Session Start: Mon Oct 06 17:59:29 2003 Session Ident: #caretaker [17:59] * Now talking in #caretaker [17:59] * Topic is 'Come in. ' [17:59] * Set by Caretaker on Mon Oct 06 13:14:12 [17:59] * Caretaker sets mode: -m [17:59] * ChanServ sets mode: +m [17:59] Damn IRC [17:59] * ChanServ sets mode: -m [18:00] finally. [18:00] You've come for answers. [18:00] Oh, hello. [18:00] cayes [18:00] yes [18:00] Are you ready to listen? [18:00] what is going on with the chicago drop [18:00] yes [18:00] Yes. [18:00] Absolutely. [18:01] Go ahead. [18:01] Jake is home. Safe and sound. [18:01] I intend to keep it that way. [18:01] No more emails to NRU. [18:02] He wouldn't share everything he knew with me but Jake knows something is going wrong with the project he is working on. [18:03] I talked him in to returning. He talked to Turgenev and told him what he knew. [18:03] * aliendial has joined #caretaker [18:03] Turgenev has insisted Jake return and they will both search to find answers. [18:04] Jake is working towards a more secure manner of communicating with me as we speak. [18:04] I'm not to call him, email him or visit him. I would ask each and everyone in the thinktank to honor that request. [18:04] What do you want us to do? [18:05] He's scheduled to do his press conference, this is to garner more public attention. After all whoever is behind this can't kill a gentleman who just came home without looking suspicious. [18:05] Do as I am. Watch for the message. I told him how to backdoor messages onto the conspiracy site I left documents on. [18:06] Can you tell us what's going on at NRU? [18:06] The person we used to refer as Reggie is truly Marcus Andover. I had told him to keep his name a secret. [18:06] What is going on with the Chicago Drop? [18:07] He did well until someone pushed him. I have moved Marcus to a safer place. [18:07] * ChanServ sets mode: +m [18:07] Quiet. [18:07] Marcus still has the keys to the backdoor to Acheron. [18:08] Your last chat with Mephisto left him confused. He wasn't sure WHO to be. [18:10] As for drops. When I have more information about when I can get information to you I will let you know. Don't hound me on it. I'll pass along what I can when I can. [18:11] * ChanServ sets mode: -m [18:11] Questions [18:11] Yes, can you tell us anything about NRU? [18:11] * enaxor has left #caretaker [18:11] The project, specifically. [18:11] What has happened to the lawyer who contacted us? Has he been found? [18:11] There's a few projects going on. The one I'm most concerned about is the research into putting object or people into the past. [18:12] Jake was reluctant to give any details himself. [18:12] I found Lake. He assures me he will stay out of the way. He relaxing on a beach somewhere right now. [18:12] Jake said your name is on some of the documents we looked at, is that true? [18:13] Jake was instructed to NOT give information to you... by me. [18:13] I don't know what documents you have or haven't seen. It's possible Jake's seen documentation I don't know about. [18:13] why is NRU trying to recreat what spectrum did? [18:14] knowing the consequense that it brough the last time it was done [18:14] Caretaker: Jake talked about you being interested in shutting down the project at NRU, yet he himself thinking that was not such a god idea. [18:14] The soviet technology was less than ideal. [18:14] good^ [18:14] Turgenev's advancement with the RHIC and other technology has taken 99% of the risk out. [18:15] The time travel project, I assume. [18:15] Has that been reconciled? Do you want to shut it down? [18:15] is there another russian scientist working on this project with Turngeve [18:16] Jake didn't think I was right when I told him this project has the potential of being used for evil. [18:17] I don't know who else is working on the project besides Jake and Turgenev. I've been trying to find out for some time so I can find a soft spot in the team to get more info. [18:17] Caretaker, I am confused - at first I thought someone was seeking our help to find Jake, but he's found. Or maybe to help Reggie, but you seem to have that under control. What do you need us for? [18:18] Hold one [18:18] * the42away has joined #caretaker [18:22] * Retrieving #caretaker modes... [18:22] Phone call from LA [18:23] Oh man, I can't tell you how often LA calls me. [18:23] * aliendial was hoping you were typing long detailed answer ... :P [18:24] I'm in LA, but I'm not the one on the phone.... [18:24] Everything ok, Caretaker? [18:24] assuming LA = Los Angeles, not Lousiana [18:27] Caretaker is everything ok... [18:28] His phone, I suppose, could have exploded. [18:28] That's always messy. [18:29] maybe they asked him if his fridge was running and he had to check. [18:32] List your questions. I will answer them and then I must go [18:32] Caretaker, I am confused - at first I thought someone was seeking our help to find Jake, but he's found. Or maybe to help Reggie, but you seem to have that under control. What do you need us for? [18:33] Who are the 2 guys that were trying to find out who you were from Marcus? [18:33] Should we be concerned about Acheron having our information? [18:34] what more can you tell us about Acheron? [18:39] Why was jake in hiding? Who was he hiding from? [18:41] What did Marcus see that made him flip out? [18:43] Where has Jake been for the past nine months? [18:44] * Magesteff has joined #caretaker [18:44] Did I miss it? [18:44] Caretaker's in the middle, but he's afk right now [18:44] Steff nope [18:44] Magesteff: Yes and no. [18:45] RAMiles: and yes. [18:45] First part posted yet? [18:45] Steff, you missed some but I am posted it up [18:45] yah [18:45] ok RAM [18:45] he wants our questions [18:45] and he will answer them [18:46] * Caretaker sets mode: +m [18:46] * ChanServ sets mode: -m [18:46] damn [18:46] * ChanServ sets mode: +m [18:48] Why do I need you? [18:49] the same reason Jake reached out for help. We can't do this on our own. We're not able to dig, research, speculate as much as a group of people such as yourselves can. [18:49] * Caretaker sets mode: +v aliendial [18:49] Does that answer your question? [18:50] I'll move on then [18:50] " Who are the 2 guys that were trying to find out who you were from Marcus?" [18:51] I don't know that. Know one really knows about me unless I want them to. In this case I think it was people from this thinktank. [18:51] "Should we be concerned about Acheron having our information?" [18:52] Depends on who holds the keys to unlock Acheron. [18:53] It's a system of search engines, filters, information spiders, and databases. I imagine if you had the keys to it you could find anything you wanted to know about someone quite quickly. [18:53] "Why was jake in hiding? Who was he hiding from?" [18:54] He was hiding becuase he was scared of something. He wouldn't tell me exactly but when I finally talked to him about what the project could be used for he finally agreed to return. [18:54] "Where has Jake been for the past nine months?" [18:55] The boy got around. He traveled from place to place. Never staying too long. I do know he was hiding in Idaho for a while I found a reciept for an out of state fishing license in the trashcan when I found him in New Mexico. [18:55] * ChanServ sets mode: -m [18:56] There I've caught up with you. [18:56] * geist has joined #caretaker [18:56] You have me for 10 more minutes. [18:56] Stunned you have I? [18:57] What do you recommend we do next? [18:57] Why do you think it was us who threatened Marcus? [18:57] I can only assume that it was someone from this group. Who else knows about Marcus? [18:58] aliendial, I think we sit and wait for Jake to feed us something from NRU. [18:58] Obviously more than you suspect [18:58] that we can do. [18:58] But you have no evidence? [18:59] Evidence. Who needs that I'm not looking to try you in a court of law. I just want to stop this project before my worst nightmares are realized. [18:59] What is your worst nightmare? [18:59] Caretaker: who or what put Marcus in the state he is in now? [18:59] Oh I missed your question Katya.. Marcus didn't see anything that flipped him out. It was someone tellig him they knew him and where he was from what other people have told me. [19:00] When you put Marcus in the nuthouse, he was already pretty nutty. Other than protection, why did you put him in there? [19:01] Everything I've done for this country and for its people could be washed away with the briefest attempt to change history. I know it sounds horrible but the things I have done shouldn't be wiped away like a colored sand painting. [19:01] Not many people have that sort of idealism these days. [19:01] It wasn't a nuthouse. It was a home for people like him. [19:02] A place to warehouse those who knew too much? [19:02] We needed a place to hide Marcus. His records were sealed and no one knew his real name in the house. [19:02] like a safe house, right Caretaker [19:02] I get the feeling some in here don't like how I handled his safety. [19:03] The question then becomes, did some agency give him those layers of personalities or did he develope them after arriving? [19:03] I'm just worried about him. He was already in a fragile mental state when we met him, and he seemed to get worse as time went on. [19:04] He was already a bit unstable when I found him. He's had a hard life. I can only assume he built layers of personalities to protect himself. [19:04] Well re his safety I guess we don't know who exactly he needed protecting from so it's hard to assess the merits of your choice except to note that he got into difficulty there anyway. [19:05] When I found him I was looking for information about security. I didn't know he built a backdoor in until we played chess one day. [19:06] * Magesteff raises eyebrow [19:06] I hid him to protect him. If the project is being undermined they might find the backdoor. Trace it back to Marcus and then what? [19:06] Fractured Marcus is better than a dead Marcus. [19:07] 1 minute [19:07] If the project is being undermined, they have more to worry about than a backdoor. [19:07] The person doing the undermining is who concerns me. [19:07] who is heading the project, have you found that much our yet? [19:07] How do we get into NRU's email system? [19:07] This Becker person seems pretty even keel but I doubt he's truly got a tip top ship running. [19:08] there is more than campus security on campus [19:08] Turgenev is running the project [19:08] How do we contact Turgenev? [19:08] So someone on his team is undermining him? [19:08] Magesteff you're not kidding. [19:08] aliendial I don't know that yet. [19:08] NRU's staff is a bit military for a university, isn't it? [19:09] * aliendial has quit IRC (Quit: Buh Bye!) [19:09] Hold one. I am pushing back a meeting so I can give you more on NRU if you have time. [19:09] Sure, thanks [19:09] How many of you have emailed NRU? [19:10] * Magesteff raises hand [19:10] we all have one time or another with no avail [19:10] I have [19:10] No luck it bounces [19:10] not I [19:10] we get something about Sobig F virus [19:10] * Caretaker shakes his head. Getting warning about virus protection no doubt. [19:10] yup [19:10] True [19:10] is that a autoresponse they setup for security to detur us [19:10] They've filtered everything in and out. If it's not from a trusted IP they block it. [19:11] Do we know what IPs are trusted? [19:11] * drizjr has quit IRC (Ping timeout) [19:11] Then I guess the question becomes how do we show a trusted IP? [19:11] No faculty member has ever gotten an email from your group. I can almost guarantee it. [19:12] I don't know yet. I don't think we need to. Marcus' backdoor takes us into the mail system vs sending mail to it. [19:12] If I can get Marcus to come out of his shell he can get us through it quickly. Quietly. [19:12] Marcus's backdoor has opened specific compartments, not the whole building [19:13] thats how we found specific docs [19:13] * MidKnight_sleep has joined #caretaker [19:13] I know. He'd hidden things all over the place. [19:13] * Magesteff nods [19:13] NRU looks like a military base without the fencing. [19:13] * MidKnight_sleep is now known as MidKnight978 [19:13] yup [19:13] not all of it on NRU server either [19:13] they evebn do Military things like war games [19:14] some of it is on a conspriacy site [19:14] If you can dig deep enough in the budgeting of different programs you'll see the armed services, NSA, DARPA, and other blacked out programs are funding NRU. [19:14] You can't even go to school unless they invite you. [19:15] We found that out [19:15] Sorry, I don't know what you know and don't know [19:16] If you've sent email, filled out support forms etc Becker's been digging into your lives and you don't even know it. [19:16] Caretaker: do you know anything about a Mike Reid? [19:16] I just hope he doesn't link anything to Jake. He's dumb enough to report to his superiors about what he's found and tip someone off. [19:16] Mike Reid? [19:17] in the very beginning I got a YIM from Marcus saying he was looking for a Mike Reid [19:17] I can tell you the amount of equipment purchased for the Fock Center has no equal. I got ahold of a bill of goods and it reads like a christmas wish list. [19:18] Did you ever find out what delayed its construction? [19:18] I imagine so... what with a synchrotron and all... [19:19] nope. [19:19] we need to dig deeper in the files for that [19:19] It's 7 stories deep. Do you know how hard it is to dig into this clay of the sonoran desert? The feds never imagined it taking so long. [19:19] sounds like nuclear testing [19:19] As for Mike Reid. I have no idea what Marcus was talking about [19:20] Maybe you could ask him? [19:20] what sort of people attend NUR, geez? Sounds like a government training facility. [19:20] If he remembers. [19:21] * the42away is now known as the42guy [19:21] Not so much a training facility but a private and government funded research community. They own tons more land. They hide the research right under the noses of the public. Students never graduate and go work somewhere else. They stay on and continue their work. [19:21] so the students never get a degree when they go there [19:21] then Meghan Starkey knows more than she let on as well [19:22] So an invitation to study there is a meal ticket for life? [19:22] its a giant think tank/ physical application of theoretical science lab [19:22] Some students don't do top secret work. I asked Jake if Meg knew anything and he told me no. Made me promise to not tell her anything. [19:22] Students get their degrees but never leave the school. [19:23] so its a front [19:23] almost a indentured servant type of idea [19:23] Not at all. You could leave if you wanted I imagine. [19:23] But why would you? [19:23] it appears Jake tried to [19:23] and it looked like that didn't make to many people happy [19:24] Not all the work is this deep secret. I can't imagine computer science being this dangerous to research. [19:24] Having worked int he research at a university, this kind of employment security is unheard of. You would be a fool to walk away from it. [19:24] sorta like working for the state and being civil service... [19:24] Jake left when he saw something or read something. As I said, he's looking for more of what he saw to show me. [19:24] the best secure job you can have [19:25] What did he see to make him run? [19:26] He told me, "Something out of the ordinary." And wouldn't say more. He wanted to keep running. I finally talked him into going home. [19:26] I told him we found his messages to Turgenev. [19:27] He softened when I told him Meg missed him. [19:27] Why did Turngeve change his identity [19:27] Anything else? I've got to get to dinner before my friend leaves for Houston. [19:28] Watch CFRG. When he's found something he'll leave it there. [19:28] ok [19:28] Ok. [19:28] k [19:29] If you find something. Email me. I'm always checking it. [19:29] Is Stephen Lake safe? [19:29] I assume so. That guy has 1000 lives. [19:29] and a thousand years.... [19:29] More money than you could imagine. And when I dug for information it all looked legit. [19:30] Just couldn't help wondering who the mystery cliet was... [19:30] Lawyers don't tell you things like that. [19:31] I asked and he just laughed. [19:31] Heh. [19:31] * flavin has joined #caretaker [19:31] who is going to be our contact now [19:31] you or Jake [19:31] Me. [19:31] Do you listen this well during emergencies Ramiles? [19:31] Don't email him. Don't call him. [19:32] evening [19:32] Whoever he ran from is watching him. [19:32] ok [19:32] I do listen [19:32] I'm glad Meg was smart enough to post about my letter to her. [19:32] I just need to Varifiy [19:32] Whomever he ran from is watching me, more than likely [19:32] You sent her the sonnets? [19:32] oh, nevermind [19:33] the CIA letter, sorry [19:33] No. The "29" [19:33] Did you think Marcus would have old letterhead laying around? [19:33] * Caretaker grins [19:33] He could have whipped some up! [19:34] Well if Becker wants to dig into my auto accident he is more than welcome. [19:34] if Becker wants to dig into my life he is more then welcome too, I have nothing of interest anyways [19:34] Goodnight thinktank. [19:35] I hope he shares whatever he finds, because I am going after that sorry taxi company [19:35] Thank you for talking to us, Caretaker [19:35] Thanks Caretaker [19:35] Have a good night Caretaker [19:35] Do you have another name you'd like us to call you, btw? [19:35] and thanks for the detailed info [19:35] You can call me Caretaker [19:35] goodnight sir [19:35] Take care. [19:35] * Caretaker has left #caretaker [19:35] *sigh* but that is soooo over done..... heh [19:36] takecare caretaker? [19:36] ok guys chat will posted shortly [19:36] good and thank you [19:36] ok [19:36] no prob [19:37] * katya2032 has quit IRC (Quit: ) [19:39] * geist has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [19:44] * oc2000 has quit IRC (Quit: CGI:IRC 0.5) [19:53] * MidKnight978 has quit IRC (Quit: )