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 		[TROUT] Come on and get in the boat, fish fish.
Desperation Jones wrote:
To add to the speculation on the nature of Abrams' aliens I wanted to raise this point: Spielburg intended to create evil aliens long before he made War of the Worlds. In fact his follow-up to CEotTK was to be an evil alien flick. Maybe he and J.J. are creating a movie that is homage to a film that was never made, but would have cool and terrifying. Check out the trunacated article on movies that were never made below by Devin Faraci of chud.com. It says it all. Maybe Abrams has possession of those Baker aliens... (full article is here:http://www.chud.com/articles/articles/20181/1/THE-DEVIN039S-ADVOCATE-MOVIES-THAT-NEVER-WERE-3/Page1.html

"Night Skies. For a generation of movie geeks this is the holy grail of unmade movies. It's Spielberg's evil aliens film, the movie that would mutate into the soft and cuddly E.T. But before ET phoned home, he wanted to destroy ours. 
Written by John Sayles, the script for Night Skies came from a treatment by Spielberg. The director was anxious to head off another Jaws 2; Columbia wanted a sequel to Close Encounters of the Third King and, like Universal with Jaws, could go ahead and make one without him. He decided to pitch them a movie originally called Watch the Skies (named after the last line from Howard Hawks' The Thing From Another World, but that phrase was owned by someone else and thus ditched), which was a horror movie take on alien visitation. Inspired by cattle mutilations and the story of a Tennessee family supposedly terrorized by little aliens in the 50s (a story relayed to Spielberg by J Allen Hynek, the UFOlogist who came up with the Close Encounters system in the first place), Spielberg's film would find a farm family coming under attack by 11 (reduced to 6 in the final draft) evil extra-terrestrials. The aliens would work their way up from cattle mutilation to really menacing the humans.

Sayles envisioned the film as a riff on Drums Along the Mohawk, John Ford's awesome Revolutionary War-period film about Henry Fonda and family fending off Indian attacks on their upstate New York farm. Sayles named the leader of the aliens Skar, after the Indian chief in Ford's The Searchers. And at the center of the family he placed an autistic boy, who could reach out to the one good alien in the bunch. 

Sayles' script is like a harbinger of E.T., Poltergeist and Gremlins, but never is quite as good as any of those. There's some serious tension and good scares and then absolutely silly stuff like an alien named Squirt eating a pie while being chased around a kitchen by a broom-wielding granny. The good alien, Buddee, has it out with Skar and gets left behind on Earth. He's very much in the ET mold and does all sorts of cute stuff and hides in a clothes hamper and things like that.

As Sayles was writing the script Spielberg was making Raider of the Lost Ark; apparently as he was killing Nazis the director decided he wanted to do something lighter and sweeter next (even though he never intended to direct Night Skies and had in fact tapped Tobe Hooper to do it); he read his treatment to Harrison Ford's girlfriend Melissa Matheson, and she really identified with the Buddee character. The two worked together on reforging the story into E.T.

But that wasn't the end of Night Skies, at least not as a hassle. Rick Baker had already begun working on the alien designs for the film, and had spent almost a million dollars on building them. He and Spielberg fought and Spielberg hired Carlo Rambaldi to design ET. There were claims of concepts being ripped off, but apparently Baker and Spielberg have come to an understanding over the years. Getting a look at one of Baker's Night Skies creatures may be the only holy grail harder to come by than the film's script." 

I used the forum search button at the top of the page, conveniently centered, attractively clickable, even, and in the search box on the following page I typed in "Night Skies" in quotes, to make sure I got related terms. And hot damn, you'll never guess what I found.

FIRST, I found a [SPEC] thread about Night Skies. You can find that at the following link: http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=7091a61

SECOND, I found a [TROUT] thread from somebody who didn't bother to scroll down the topic list and see an existing Night Skies thread in the lower half of the page. You can find that here, for good measure: http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=709115

And that was just the first two results from the forum search function! It's... so... FUNCTIONAL!

I'm actually leaving for a fly fishing trip in an hour and a half, but I didn't think I'd catch so many trout before I even got into the river. And this is a pretty epic trout.

And now, what you've all been waiting for: Trout

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 		Another post by a guest on a subject matter well touched upon and dsicussed in the past threads.Sad


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 		The nature of the beasts
To add to the speculation on the nature of Abrams' aliens I wanted to raise this point: Spielburg intended to create evil aliens long before he made War of the Worlds. In fact his follow-up to CEotTK was to be an evil alien flick. Maybe he and J.J. are creating a movie that is homage to a film that was never made, but would have cool and terrifying. Check out the trunacated article on movies that were never made below by Devin Faraci of chud.com. It says it all. Maybe Abrams has possession of those Baker aliens... (full article is here:http://www.chud.com/articles/articles/20181/1/THE-DEVIN039S-ADVOCATE-MOVIES-THAT-NEVER-WERE-3/Page1.html

"Night Skies. For a generation of movie geeks this is the holy grail of unmade movies. It's Spielberg's evil aliens film, the movie that would mutate into the soft and cuddly E.T. But before ET phoned home, he wanted to destroy ours. 
Written by John Sayles, the script for Night Skies came from a treatment by Spielberg. The director was anxious to head off another Jaws 2; Columbia wanted a sequel to Close Encounters of the Third King and, like Universal with Jaws, could go ahead and make one without him. He decided to pitch them a movie originally called Watch the Skies (named after the last line from Howard Hawks' The Thing From Another World, but that phrase was owned by someone else and thus ditched), which was a horror movie take on alien visitation. Inspired by cattle mutilations and the story of a Tennessee family supposedly terrorized by little aliens in the 50s (a story relayed to Spielberg by J Allen Hynek, the UFOlogist who came up with the Close Encounters system in the first place), Spielberg's film would find a farm family coming under attack by 11 (reduced to 6 in the final draft) evil extra-terrestrials. The aliens would work their way up from cattle mutilation to really menacing the humans.

Sayles envisioned the film as a riff on Drums Along the Mohawk, John Ford's awesome Revolutionary War-period film about Henry Fonda and family fending off Indian attacks on their upstate New York farm. Sayles named the leader of the aliens Skar, after the Indian chief in Ford's The Searchers. And at the center of the family he placed an autistic boy, who could reach out to the one good alien in the bunch. 

Sayles' script is like a harbinger of E.T., Poltergeist and Gremlins, but never is quite as good as any of those. There's some serious tension and good scares and then absolutely silly stuff like an alien named Squirt eating a pie while being chased around a kitchen by a broom-wielding granny. The good alien, Buddee, has it out with Skar and gets left behind on Earth. He's very much in the ET mold and does all sorts of cute stuff and hides in a clothes hamper and things like that.

As Sayles was writing the script Spielberg was making Raider of the Lost Ark; apparently as he was killing Nazis the director decided he wanted to do something lighter and sweeter next (even though he never intended to direct Night Skies and had in fact tapped Tobe Hooper to do it); he read his treatment to Harrison Ford's girlfriend Melissa Matheson, and she really identified with the Buddee character. The two worked together on reforging the story into E.T.

But that wasn't the end of Night Skies, at least not as a hassle. Rick Baker had already begun working on the alien designs for the film, and had spent almost a million dollars on building them. He and Spielberg fought and Spielberg hired Carlo Rambaldi to design ET. There were claims of concepts being ripped off, but apparently Baker and Spielberg have come to an understanding over the years. Getting a look at one of Baker's Night Skies creatures may be the only holy grail harder to come by than the film's script." 

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 		Parthenon
Many of the proportions of The Parthenon are golden ratios.
I was just looking into the Golden Ratios theory with the audio clip and I found that many of the proportions of the parthenon are golden ratios. so i did a cross search with the parthenon and ET's and apparently there is big speculation that the parthenon was built by or given directions for us to build by aliens. maybe thats what the movie is about? hopefully, thatd be rad

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Euchre wrote:
Ladies and Gentlemen, THAT is how a trout is done!

Thank you sir, following directions isn't that hard. Wink

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 		Nice find RasGold. Thought the Kodakchrome was ultimately going to vanish. Fortunately Kodak seems to stick to their past and build upon it:).

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 		Somehwat Interesting [flashback]
Kodak re-introduces Super 8mm film
From April 6, 2010!
http://motion.kodak.com/US/en/motion/about/news/2010/Apr06_1.htm

DATE:_____ TITLE:_____ PROCESSED BY KODAK:_________
"Many of today's great cinematographers and directors began their careers at the counter of their local photo shop, buying a cartridge of Super 8 film, ... But KODAK Ektachrome 100D Color Reversal Film offers filmmakers image quality far beyond that of the familiar home movie format of the 1960s, ..."

I'm just pointing out the coincidence of Kodak re-introducing Super 8 film at about the time J.J. and Spielberg would have been working on their trailer.
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I was just thinking that everyone keeps talking about JJ saying it's in no way related to cloverfield.......but come on. who trusts that tricky tricky Abrams as far as they can throw him? he may just be mad that fans figured out his twist too early lol jk

but on a serious note, i was looking at something about Gordon Cooper. I tried looking on the site for other tie-ins with this and didn't so thought i'd post, but if it was i'm terribly sorry for posting it again. kind of new here.

I found an article talking about how gordon cooper talked about NASA using gifted children for mind control experiments. it talks about children being used to try and perfect stuff like telekinesis, telepathy, and other mental powers. the exercises were to prepare the children to communicate with extraterrestrial beings. I was thinking that maybe either the figure flashed in the trailer is one of the test subjects of these classes, or (very unlikely but hey groups have done it in the past) the thing in the train car bursting out is a group of children. odd as it sounds, i just thought that if you notice something is hitting the side of the car but the wheel to turn and open it is turning at the same time. Maybe the children are trying to turn it to get out but they're too desperate and try to blast it open using telekinesis (yes, a bit far-fetched but hey, it's JJ). and hey, if that's the case, maybe the person in the truck is a parent of one of the kids and is trying to stop them after hearing that the government was trying to cover up something.

Also, there's a lot of background noise in the trailer, and i was thinking maybe there'd be a clue there.

And lastly on that second page in the newspaper, theres an ad for "sookie and sm" animal rescue. It just seemed like a fairly decent sized ad for a newspaper page. Could really be nothing but it's always the little things. and if someone already knows about it, good find, my bad Embarassed . It doesn't really help in the mystery of the movie but maybe these things can bring up some ideas to someone


I raised this a while ago, and we discussed it for a while. If you use the forum search function for the search term "sookie" you'll find it here:

http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=705529

Troutage. Trout

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 		I believe its not Cloverfield related and I really hope not cuase I really didnt care for it.It wasnt the worse.But rental and forget it I thought.So I think and hope its fresh concept,plot,story etc. :)But who knows.
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 		Re: Just wondering
wanderer87 wrote:
I was just thinking that everyone keeps talking about JJ saying it's in no way related to cloverfield.......but come on. who trusts that tricky tricky Abrams as far as they can throw him? he may just be mad that fans figured out his twist too early lol jk

but on a serious note, i was looking at something about Gordon Cooper. I tried looking on the site for other tie-ins with this and didn't so thought i'd post, but if it was i'm terribly sorry for posting it again. kind of new here.

I found an article talking about how gordon cooper talked about NASA using gifted children for mind control experiments. it talks about children being used to try and perfect stuff like telekinesis, telepathy, and other mental powers. the exercises were to prepare the children to communicate with extraterrestrial beings. I was thinking that maybe either the figure flashed in the trailer is one of the test subjects of these classes, or (very unlikely but hey groups have done it in the past) the thing in the train car bursting out is a group of children. odd as it sounds, i just thought that if you notice something is hitting the side of the car but the wheel to turn and open it is turning at the same time. Maybe the children are trying to turn it to get out but they're too desperate and try to blast it open using telekinesis (yes, a bit far-fetched but hey, it's JJ). and hey, if that's the case, maybe the person in the truck is a parent of one of the kids and is trying to stop them after hearing that the government was trying to cover up something.

Also, there's a lot of background noise in the trailer, and i was thinking maybe there'd be a clue there.

And lastly on that second page in the newspaper, theres an ad for "sookie and sm" animal rescue. It just seemed like a fairly decent sized ad for a newspaper page. Could really be nothing but it's always the little things. and if someone already knows about it, good find, my bad Embarassed . It doesn't really help in the mystery of the movie but maybe these things can bring up some ideas to someone


An interesting theory. JJ has covered something like this with Fringe, but that doesn't mean that he wouldn't change it up a little and use it again. There were three frames in the trailer that showed a child's face. This theory also ties in with some previous speculation about the movie's title. Perhaps it's not only referring to the type of film. Perhaps there were eight telekinetic children / pre-teens. The Super Eight. Very interesting thought indeed.

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 		Just wondering
I was just thinking that everyone keeps talking about JJ saying it's in no way related to cloverfield.......but come on. who trusts that tricky tricky Abrams as far as they can throw him? he may just be mad that fans figured out his twist too early lol jk

but on a serious note, i was looking at something about Gordon Cooper. I tried looking on the site for other tie-ins with this and didn't so thought i'd post, but if it was i'm terribly sorry for posting it again. kind of new here.

I found an article talking about how gordon cooper talked about NASA using gifted children for mind control experiments. it talks about children being used to try and perfect stuff like telekinesis, telepathy, and other mental powers. the exercises were to prepare the children to communicate with extraterrestrial beings. I was thinking that maybe either the figure flashed in the trailer is one of the test subjects of these classes, or (very unlikely but hey groups have done it in the past) the thing in the train car bursting out is a group of children. odd as it sounds, i just thought that if you notice something is hitting the side of the car but the wheel to turn and open it is turning at the same time. Maybe the children are trying to turn it to get out but they're too desperate and try to blast it open using telekinesis (yes, a bit far-fetched but hey, it's JJ). and hey, if that's the case, maybe the person in the truck is a parent of one of the kids and is trying to stop them after hearing that the government was trying to cover up something.

Also, there's a lot of background noise in the trailer, and i was thinking maybe there'd be a clue there.

And lastly on that second page in the newspaper, theres an ad for "sookie and sm" animal rescue. It just seemed like a fairly decent sized ad for a newspaper page. Could really be nothing but it's always the little things. and if someone already knows about it, good find, my bad Embarassed . It doesn't really help in the mystery of the movie but maybe these things can bring up some ideas to someone

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 		hey you guys got the new paper clipping right, I was thinking about those old paper puzzles that you'd fold along dotted line or X's. I don't have a printer so has anyone tried this yet?

I might just be reaching for something, i dunno.

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 		Thought this was the most fitting thread to post it in...
For the younger people out there who are interested in what actual Super 8 home movies looked like and the older ones to remember the good 'ole... ah, forget it Wink.
"Super 8 home movie with sound of a fishing trip on Oregon's Rogue River. From LostInLight.org" : http://www.archive.org/details/FishTripRogueRiver1979
"1979 home movie footage of kids on rides at the Fort Worth Zoo and time at home with the family." : http://www.archive.org/details/KiddieRides
Both from 1979 apparently Smile.

And the Wiki page page for the film-material that was used with Super 8 cameras: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kodachrome
Quote:
Kodachrome requires complex processing that cannot practically be carried out by amateurs. The film is sold with processing included in the purchase price except in the United States, where a 1954 legal ruling prevents this

That is probably the reason for the Kodak-frames on the official site. Trout me if it's been brought up before. On the other hand... if it's been regulated as of 1954, why would they stil have it on the reel in the US in 1979 which our film is supposed to take place/have a signicance to?

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 		Re: CE3K/Speilberg influences [SPEC]
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Plus it's a monster movie, the monster has to be evil and from the ARG so far it seems like the government is trying to cover it up and if the monster is good then the government wouldn't be so worried about it getting out.


Yet Abrams went to some length (at least in the backstory) to design CLOVERFIELD *not* to be about an "evil monster" — but that it's actually just a baby, scared, hurt and looking for its mother. I don't think this came through in the film at all, but his intent in designing it as such remains clear. When attacked, it defends itself. But to be evil, Clover would have to have intent behind its actions — it had none, except survival and to find safety. That says a lot about JJ's philosophy regarding "monsters." We'll see whether Abrams follows similar lines with SUPER 8, if there's even an applicable 'monster' this time.

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Yeah it would make sense for it to try and make the government out to be the bad guy because it's supposed to be like to old Spelberg(misspelled) movies and i heard that they were against the government so that also works. Just by the atmosphere of the teaser I was guessing that the movie was supposed to be a monster movie and that the monster was the bad guy.


I'm not sure how young you are or what your movie-watching background is, but the point I was making earlier was that Spielberg, in the 70s-80s, went out of his way NOT to make the government the "bad guy." In fact, they were quite benign, peaceful and seeking enlightenment in CE3K — the met the aliens not with guns but with a synthesizer. That's the opposite of "bad guy" behavior.

Note how Spielberg removed the military from the equation entirely for E.T., and while the government was more aggressive in tracking the alien and preserving it as a secret, they were not hunting it down with guns either.

I don't think Spielberg relied on the easy 'crutch' of painting the government/military with a broad brush as the villain in any of his films. Even in WAR OF THE WORLDS the military fires all barrels of every weapon known with no effect against the alien invaders — but it was utterly in self-defense after attack. Much more in line with the spirit of SAVING PRIVATE RYAN and the WWII view of military power, and not a paranoid shoot-first Cold War image of armed forces. I think that has a lot to do with his father coming from the WWII era.

If Abrams is truly making SUPER 8 as an homage to 70s-80s Spielberg films — which reportedly influences his career very much — then I'm not sure he'll create a story that opposite to Spielberg's sensibilities of that decade. Of course I expect Abrams in serve his own sensibilities too, which will be the wild card in what SUPER 8 is about, but the pair hardly seem like philosophical opposites to me.


You're right, I guess I miss heard. But by the way the trailer is I still think the monster might be bad. I doubt that it's going to be the cliche evil monster that wants to kill everybody kind of thing though. It will probably have some good in it but I really don't know.

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