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duke9509
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 		Hmm, so I guess that means that those images from Genus' blog are somehow what we're supposed to send to LAINSY?

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Minz
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 		Well judging by the images, Orein might want us to give LAINSY the launch codes for an extrasolar satelite which I suppose is stationned at the Failtech-space facility that was mentionned before.
The trajectory image kind of hints at the fact that the satelite (or object? maybe it's even Orein himself sitting in the rocket xD) is supposed to be catapulted via gravitational slingshot out of the solar system.

Still loks kinda shifty to me, we might start up the whispher-project again by launching whatever it is into space. Maybe we could try and get some information about Failtech satelites from Dan or Alex?

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 		Paintball was painful and fun. I managed to hit my buddy in the balls too Razz Unintentional, I assure you. Good job moth! I've been making some decent guesses at the numerology and symbology, but it's not quite right yet.

Anyway, I might be on less because I just found out someone broke into my car and took my garage door opener. So tonight I'll be watching my car with my rifle. My neighbor is a cop too, so hopefully he can just arrest him.

Anyways! I'll try and figure this out stat.
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Minz wrote:
Well judging by the images, Orein might want us to give LAINSY the launch codes for an extrasolar satelite which I suppose is stationned at the Failtech-space facility that was mentionned before.
The trajectory image kind of hints at the fact that the satelite (or object? maybe it's even Orein himself sitting in the rocket xD) is supposed to be catapulted via gravitational slingshot out of the solar system.

Still loks kinda shifty to me, we might start up the whispher-project again by launching whatever it is into space. Maybe we could try and get some information about Failtech satelites from Dan or Alex?


That actually sounds very plausible- this whole time I was looking at the trajectory going the other way, that is, something on a collision course with Earth. XD

-lurklurklurk- I should be doing more productive things right now. >.>;

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godder
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 		Shoot em in the balls punxtr! Good job latent! So we need to look for some symbols similar to what is on the blog. Think, think, think.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:27 pm
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duke9509
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 		Email from Dan:
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Sorry it took me long to reply, we just finished a very long board meeting (tele-presence, of course) and mostly to make it short, we had to talk about the current problems the company is facing due to the outages, and this problem with Genus. For a moment in there, I felt I just had to say it that Alex was behind it all. But I just kept my mouth shut, for now until we have any conclusive evidence. I can actually show to the board. Emails and your testimony just won't work. So yeah, the board has then decided to put Alex in charge of the operation and me behind him.

I felt such a waste for the efforts I have put into this investigation, and thankfully I saw your emails about cracking the transmission. I still can't say that I can figure out anything about the message aside from it giving so much importance to the images on the blog, if that's what it is actually pointing to. I can't set my staff to work on this, since I will have them to do tasks that Alex will have to give me, since I have to follow his orders. But, I want you guys to lay low and continue in helping me out. I know we can figure this out eventually, and hopefully before it's too late.

I'll keep you posted when I have more information or something to give to you. Maybe for now, try to see what you can make out of the images on the site. There has to be something about it that we have to let LAINSY know, as the transmission says.


EDIT: And from Alex:
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It took me a while to update you all with what's happening, and what happened while I was gone is that I am now in-charge of the operations here in the Antarctica Facility and I will also take over Miller's investigations about Orein. Don't worry, Miller will still work on this investigation, although he knows enough already to say that he can't do anything about this anymore. So, he just needs to cooperate with me.

Orein has not sent me any instrcution or message, yet, so we still have nothing to do. Hopefully, we'll hear from him soon and we'll be able to continue the already arranged plans. I will keep you all updated, I know we can do this.


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zeighy
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 		I've got a few friends look at the very first image on the blog, the one with the number sign in the middle. Here's a few things they think could be interpreted from it:

The top left symbol is most probably earth... an earth divided into half, they say you can tell it can be earth because of the lone "moon" beside it.

The top middle one is most probably a communication symbol, as the suggest. It's like sending and receiving something.

The top right symbol is the probably the other planet with three moons... that is if we've got the top left correctly.

on the middle line, the left one is an X probably telling wrong, the middle one is a grid, and the circle as something denoting correct...

on the last line, they don't have any idea what it can be... please note that these are just ideas, and maybe we can figure out a better picture here about the images...

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 		Thoughts on the first blog post:

The first image is a set of logic reasoning. Maybe Orein is trying to modify LAINSY's logic into a paradoxical state, in order to be able to do something that LAINSY would have originally prevented him to do?

The second image could be used to corroborate this theory. The X # O could be referring to tic-tac-toe, which if you've ever seen War Games was used to teach the big-bad-computer that there's no reason to play a game you can't win.

The first line of the 2nd image looks to me like it's indicating communication between Earth and a planet with 3 moons? The communication is somehow different from Earth-to-planet and planet-to-Earth, as indicated by the )) vs the <<.

The last line of the 2nd image looks strange but reminds me of an eye, a heart, and maybe a U? eye <3 U = I love you? An emotion? Maybe emotion is connected to LAINSY somehow?

In this post, the link.jpg: the Earth and the other planet are separated somehow, or there's some barrier between the two. But establishing some sort of link will cause the 2 planets to be able to cross that barrier?

I can't really make heads or tails of the numbers picture in the latest blog post.

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 		http://bayimg.com/fAJEjaaDF

so far that's what I am able to understand with the numbers... the box ones, I still don't get it...

seems like the first group is a base-7 numerical system?

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girlwhoruledtheworld
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 		There's a new blog post by genus on his blog written in code. Very Happy

I've tried, managed to get a few words (there's thirteen altogether).
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sky sail away apyl?? shall come earth dark days death comes orein come

I can't make sense of the fourth word, perhaps a code within a code again?


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 		http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ufd81VtBn_E/Ti55hzzlZNI/AAAAAAAAAB0/oxecv66hd28/s1600/sae.jpg

The 4 box numbers, at least in these examples, could be the roman numerals I,II,III, V ?

IV=4
V+V=10

And for some reason the top line of this one:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vSzwkUTvonM/Tip7S4goCBI/AAAAAAAAAAY/bEB8SgCjYsI/s1600/symbol.jpg

reminds me of the Van Allen Belt
which with tic tac toe and I love you gives 3 sets of three?

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 		Well, we now know one thing that we don't have to worry about: LAINSY becoming self-aware.
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Although LAINSY is indeed capable of thinking for herself, most of these decisions are "scripted" and needs to be programmed into her. At the core of her logic system, there are five primary logic laws she has to follow:

1. She has to protect human life and not cause any harm to any humans through direct action, indirect action, or inaction. However, as an exception to this law, if harm or death is unavoidable, the best compromise or alternative solution has to be selected.
2. She has to follow orders from humans, as long as it does not conflict with the first law. However, orders from humans with higher security clearance or higher priority supersedes other orders from other humans as long as it does not conflict with the first law.
3. She has to protect the company and it's assets, and everyone involved as long as it does not conflict with the first and second law. No exceptions.
4. She has to protect her own, as long as it does not conflict with the first, second, and third law. No exceptions.
5. She is required to allow any overrides, if all other four laws can no longer be put into practice or is no longer applicable. This law can invalidate the other laws and allow unregulated logic A.I. processing as long as the logic data equivalents are available.

Although these are taken mostly from the Asimov law of Robotics, we have fine tuned them to make them much more applicable. Although the fifth law can allow full unregulated AI processing, the possibility of LAINSY to be sentient and be self-aware is impossible as the only way she can know something is by teaching her through logic sentences and predefined parameters. She can't learn on her own, she has to be "taught" by programming her.

Although we have long closed the process that will allow anyone to "teach" her new logic, or to modify any existing logic. No one can teach her anything new anymore, and if there is a need to, the entire board has to approve it, and we need to manually activate the learning module. And before any new logic can be entered, is has to be approved first.

So yes, the possibility of her becoming something like SKYNET is impossible due to the basic reason that she can't learn on her own, even if the learning module is active. If ever she does become something like SKYNET, we have some protocols and built-in functions in her that can allow remote shutdown (just like the remote reboot sequence) or other pre-define override commands. Also, all she can do is control anything withing the FAILTECH network, such as doors, and other things. She can't control robots or machines. She also can't control any of our manufacturing systems, because those have their own automated systems 100% independent from LAINSY.

I hope that answers your question and concern.

Daniel Miller
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zeighy
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 		So from the start, LAINSY has been following these set of laws, like the first one... while she was in charge and in control, no one died... remember?

Also, third law, she has to protect the company... and thus she locks out Genus, because she has seen that Genus might be a trouble...

Then, fourth law, she prevent herself to be rebooted (blocking incoming email) because it will conflict to the first and third law if she reboots.... interesting....

seems like LAINSY is built as solid as the protocols FAILTECH has on their employees, that not following these set protocols will result into something bad... the more I think I about it, the PMs seem to really have a strong foundation on this...

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girlwhoruledtheworld wrote:
sky sail away apyl?? shall come earth dark days death comes orein come

I can't make sense of the fourth word, perhaps a code within a code again?


The last word uses the GL symbol, not the CK symbol. The word is most likely "gone".

As for A FP JY GL, if anyone can make a word out of that, please tell me.

Edit--That seems to be the phonetic part. I strongly believe it means "a file". Sky sail away a file shall come earth dark days death comes Orein gone.

Perhaps Orein is saying he flew away to space, a file will be sent to Earth, something bad will happen, he's gone [forever?]. Not sure.
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punxtr wrote:
girlwhoruledtheworld wrote:
sky sail away apyl?? shall come earth dark days death comes orein come

I can't make sense of the fourth word, perhaps a code within a code again?


The last word uses the GL symbol, not the CK symbol. The word is most likely "gone".

As for A FP JY GL, if anyone can make a word out of that, please tell me.

Edit--That seems to be the phonetic part. I strongly believe it means "a file". Sky sail away a file shall come earth dark days death comes Orein gone.

Perhaps Orein is saying he flew away to space, a file will be sent to Earth, something bad will happen, he's gone [forever?]. Not sure.


That's what I'm seeing too. The question is, what file and why? Actually, that is a pair of questions Smile I'll check back tomorrow and see what I can figure out with fresh eyes and brain. TTFN

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