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[Marduk]

Are you asking if it would be wrong to give the puppet masters a big "F&*$ You!" and make hi-res scans of their cards anyway? Hmm... let me think.

Would it be legal? Maybe.

Would it piss off the PMs and make them sue Unfiction? Hell yeah.

Morally bankrupt? I dunno, what's your political affiliation? J/k...

[Nik_Doof]

[Rolerbe]

[NovacaineX]

Text transcribes will work fine for some cards, but out of the 6 we already have at least 3 that simply wouldn't work without reasonable sized scans.

The Geek Antique one
The Flag one
and the Hieroglyphics one

So text transcribes will only work for about half the cards. I totally understand that they want to protect their property and keep the money coming in. But if they expect us to work as a team on these than we need to be able to see them.

[Scott]

[tanner]

well im a little worried

i can only afford a pack or two of the cards (to pay the rent as it were)

so if i cant read the puzzles on the scans and if the cards are hugely important to the fun of the game then i think i may have to drop out -- which would be sad as ive spend a year being patient waiting for it to start

[rose]

[NovacaineX]

Forgeries can be made even with the small scans though. I mean if i sell a pack of cards on ebay the image i put in that auction is tiny, and the people buying the cards obviously don't have them, so all they've seen is the small scans as well. So i could easily forge up all the cards i wanted. Don't need a big high res scan to do that.

[SpaceBass]

[Scott]

(yes, it was a very subtle joke, rose)

I think "buyer beware" applies here. To this end, I encourage a spirit of *trading* cards, not necesarilly selling them as on ebay. remove money fFrom the equation, and you remove the motives of ill will. or at least dampen them. Not to say selling them should be made, you know, illegal, or something absurd. nor are buyers or sellers to be eschewed; on the contrary, they may be the driving fForce of the fFuture of the game. But trading them within the community will work out better fFor the spirit of the sporting event.

[Nogwater]

I agree that encouraging trading is the right solution. Especially 1 for 1 trading. I mentioned in the chat room this morning (my time) that we should create a website to facilitate trading. You should be able to log in, list cards that you're willing to trade, and cards that you're looking for. It would also be great to automatically link people up, and track feedback like eBay so we know who's honest and who isn't. If we could link the logins with either the forums, or the wiki we'd be even better off. Just a though. Who knows if MC already has something like this planned, or if enough people would actually use it for it to be worth while.

[BrianEnigma]

I think trading, as opposed to selling, the cards is definitely where it's at. It could be quite fun to arrange beekeper-like meetups in the major metropolitan areas to hang out and look at/trade cards. Trading over the internet I can see as being much more problematic. With the transaction being distributed and taking multiple steps, it is easy for cards to get lost (either accidentally by the postal service or deliberately by less trustworthy trading partners.) It is not something I would feel comfortable doing without knowing quite a lot about the person at the other end of the trade unless there was some kind of escrow involved.

With regards to copying and sharing card images, my little card database not only scales the images down to Wiki-rules-compliant sizes, but also adds a faint watermark ("Specimin") to the center as an extra measure of caution.

[Salkunh]

[SpaceBass]

[Marduk]