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[PUZZLE] #251 - Silver - The Thirteenth Labour
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Langley Moor
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*Groan* Right, so if someone can edit the decoder to ignore the first 16 bytes of data? That's pretty feindish!

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neuromancer
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Thanks for the info ramsfan, I'll take a look at the code at some point today.

In other news, the sourceforge project is live!!

http://sourceforge.net/projects/pxc-hack-13


Based on the comments from ramsfan, it sounds like MC may have simply modified Richard's code to encrypt the message. The sourceforge project and its forums can be used as a central store for all the sourcecode and for development on the code, testing of it, etc so that this forum stays clean of all the development talk.

We may even be lucky enough to have some of the distributed.net guys help out!!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 8:30 am
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Blanchie
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I've just got hold of the next wave of cards and there is an interesting added bonus to number 22 - Cold Fission. If you look at the card under certain lighting some of the letters are different and spell out:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
THE PASSWORD IS YIISTIA


Its not 8 letters but could this be something to do with this card? Confused

PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 6:08 pm
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ricksoft
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Using rccrypt

Richard here - the guy who wrote rccrypt. Just thought I'd post some useful pointers for those of you who are hacking my code.

1. Use version 1.4 for speed. The later versions are more secure, but slower. There is no difference in the encryption engine.
2. Assuming they used rccrypt to encrypt the plaintext without modification, you will need to check each key twice - once with -p, once without, as they will give different results.
3. CHECK it really does work in the Cygwin environment by encoding something using it with Cygwin, then decoding it on a linux box. I believe it should work, but haven't tested it.
4. I probably don't need to tell coders this, but when using a hex key a-f is the same as A-F, so you don't need to test for both. If you're using ascii to create the key, case is important.

I will pop back and read this forum occasionally, but if you want to contact me, please use the contact page on www.ricksoft.co.uk in the first instance. I don't have much time available for coding now (two young boys and a wife to support), but wish you luck.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 10:37 am
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beglee
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I got my hands on a copy of "The Thirteenth Labour of Hercules" book by Fazil Iskander. So, i looked up the 64th page, line 12, 8th word (from the 64/12/8 part of the card). I'll spoilerise this just to be safe:
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The 8th word, in that line on that page, is the 1st word of the following sentence: "I would actually open my mouth, then say something quite different." I don't know if the letter 'I' or the entire sentence can be used as a password to decrypt the message, if it's a clue to the password, or if it's completely irrelevant, but it's there now for anyone to try.


Any other suggestions for obtaining a password from the book using those numbers?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:20 pm
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specterz
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Is there a chapter 64 maybe?

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elbee909
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First time post! Hello. Smile

Have read through most of this thread and surprised no-one's mentioned this re. the Thirteenth Labour - if it has been mentioned I do apologise...



As you can see, the Thirteenth Labour of Hercules is a puzzle (quite a Perplex reference, I think, seeing as they're all into their puzzles). It's a 'large burr' puzzle which contains 36 identical pieces. I only put that in bold as I think it may have some relevance here.

Personally I think the whole decryption thing is a bit of a red herring, it's just not particularly elegant. And hey, look how few points you get for solving this card anyway, how could it be *that* complex?

Another thing re. the 13th Labour - is that in mythology proper, he didn't actually have one. So I was thinking maybe this card is also meant to be a lot less work than people realise. With that in mind...

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Has anyone tried solving this with the answer to 64 / 12 / 8 (as in, just using the / to mean 'divided by'?) I don't think it's a spoiler to say that's 0.6666666666666666 but as I don't have the card I can't test this overly simplistic 'solution'. I think the '36 identical pieces' thing is more of a clue with this one...


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Wasn't that. At least not in that form. Haven't tried 2/3. Still worth a try. I agree that the code might be a red herring, though less sure they'd give us a clue which emphasised such herring.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:35 pm
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specterz
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How could it be *that* complex you ask?
It's a silver card. They are the most complex cards there are. So far, we haven't really solved that much of the silvers... they are hard.
Which is fun, 'cause this game qouldn't be any fun if you could solve all the cards *just* liek that, would it?

Anyway, the puzzle with the identical pieces might be worth a think... Thanks!

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elbee909
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I guess complex was the wrong word; if it's a case of having an encrpypted code to break in order to solve this puzzle, then it doesn't seem like much of a true puzzle. Unless the implication that the puzzle is as simple as guessing a keyword then leaving the rest to a plethora of decryption progs. That just doesn't seem in keeping with the whole spirit of things, at least not to me!

PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 5:54 am
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Mr.C
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Hello all,

I've downloaded the rccrypt program from a link earlier on in the thread, but I have no idea how to use it. Has anyone got 5 minutes to knock up a quick bullet point type list on how I can start testing my ideas on what the key could be.

running xp by the way

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Hey Mr.C, you should download BriEnigma's version or c1023's version, or any of the other versions of that code here, instead as they test multiple combinations of the keywords you enter.

I'm currently working on a massive distributed network system over on sourceforge. However, before I do that I'll try adding Richard's suggestions so people can try keywords individually. I can't give you anything on that till next Friday I'm afraid, as I have lots of coursework handins at uni, and my first final yr project bench inspection!! Confused
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 7:38 pm
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Ashin
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Just a heads up that there's a bug in the original code for rccrypt that clips the last character off of anything you use from a keyfile (as opposed to the command line).

I have my own modified version that I'm using and it took me quite a while to find that problem since I was trying to use the modified code to decrypt a file made from the original code and I was getting nothing but garbage back.

Hope none of you are doing the same thing.

Good luck on this one all, fun to poke at, but frustrating to solve due to brute force...

PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 3:12 am
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Mr. C
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neuromancer wrote:
Hey Mr.C, you should download BriEnigma's version or c1023's version, or any of the other versions of that code here, instead as they test multiple combinations of the keywords you enter.

I'm currently working on a massive distributed network system over on sourceforge. However, before I do that I'll try adding Richard's suggestions so people can try keywords individually. I can't give you anything on that till next Friday I'm afraid, as I have lots of coursework handins at uni, and my first final yr project bench inspection!! Confused


Thanks neuromancer, anything to help me on my way would be greatly appreciated. I'll keep checking for further replies to my plea, so no doubt I'll see your message when you have chance to post it.

Good luck with the course work chum.... Wink

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tipimike
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neuromancer wrote:
I'm currently working on a massive distributed network system over on sourceforge. However, before I do that I'll try adding Richard's suggestions so people can try keywords individually. I can't give you anything on that till next Friday I'm afraid, as I have lots of coursework handins at uni, and my first final yr project bench inspection!! Confused


Hi guys... i havent been on here for a while, been cought up with other things!!!

Havent got loads of time at the moment to get engrossed in the sourceforge project but as a suggestion it would be better to rely on the chaos therory.... as with the HUGE number of keys working through them will take YEARS.. just like distributed.net .... therefore using random keys is more likely to come up with a correct answer faster... with the millions of keys everyone is managing to check most of the time its only cycling the last 3 or 4 characters where as a random (a..z,A..Z,0-9) key would cover a far greater range and under the chaos therory would quite likely hit on the right one faster than cycling though them all.

Also due to the VAST number of keys possibilities it wouldnt be necessary to log what has been checked as the likely hood of generating the same key multiple times is very very small!!!

If i get a chance i'll try and knock up some code from what i wrote before and the new stuff out there now!

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