? timezones is the only thing I'm thinking I really dont know I'm trying to not get frustrated but I don't have much of an idea. for the number strings we have: 4 seasons in a year... 1. risk somehow 2. time zones 1.5 could be midsummer, 3.5 midwinter... 3. card waves solstace :O Solstice, exactly. but what would those numbers lead us to? well, any other ideas on the numbers? um... good holiday resorts? you know, I'm doing the very wrong thing of eliminating ideas because I don't see where they will lead. if there is a road with no signs...how will you know where it could lead without walking down it? that is never good in solving puzzles. absolutely :) What else is cyclic, that might be broken into quadrants? Direction, time of day, time of year... what else is cyclic? the Earth? yeah i think the fact there is 4 is significant OR, what else is linear, only from 1 to 4? quaters the phases of the moon? Phases, like that idea. phases of something. the moon syzygy The points in the moon's orbit about the earth at which the moon is new or full. * AnthraX101 has quit IRC (Ping timeout) thats interesting hobyrne|away urm rose <_izzy_> so how would that give us 1/2 the world? sorry * hobyrne|away is now known as hobyrne night or day? no problem. * hobyrne just now realises he's not away :P macmonkey - you don't think the flash gives us any of the five finger answers? they could be duplicative I suppose. i think they were there from the cards I dont think we've ever needed more than the cards mac : you know what - I think that is the smartest way to approach this. lets assume that all we need is on the cards. and since secret location mentions the 5 fingers it's sensible to rule out all thats not on the cards (though we may need hints from time to time as we get stuck working with them) yes exactly also we got arboreal from that game do we think 'arboreal' is the answer to the feature? yes, but is it just another poke I think its a clue to the region I agree to that. I thought the quadruped is feature * hobyrne thinkks of "Between two trees"... so not the "feature"? and the 20 ammot is the final mystery where did "quadruped" come from? the prescious gems on the end of the line card <_izzy_> end of the line was that solved? end of the line (train line possibly) nope I thought that was relating to the PPC subway map. but they aren't on a card... or even another city map? on earth well, actually ,they are mentioned on Mornington Crescent. I think that takes us from realm to region you can't solve it without them. you can't solve Mornington Crescent without the map. true but many maps have similar coloured lines to the ones in PPC like london so perhaps we might need more than just the cards? which funnily enough has a similar layout to the tube map I think this is important actually <_izzy_> yeah london tube and pxc tube are similar but mornington crescent doesnt realte to 5 fingers the 5 fingers are on the cards I don't know what you mean exactly? 5 fingers- it's all in the hand of course we need more than cards A hand of cards? like perhaps a shovel ;) but the clues we need are there and nowhere else we need external tools to solve them <_izzy_> nah dig it out with a silver card ;p but the clues arent elsewhere <_izzy_> agreed does that clarify my opinion? <_izzy_> we have all the information we need in the cards there was also a synchronised release of wave 4 iirc meaning the timing of people getting the cards was important Speaking of what's on the cards; the invisible ink on "You are cordially invited"... rose, your agenda indicated this is 'solved', but I searched, and couldn't find where... <_izzy_> things coming from other places eg CT etc are hints, nudges it wouldnt be fair for people to get a headstart <_izzy_> because we have solved it all so quickly ;) well we're not as intlligent as assumed hehehe purely demonstrated by my tyop well, maybe the puzzle design has some flaws ;) doh sopt the tpyo! * chimera245 has joined #syzygy * chimera245 apologises for being late hobyrne: I assumed it was solved because of we worked out who all the people were involved. mac: do you think the cordially invited isn't solved? <_izzy_> hey chimera :) oh hey chimera :D chimera...we're discussing the posibility of the world being split into timezones or quadrants I havent seen the hiden message on there the number strings seem to be the next thing we need to solve <_izzy_> i dont know what it is either - lol agreed rose And our sanities being split into millions of little pieces... which makes me think its one of the early fingers * chimera245 agrees with rose about solving them, but is not sure about the early fingers the hidden text on You are Cordially invited? It isn't in the thread? chimera: what is your view of the five finger puzzles? Phew I mean which puzzles are they? * chimera245 collects his thoughts what was the 'solve' behind that? Which Puzzles, or Meta Puzzles the hidden text on "You are Cordially Invited" was the plan about the theft. * chimera245 firmly believes that the 5 fingers will all be meta puzzles it had the initials of the thieves, not CT, and the gates they need to be in <_izzy_> agreed chim so what meta puzzles then? But I would have thought the natural progression is in increasing complexity yes but rose..why would someone who arent mind candy have put info on there we dont need to find the cube the question is of redundancy why have redundant information? The most complex of the apparrent meta puzzles is the number strings, so in actual fact I was thinking that may be Feature or Last Mystery why have redundant information? that info is crucial to understanding the cube theft and who was involved, and that it wasn't CT. hrm perhaps it's been a while since wave 1 go ahead Chimera :) sorry. I would suggest that it's not as important as the wave 4 stuff OK My original idea (related to Risk in fact) Is that the number strings would set up a position on a risk board that would point (probably quite directly) to a real world event Perhaps a date. This would lead to a thing For instance (and I do not think this is it), the date of the Battle of Trafalgar would lead to perhaps Trafalgar Square * chimera245 does NOT think it will be that simple * AnthraX101 has joined #syzygy [AnthraX101] Mostly Harmless. * ARGbot sets mode: +o AnthraX101 I am not sure if it is still risk, but I do think the puzzle is overly complicated to give us Half the World or Realm Looking at the Meta Puzzles we have: Dice and Pieces Shapes Micro Writing yeah I dont think it's one of the latter puzzles we should be solving Number Strings * macmonkey has quit IRC (Client exited) Of those, the Shapes and Micro Writing lend themselves to the 'more complex' end <_izzy_> agreed IF of course, they apply to the 5 fingers directly <_izzy_> and to some degree i think the gems come under that catorgy too is micro writing only one card? * macmonkey has joined #syzygy * ARGbot sets mode: +h macmonkey <_izzy_> wb mac :) <_izzy_> chim - you havent counted the final joker - persian as a puzzle either and the gems too. I'm not sure which ones confirm as puzzles so which is the less complex? heheh <_izzy_> i think the numbers are the ones that seem to be the most 'general' <_izzy_> and are what we need to solve 1st even if we stick with the ones we know are puzzles we have more than enough to keep us stuck ;) <_izzy_> how though - i am out of ideas chimera: what order are you thinking of? i know there is hidden writing relating to the gems, which is why it may be important? I think I have now asked 5 questions so i will shut up and wait for some answers ;) it also takes on the style of the secret location puzzle * chimera245 needs to collect his thoughts for a bit, so cedes the floor <_izzy_> i think the txt from end of the line has to be important as well as the card name * _izzy_ nods id actually have a guess that it's the penultimate finger <_izzy_> as the name doesnt relate to the puzzle (correct?) * MasterCheese has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) it can relate to a plumb line <_izzy_> plumb? but its tenuous sp and the gems seem to relate to train lines