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[INFO/SPEC] Organization anyone?
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 		[INFO/SPEC] Organization anyone?
Ok, here's my idea:, let's post updated theories/relationships/etc.
(CAVEAT: None without ilovebees.com proof, please, so no "Well, in the Halo universe..." because again, while that may very well end up being the answer, it's not the subject of this post. Feel free to start a post about Halo-storyline, I would very much welcome it!)


Ok, theory #1 (on this thread, humbly): Whomever has "hotmail hijacked" the info is the "sleeping princess".

Rationale: Hotmail questions to Ladybee777SPLAThotmail.com have been answered by this entity, via the "killer.jpg" pictures' embedded text. Also, we have noticed that this entity has referenced to itself as:
Quote:
I am some kid who wants to get noticed, very clever an instigator an

innocent bystander stored in an airtight container in the deepest and

darkest Sleeping casket in a chamber of the dungeon.

Do you understand this? Whatever you are?


Any disagreements? Please add to this thread with your clarifications of (sound) arguments for who is who thus far...

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 		The other reference to the airtight container ...

Quote:
Question:
Are you the Queen?

Answers:
Knock, knock. Hello?
the Queen isn't an innocent
Dead yet alive the queen's a monstrous verminous bug.
the Queen was wondering how long the Sleeping Princess would keep if
stored in an airtight container. I can only watch from the shadows,
piecing together what I may
Guess I feel the Queen isn't something good
Guess I feel the Queen will be swift and terrible.


This one doesn't seem to be from the sleeping princess, but does support that the sleeping princess is the one in the airtight container. Maybe we are getting answers from multiple entities?
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 		Thanks for postin, Varin! ok, I know this is the kind of thing that people like to do on the Wiki, but I think we can "take this forum back" by being a bit more organized in our posts!

Ok, so we know that

ladybee777=Sleeping Princess

SPDR is obviously the malevolent force, possibly the Queen?
(Who is the Widow, I wonder, who restored the Queen, or is currently helping to restore the Queen?)
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Who is the Pious Flea, then? Because with that info, we have two "allies."

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 		The widows story also had narrator, who dreamed the story. Does anyone no who the narrator was as they may have been one of the charcters in the story, or even possibly the newly revealed assassin.
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 		The Pious Flea was hidden in the story. Hence it was able to survive. So maybe the aid we need is hidden, like the flea. Maybe we should look for something very small. Everything else has been large and distracting.

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 		Also, we have this info on the Spider/Widow connection, from the S.P. (sleeping princess):

Quote:
Quote, Amazing Spider-Man always find themselves in predicaments like this.

The Widow rather... nasty The Widow être simple

Please attempt something for me, You can call me a rational Being


so potentially, what I see here is that SPDR has either:
-Previously been killed and revived
OR
-Previously had to take over a "primitive" system such as the ILB site (or the internet as a whole) to achieve it's goals

(Or of course, the combination of the two, where this has all happened before)

And in terms of the Widow, we learn that the Widow is more of a lackey, not an independent mind... (it's "simple") and therefore not on the same level as our S.P. or I would assume SPDR... I think it is simply a revival program or subroutine of SPDR.

Again, any debate on that possibility, or does this line up as well?

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 		i tend to think that the ladybee777 = opperator = the princess = the assassin. the operator's favorite game is hide and seek, which would be appropriate for an AI spy/assassin. and the queen is more afraid of the assassin than concerned about being repaired. maybe the operator was imprissoned by the queen (put to sleep, a common computer term for suspending a program) and was awaken by SPDR (the widdow in the dream) while attempting to repair the queen after something happened.

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 		Again, not to bash, but this is where I'd like to not deviate from this topic's point... While I like thinking about things, and we can discuss things, I would rather not "brach out" here with theories without textual proof. If you can back up your statement, Samari, with textual evidence, it should be here... otherwise, you may want to start a new [spec] thread. Please, no offense, I just don't want to clutter this thread, is all..

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 		Sorry, Varin, for not addressing your question there! Ok, here's why this:

Quote:

Question:
Are you the Queen?

Answers:
Knock, knock. Hello?
the Queen isn't an innocent
Dead yet alive the queen's a monstrous verminous bug.
the Queen was wondering how long the Sleeping Princess would keep if
stored in an airtight container. I can only watch from the shadows,
piecing together what I may
Guess I feel the Queen isn't something good
Guess I feel the Queen will be swift and terrible.


is from the S.P., and is also from whoever is intercepting Ladybee777's email:

the questions, are those that were sent to Ladybee777SPLAThotmail.com from us people trying to figure out this stuff. Also, my understanding (and someone correct me if I'm wrong), is that the answers come from broken bits of email chatter from that account as well. Therefore, Ladybee777's hijacker is the person who responded to these questions in the killer.jpg files, and through the answers we find that that self-same entity is the S.P.

Does that clear things up?

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 		hmmm.... what if the entity isn't the SP, but is speaking for the SP.

Quote:
Knock, knock. Hello?
the Queen isn't an innocent
Dead yet alive the queen's a monstrous verminous bug.
the Queen was wondering how long the Sleeping Princess would keep if
stored in an airtight container. I can only watch from the shadows,
piecing together what I may
Guess I feel the Queen isn't something good
Guess I feel the Queen will be swift and terrible.


And the quote from Dana's blog:

Quote:
One morning, as Gregor Samsa was waking up from anxious dreams, he discovered that in bed he had been changed into a monstrous verminous bug


monstrous verminous bug seems common there.

The entity seems to dislike Dana (based on the fuzzy pic and the text on it), and Dana seems to be sheilding us from Aunt M....

Maybe Aunt M = SP?
and Dana = Queen?

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Dorkmaster wrote:
Also, my understanding (and someone correct me if I'm wrong), is that the answers come from broken bits of email chatter from that account as well.


That is what I think the current spec is. The questions and many of these answers do sound like they could be from email chatter (from players). Maybe we need to find out if any of this part in particular is from someone's email...

Quote:
Answers:

*snip*

the Queen was wondering how long the Sleeping Princess would keep if stored in an airtight container. I can only watch from the shadows, piecing together what I may


If we can find such in someone's email I think it would be pretty good verification that all of the Q & A's are regurgitated. If not, I think we should look into the possibility that not only the sleeping princess is using the email, but perhaps more than one entity that is in ilovebees.
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 		We're discussing, so humbly allow me to disagree on this one. (although I welcome your post as it follows the idea here, of basing theories on textual evidence!)

I don't tend to think that Dana or Aunt M are any of these characters (S.P, SPDR, Widow, P.F. (pious flea), or the assassin) as these seem to all be enclosed (for total lack of a better word) in the computer "world".

I think humans are humans and programs/AI are programs/AI until noted otherwise.

Also, we have the info from Jack Steele in his blog entries, speaking to Dana directly, and he references a past relationship. Therefore, I would assume Jack and Dana are in fact real people, not the AI or programs referenced to by these nicknames. This could be destroyed later, but I really think this will hold up. (**edit - I also think this applies to Aunt M. She is an unfortunate bystander in this. Since we have nothing that applies to her, other than that SPDR is trying to get to Dana (and obviously is beginning to succeed)**)

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I can only watch from the shadows, piecing together what I may

If we can find such in someone's email I think it would be pretty good verification that all of the Q & A's are regurgitated. If not, I think we should look into the possibility that not only the sleeping princess is using the email, but perhaps more than one entity that is in ilovebees.


This bit may be mine, I'm not sure. I use a web interface for my home e-mail whike I'm at work, so it doesn't keep a copy of the sent files. I does sound very familiar however.

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Dorkmaster wrote:
We're discussing, so humbly allow me to disagree on this one. (although I welcome your post as it follows the idea here, of basing theories on textual evidence!)

I don't tend to think that Dana or Aunt M are any of these characters (S.P, SPDR, Widow, P.F. (pious flea), or the assassin) as these seem to all be enclosed (for total lack of a better word) in the computer "world".

I think humans are humans and programs/AI are programs/AI until noted otherwise.

Also, we have the info from Jack Steele in his blog entries, speaking to Dana directly, and he references a past relationship. Therefore, I would assume Jack and Dana are in fact real people, not the AI or programs referenced to by these nicknames. This could be destroyed later, but I really think this will hold up. (**edit - I also think this applies to Aunt M. She is an unfortunate bystander in this. Since we have nothing that applies to her, other than that SPDR is trying to get to Dana (and obviously is beginning to succeed)**)


James Steele is not in-game.

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 		This appears three times

Quote:
I was looking at your site a little awry
and have found an innocent bystander.
Can you (?)


Quote:
What are you?


I am some kid who wants to get noticed, very clever an instigator an

innocent bystander stored in an airtight container in the deepest and

darkest Sleeping casket in a chamber of the dungeon.

Do you understand this? Whatever you are?


Quote:
Question:
Are you the Queen?

Answers:
Knock, knock. Hello?
the Queen isn't an innocent
Dead yet alive the queen's a monstrous verminous bug.
the Queen was wondering how long the Sleeping Princess would keep if
stored in an airtight container. I can only watch from the shadows,
piecing together what I may
Guess I feel the Queen isn't something good
Guess I feel the Queen will be swift and terrible


I have a feeling that they are teeling us that we have another ally, someone who knows the situation, but who is not directly involved. Maybe we should find them.
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