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[META-SPEC] ARGs as CCGs
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growfybruce
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[META-SPEC] ARGs as CCGs

The recent ad in Firebox's catalogue raises an intriguing question.

In 1979 the book Masquerade was published. By purchasing a copy, you were provided with all the necessary (and terribly cryptic) clues to locate a 22 carat gold amulet buried somewhere in the UK. It was a treasure hunt to end all treasure hunts and sparked a wave of similar books-as-puzzles through the 1980s (eg, The Ultimate Alphabet).

In the 1990s came collectible card games such as Magic: The Gathering. They sold well, they sold fast and people seemingly couldn't get enough of them. The explosion of CCGs is remarkable. However, no one's ever tried a CCG-as-puzzle before - and I'm starting to wonder if Perplex City is it.

If so, it's a remarkable business idea and means that Perplex City isn't an advert for anything. It's a standalone game with a cash prize and it's going to require some payment to play. Of course, if the 333 parcels we're expecting from Sente all contain a pack of 6 cards, we might be able to construct a free deck amongst the players on Unfiction - but, equally, this might only be the first part of a complete deck.

This is all spec, of course, and I might be completely wrong. I certainly suspect that if I'm right it won't appeal to everyone - but if I am right it's an amazing concept.
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I totally agree and was coming to the same conclusion. I used to be a bit of a fan of CCG's on and offline, so personally I think this appeals to me. Not thrilled about paing money for it though Sad Anyway I think this is certainly going to spark a new medium and is definitely a superb business idea.
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I was thinking along similar lines, growfybruce. But what if the CCG is only one element of it? I'm starting to think that perplexcity is designed to be a long-term self-financing game universe. I can see income streams from CCGs, perplexcity sentinel adverts, marketting tie-ins, academy giftshop tchotchkes, and so on (and probably loads of things I'm too slow to think of). I mean, if the guys at homestarrunner.com can support themselves from the sale of t-shirts, cds and figurines, I see no reason why a series of games set in perplex city couldn't support a whole company of its own. So in this scenario, the mysterious underwriter is... us!
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RI_Barnica wrote:
So in this scenario, the mysterious underwriter is... us!


Yup! Nice little earner if you ask me.

I'm not so sure about it being an ongoing thing though - if that £100,000 is the grand prize, it can only be given out once (and it won't be given out till they've covered the prize fund, I'll tell you that!).
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I don't belive in that theory, primarily due to two reasons;

- The feeling I have about PC so far, (not including PS) is that is a ad-campaign, firstly because I remember Adrian saying that they were working with a unusal partner in this endeavour. CCG might fit into this, but probably not on this level.

- The story so far does not really fit into a card game. Might just be me but I really hope that PC is a stand-alone game that is just that and the is being financed in some strange way Very Happy
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RI_Barnica wrote:
I was thinking along similar lines, growfybruce. But what if the CCG is only one element of it? I'm starting to think that perplexcity is designed to be a long-term self-financing game universe. I can see income streams from CCGs, perplexcity sentinel adverts, marketting tie-ins, academy giftshop tchotchkes, and so on (and probably loads of things I'm too slow to think of). I mean, if the guys at homestarrunner.com can support themselves from the sale of t-shirts, cds and figurines, I see no reason why a series of games set in perplex city couldn't support a whole company of its own. So in this scenario, the mysterious underwriter is... us!


Thinking along these lines myself. I don't think PPC is self funded (because its a really, really big leap of faith to put up that kind of prize fund), but have wondered if an ARG could be so funded. What does everyone think? If the ARG were compelling enough, would you shell out for game related paraphernalia/memorabilia?
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I don't believe that Perplex City has very much at all, if anything at all, to do with a PXC CCG. Now, that isn't to say that we won't get a "PXC Inspired CCG!"

I'm pretty sure whatever Perplex City is promoting, it's going to be much bigger than a CCG.

Oh and yeh, I'd definatly shell out cash for some Roll For Damage swag.
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Cards with puzzles reminds me of MindTrap:
http://www.mindtrapgames.com/Framesets/HomepageFS.html

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growfybruce wrote:
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If so, it's a remarkable business idea and means that Perplex City isn't an advert for anything. It's a standalone game with a cash prize and it's going to require some payment to play.

Beyond the cash(-equivelent) prize we've got salaries to think about too. The backers obviously made some fantastic art and tech decisions. If there is a ranking system as one of the cards depicts - solving puzzle cards may be a way to gain access to something else prominently depicted on the cards: an online simulation of Perplex City.

It could just be thematic art, but it could mean another opportunity to generate revenue. It's genius level fun.
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With the mega-cash prize- does anyone else think it unusual that with such a huge amount involved, we've seen no official Terms and Conditions of entry in the competition, and that players haven't had to register their details beyond an email address? With that much money at stake, such steps would be required by law, wouldn't they?

I think at some point we will be required to register, or terms and conditions will be posted - maybe with the cards?

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I expect some kind of T&C document will be made available online somewhere. I don't think the rules are that stringent - it's not fundamentally any different to a jar of coffee that might contain a prizewinning code printed on the seal, and they usually have a quick explanatory sentence followed by "For the full Terms & Conditions, write to CrapCaffienePowder..."

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I don't think it can simply be for a full-scale card game as when this finishes and we find the Cube, they'll have to stop selling cards. They only have a very limited period of being useful to us so I still don't think they're the end product of this ARG.
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Part of me wonders (as a US lurker in this game) if Adrian is trying to push the limits of the ARG world by introducing such a competitive element into it - both in purchasing cards and the cash prize.

Obviously this isn't the first ARG to have prize money at the end, however, I guess I'm just a little surprised I haven't seen more discussion on people buying cards just for themselves, rather than posting the answers on the wiki for everyone. However, [1] this might come up more when the cards are actually on sale, and [2] I'm not quite sure how the game works - maybe only one person will be able to redeem points for one purchased card?

Just my $0.02.
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QBKooky wrote:
[2] I'm not quite sure how the game works - maybe only one person will be able to redeem points for one purchased card?


I made this point here and a suggestion was that if this is the case, we sign up as the collective "UF" and still keep the group together.
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I made this point here and a suggestion was that if this is the case, we sign up as the collective "UF" and still keep the group together.


The only trouble with that is, as someone may have pointed out in that there thread, the openess of these boards could mean many people using us for free answers. I mean, type in Perplex City into Goggle and we're sure to come up on the first page no matter how many new sites open.
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