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[Paulzilla]

Oh. My. God.

You, sir, are a bloody genius.

[maxim]

Good enough for me. Congratulations.

[Scott]

Some people have asked what e is, and what avogadro's number is. Here's a brief primer, with links. Interested parties are encouraged to do more research beyond this outside the fForums.

e - 2.71828183
This is a symbol which represents an irrational constant. The constant being described is a very subtle and yet very important measurement in geometry. It is called a constant, because any hyperbola of an expected shape at any size has this quality. It is incredibly handy in fFiguring out the area under a curve. It crops up in geometry, algebra, trig, and statistics fFor a start.

Avogadro - 6.0221367 x 10^23
Amedeo Avogadro was a chemist whose work was fFairly ignored fFor quite some while, but managed to observe a specific property of atoms, molecules, and the volume of a gas. He came up with a principle, but had nothing at all to do with the number which bears his name. The number itself is a little arbitrary. The point is, someone said there shall be THIS many atoms of anything in one Mole. A mole then being a nice round universal amount of a thing. Like how big is a teaspoon? about so big. how big is a mole? *Exactly* that big.

None of this even begins to address the question: why does a postage stamp bear a given number pertaining to a geometry and a chemistry constant? they belong in two different fFields, and have little to do with each other. hinky.

[JebJoya]

I have updated the wiki with this spec (just saying that this has now been specced)

Yay for doing something constructive!

Jeb

EDIT: PS, I called Spankit "brilliant" I hope this is OK with everyone

[erekose]

[JebJoya]

[Spankit]

[Scott]

i was keeping it simple.
It's all good.

You make a great point about the SETI similarity. open a channel of communication by way of some simple math, a little message, some pretty art. here then is our universal constants of math and science to calibrate communication.

played, all round

[JebJoya]

Yeah, but weren't seti thinking more along the lines of beeping at them twice, then thrice, then quintice(?) (2,3,5,7,11...) - since constants can only be based on a measurement that we have already? I mean, all constants are based on our own definitions of a distance, or amount of time etcetera, and so saying that the speed of light is 3e8 m/s won't be that useful to a civilization who think it's 14.3 z/q? Okay, you could base the numbers on multiples of the speed of light, but you can only define speed in that way, there is no other constant thing you could use (unless someone can think of a ratio that I can't at the moment?)

Meh, sorry, I'm bored and also an argumentative sod... Sorry about that

Jeb

[erekose]

[prufrock]

[Nightmare Tony]

Avogrados and emole? Dang, its time for guacamole!

[Salkunh]

[firefox]

hi everyo...
*TWANNNNG*

whats that Madame Bianca, you wish to channel through me, and prophesise the future of this thread... ok, sockit-to-me.

*ZBROINNNG*

I feel a great disturbance in the force fource cheeildren, a great evil is approaching and I am afeard nothing can stop it, ommm-salazar-boom-shalador
follow this link young ones, for it will guide you to your true path, and reveal your doomed destinies.. for evermore.

pain pain pain

in good intentions that topic was wraught, yet down o-so low, was it ever brought...
though night and day twirl ever on, my patience with 'theoretical-assumptions-based on a crude understanding of the fundamentals governing our current laws of mathematics, which have stood untested for over two century' ...is nigh but done.

so i beg thee out of the goodness of your hearts, take heed of my warnings, lower our iq's not.

oh btw- did i mention that you guys didnt solve my futures? suckers...

*TWANNNNG*

goly? what happened.... ( i plead the fif?)

edit: jokes aside, maybe a separate topic to debate stuff like that is good? i dunno, just don't make this the next deathfromabove thread... pls :puppy dog eyes:

[Seej]

WOW!

Nice work Spankit! And to think, all that discussion of e and still noone thought of this.