Session Start: Fri Oct 24 17:47:04 2003 Session Ident: #caretaker [17:47] * Now talking in #caretaker [17:47] * ChanServ sets mode: +r [17:47] * ChanServ changes topic to 'What's Marcus telling us? (Caretaker)' [17:47] * ComReg has joined #caretaker [17:47] * ComReg sets mode: +ao ComReg ComReg [17:47] * ChanServ sets mode: -ahoq RAMiles RAMiles RAMiles RAMiles [18:55] * Magesteff has joined #caretaker [18:56] * Magesteff has left #caretaker [18:56] * Magesteff has joined #caretaker [19:17] * Magesteff has quit IRC (Ping timeout) [19:17] * Magesteff has joined #caretaker [19:35] * katya2032 has joined #caretaker [19:36] Hi Katya [19:39] Hey Steff [19:42] About 2 hours before CT is supposed to show. [19:44] Yup. Wanted to get a seat up front. ;) [19:45] * konamouse has joined #caretaker [19:47] HI Kona [19:47] i have 30 min to wait. [19:48] no... 2 hours... [19:48] dunno if i'll be home by that time. [19:48] i'll log in as soon as he leaves for work. [19:48] Ah.... [19:54] hey kona sweetie [19:54] long time [19:54] hi RAMiles [19:55] i wish i could go to arg to meet you [19:55] guy [19:55] s [19:55] but money is tight [19:55] just found out i will be spending about 400 on a electric ignition [20:01] * konamouse has quit IRC (Quit: booty squeek) [20:23] * katya2032 has quit IRC (Quit: ) [20:37] * LazarusLong has joined #caretaker [21:15] * katya2032 has joined #caretaker [21:23] * grumpyboy has joined #caretaker [21:49] * Caretaker has joined #caretaker [21:49] * ChanServ sets mode: +q Caretaker [21:49] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Caretaker [21:49] Hello [21:49] hi caretaker [21:49] hello Caretaker [21:51] Good evening, Caretaker. [21:51] Am I early? [21:51] * spookykid has joined #caretaker [21:51] no, right on time [21:52] I'm planning on visiting Reggie/Marcus/John tomorrow morning [21:54] have you had any progress on finding more information on John Baxter? [21:55] I'm still waiting for word [21:55] hey CT [21:56] Do you have any solid suggestions about what I should address with John tomorrow? [21:56] Caretaker: mention the revelations to him [21:56] the 4 horsemen [21:56] take the bible that you took from the shelf before and open it to the appropriate pages in front of him [21:57] open the bible to Rev. 3:16 and show it to him [21:57] his chess anaolgies seem to fit with the colors of the horsemen [21:57] read to him the specific passages he gave to you thru the crossword clues [21:57] let me check that.. [21:57] hang on while I get my notes on the crossword [21:58] Caretaker: how much imput did John/Marcus have on designing the NRU Computer systems [21:58] ok, I see where the 3:16 came from [21:59] input [21:59] 3. 1944 Priminger classic 16. WWW destination [21:59] 22. Coffee break hr. 20. WWII prez [21:59] 5. Keep late hours 8. Slangy assent [21:59] 6. TV preview 12.Hard-to-hit barn area? [21:59] 22. Coffee break hr. 18. Excited shout [21:59] 11. "Pygmalion" monogram 5. Tarzan counterpart [21:59] I should go through each passage and read it to him? [21:59] yes [21:59] 22:20, 5:8, etc.? [21:59] yah [21:59] well, try 1 or 2 to see if there's any reactions maybe? [21:59] ok [22:00] he may react to certain words in the passage give us a clue what to try [22:00] he might have had the chance to mark something in the particular bible [22:00] unfortunately, other than trying that, we dont have much more on the crossword clues :( [22:01] see if he reacts differently to alternate copies of it, chances are he'd only pay attention to the king james version [22:01] you think his bible might be marked? [22:01] I can check that too [22:01] thanks [22:03] if you can get an idea of what components are in that facility at nru, i can look into what each one does (if it's at all important) [22:03] * enaxor has joined #caretaker [22:03] Caretaker: does anyone know John aka marcus true identiy [22:03] components? [22:03] he means electronics [22:03] a particle accelerator isn't really such a thing, it's made of lots of different parts for example [22:04] Ramiles: I don't think we have a definitive answer on that. I'm having the background check conducted for his security clearance reverified [22:04] ok [22:04] CT: I don't supposed you recall any more information from your last meeting with Reggie/Marcus that might help us interpret his crossword clues? [22:04] i don't have access to NRU [22:04] Ct: was marcus the one who desiged the system for NRU? [22:05] if you knew what companies they ordered from (rapid systems for example) you could check what was purchased by them, it's speculation though [22:05] Which system? [22:05] the computer [22:05] secruity [22:06] gtg [22:06] * spookykid has quit IRC (Quit: ) [22:06] the one were trying to get access to [22:06] That is an excellent question [22:07] because if he designed it, he had to design a backdoor for himself incase they tried to lock him out later.. [22:07] The classified research is isolated from the publicly accessible website. [22:08] I'll try to find out some details about their setup. [22:08] if you remeber the movie Wargames, usually a backdoor, is a password that is only known to the creator and is mostly likely something personal [22:09] do we know anything about marcus, like: Was he married, did he have a dog, any of his favorite things [22:11] There are substantial criteria used to evaluate security for government systems. [22:11] Have you heard of the NSA Rainbow Series? [22:12] no [22:12] no [22:12] what is it [22:13] how about the Common Criteria Evaluation and Validation Scheme? [22:13] nope [22:13] the Rainbow Series is a set of documents for doing computer audits and security checks, IIRC [22:13] yes it is [22:13] how did you know that LL [22:13] did you just google it or did you know it before? [22:13] 30 years in the computer industy taught me something [22:14] ah [22:14] For classified research, they have to run trusted platforms. [22:14] well, they're /supposed/ to run trusted platforms. [22:14] i know for reg gov job they go 7 years back [22:14] Even the best system is vulnerable when poorly implemented [22:14] so it is a way of showing how secure a system is [22:14] yup [22:15] is that what acheron is? [22:16] i remeber reading a quute something that said "No system is fool proof is it is run by a fool" [22:16] or is acheron the system that secures the system [22:16] * katya2032 has quit IRC (Quit: ) [22:17] enaxor: acheron is a system used to do background checks on anyone and everyone [22:17] Acheron is a classified security system. [22:18] It is likely that they have implemented it at NRU [22:18] I don't think it does background checks [22:19] is there anyways we can get a glimpse of acheron [22:19] so it protects the NRU systems against hackers and such [22:19] who is in charge of the security systems at NRU [22:20] Ramiles, peppering me with questions that I can't answer isn't productive. [22:20] ok [22:21] at least give him a chance to answer the last question before coming up with a new one [22:22] Acheron is pretty complicated [22:22] it uses heuristics and a huge database to evaluate system usage looking for security breaches [22:23] it also provides basic access control and other typical security functions [22:23] who desinged acheron [22:24] I don't know [22:24] so acheron is a like a guardian for other systems? [22:24] so, if I understand you, Acheron runs the gatekeeper function for the secure systems [22:25] That's a good analogy I think. [22:26] I've heard, the bigger the system, the better it works. [22:26] I may have missed this because I got here late, but did Reggie work on Acheron? [22:26] I'm not sure [22:26] it's very possible since that was his line of work [22:26] but he did design NRUs SYSTEM right [22:27] I'm still investigating his former employment and haven't received any hard data yet. [22:27] who was his former employer? [22:28] Ramiles, which part of that last statement was ambiguous for you? [22:28] ok [22:29] NRU is going to be a tough nut [22:29] thats for sure [22:29] Undoubtedly, the answers to your questions will help us figure out what is going on there [22:30] esp since we cant figure out what reggie is trying to tell us [22:30] maybe he is trying to tell us that the RHIC is tne end of all ends to the world [22:30] CT does the government use Acheron and did they commission it? [22:31] But when we're dealing with classified records, it's not enough to have the right clearances. Need to know is just as important. I'll get the answers in good time, but it's not like I can just make a phone call [22:31] enaxor, they do and they did. [22:31] thank you [22:32] * konamouse has joined #caretaker [22:32] squeek [22:33] hey kona [22:34] hi kona [22:34] ct did you find out anymore info on the Kona look alike? [22:35] Caretaker, if what you're saying is true, then to access the classified information at NRU, we need to bypass the Acheron system somehow [22:35] LL thats what i was thinking [22:35] enaxor, I haven't looked into that since yesterday [22:36] oh ok [22:36] and the only way to do that is to get to the backdoor, and the only one who knows it is Marcus [22:36] i think he (marcus) is trying to tell us the backdoor. [22:36] Sometimes the front door is unlocked too [22:36] ? [22:37] is there a login to NRU we haven't found??? [22:37] i see what CT is saying, if the system isnt setup right, you can slip right in with out a fight [22:37] I'm just saying that bypassing is only one option [22:38] i.e. there are more pages in the directory that we haven't found yet (ala purge). [22:38] You've heard of the jokers who tape their password to the bottom of the keyboard? [22:38] yah [22:38] then there are the ones who use GOD as a password [22:38] or 'password' [22:38] or passwords on their PDAs. [22:38] hahahah, "password". [22:38] or the name of their dog, or their wife, or their child [22:39] that's less likely on the classified side, but it's not impossible [22:39] I use my cats name ;) [22:39] but where on NRU is there another login??? [22:39] ya what kona said [22:39] heh [22:40] LL like in wargames [22:40] the guy used the name of his son as the backdoor password [22:40] I'm going to see R/M/J tomorrow. We'll see what pans out. [22:40] show him my picture??? [22:41] I should have more background on John Baxter in the next couple of days. [22:41] see if he recognizes it. [22:41] or the picture of the woman who was shot. [22:41] ok [22:41] can't hurt I guess [22:41] maybe John worked with her? [22:41] ct look around his room for anything that might give you a clue of anything [22:42] paper with scribble on it [22:42] what name is he responding to?? [22:42] what I cannot understand is how she appeared in the lobby of the CIA, not exactly a place you can just stroll into [22:43] I read the incident report [22:43] she basically stumbled past the metal detectors and collapsed just inside the door [22:43] how did she get to the building??? [22:44] Is the CIA building in DC? [22:44] Langley [22:44] did she walk up?? [22:44] drive (is there a car somewhere) [22:44] or was she dropped off, or dumped??? [22:44] trail of blood??? [22:44] but isn't Langley a secure facility? [22:44] <-- CSI is in her blood [22:45] yes, enaxor, that is my point. [22:45] she walked [22:45] but from where??? [22:45] but I think they have an office in DC by the FBI headquarters [22:45] if shot, there would be a blood trail. [22:45] she came into view across the street [22:45] guarded gates before you can even get into the compound i thought [22:45] yes, gates are guarded. [22:45] you dont just walk in off the street. [22:46] enaxor, caretaker said it was Langley yesterday [22:47] thanks gb [22:47] no probs [22:47] Langley is basically spook central [22:47] The intelligence agencies have buildings all over [22:49] any hits on the fingerprints? [22:49] kona, I haven't spent any time on it since yesterday [22:50] well, you drop this bombshell, so of course i'm curious. [22:50] http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/facttell/jpg/OHB_entrance3.jpg [22:52] grumpyboy, have you ever been to Langley? [22:52] no i havent [22:54] They've tightened up security quite a bit since 9/11, but the like to keep the appearance of 'openness' [22:54] I've been to FBI Headquarters in DC, but not CIA [22:54] i used to watch The Agency. [22:54] so they still allow visitors into the lobby without too much hassle, u mean [22:54] Pretty much. [22:55] There is a lot of electronic screening that you wouldn't notice unless you knew what to look for [22:55] that's fair i suppose [22:55] plus the metal detectors, but those are standard everywhere these days [22:55] now you have to go thru metal detectors everywhere [22:55] jinx [22:56] it used to be the only metal dectectors in DC was to view the Declaration of Independence [22:57] anything else before I sign off? [22:57] everywhere else was pretty much open until 9/11 [22:58] any parting thoughts on those crossword clues? [22:58] have you heard anthing from or about Jake? [22:58] Jake is keeping a low profile [22:58] but is he still around? [22:58] Can't say I blame him [22:58] anything from that crypto friend of yours? [22:58] i haven't seen anything new on CFRG. [22:59] the power outages at NRU seemed to have started when Jake returned [22:59] how is Jake doing?? [22:59] He's taking it day by day [22:59] I'm pretty shocked they've let him back on campus [23:01] Dr.Z must have been very convincing in his need to have Jake around [23:02] guys, it's late. [23:02] yup [23:02] thanks for the visit caretaker [23:03] i'll be back on tomorrow or Sunday, hopefully, with positive news. [23:03] Have a good evening. [23:03] you too, later [23:03] * Caretaker has quit IRC (Quit: Connection Terminated) [23:03] i'll post tomorrow [23:03] morning [23:03] i am exhusted [23:03] night all [23:03] * Addlepated has joined #caretaker [23:04] i have the feeling i missed a bit. [23:04] nite [23:04] did I miss it? [23:04] yup [23:04] (*%#$$(*A [23:04] I missed the first part too kona [23:04] ha [23:04] RAM, in a nutshell, what's the important stuff? [23:04] ha what? [23:04] nor much [23:06] not much important stuff today [23:06] kona: in a nutshell the importand stuff is that they maybe a way to get into NRU without the backdoor [23:06] but in a nutshell we need that key from him [23:06] we need to know more about him [23:07] addie do me a favor [23:07] ? [23:08] shoot me your email and i will send you the log [23:08] i am too tried to post it [23:08] I don't have reliable access to either email or posting tonight [23:08] just post it tomorrow morning. [23:08] ok hold [23:08] i doubt that we will miss anything by waiting until tomorrow. [23:10] i can post it now [23:10] thank you gb =) [23:10] doing it now gb [23:10] ok, go ahead RAM [23:11] gb but you can edit it once i post it ok [23:11] no thanks, besides, how would i edit your post