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[SPEC] Gunter in Florence?
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nhansard
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 		[SPEC] Gunter in Florence?
So it's becomming clear that Gunter was involved/planning a job in Florence that involved drilling, moving up to 6 tons of stuff, and possibly patching the whatever he drilled. We know that there have been a number of references to the Uffizi Gallery in the game thus far.

Does anyone have any more ideas on what was going on in Florence?

PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 4:48 pm
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 		nisha's diaries
She mentions Florence a bunch, and Uffizi specifically:

Oct. 20 through Oct. 24, and Nov. 2.

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 		As I wrote in another thread (I'm not sure where it belongs so if the moderators want to move my Florence locations post please fell free to do so), the photos #4 and #5 (and, I assume, the other 3 too) portrays locations very near to the Uffizi Museum.
In addiction to that, in the Doc2.pdf file (the one with the drilling equipment) the piece of equipment highlited is described as "Core drilling set (for drilling reinforced concrete)"
In the notes writen on the photos, he showed interested in things like a large basement, a loud construction site, large doors and heavy traffic... Well, I think that our man plans to dig a tunnel from a Florence basement to the Uffizi gallery.
I guess we should we pass this info to Ian&Nisha.
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 		Tying together the plot so far...
{META} I think this is the perfect thread for anything pertaining to Florence and Gunter's plans since the daily threads will keep moving from day to day. {/META}

Fantastic job, Nadif. This nails Uffizi as Gunter's big target. Your theory about digging sounds about right. Go in under ground. It looks like he had 5 sites earmarked in those photos. Perhaps he hadn't made up his mind where he was going to start from. It looks like he values: 1) street access, 2) wide door, 3) lots of noise. That makes perfect sense. A wide garage allows more privacy as you can pull the truck in to load/unload. Street access for quicker getaway. Noise to cover up digging sounds. If your friends don't mind, it would be nice to know the location of the other three sites, too (but only if they're enjoying themselves, getting into the ARG Wink ).

Concerning the Uffizi, Rowan posted the full list of paintings in Room 15, which we think is likely the target room.

Since he's going through all the trouble to get into the gallery, Gunter might also want to take a slight detour next door and check out this great work. Are there any other big targets in the Uffizi that Gunter might want to hit?

For completeness, Here's the complete text of Nisha's journal entries concerning Uffizi. Neither the Giotto nor the Uccello are in Room 15, however. I'm attaching the two Leonardo paintings just for color.

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Oct. 20.

Let's see, not including the churches (St. Marks. S. Miniato, SS. Annunziata, S. Maria del Fiore, S. Maria Novella, among others) and assuming we manage to pass through, one time or another Piazzale Michelangelo, the Piazza del Duomo, Piazza Pitti, Piazza della Signoria, Piazza S. Croce, there's still the Palazzo Vecchio, the Uffizi Gallery, the Pitti Palace. the Duomo of Florence (frescoes by Uccello, Andrea del Castagno, and Vasari)—well it starts to build up you know. The small city of buildings that constitute the Piazza Pitti—even if you skipped most of them, all the way to the Boboli Gardens—and only visited the Palatine Gallery which is the royal family's private picture gallery—you're facing 25 rooms with over a thousand paintings—a collection not inferior to the phenomenal holdings of the Uffizi Gallery. It's one hell of a responsibility, catching up to your cultural heritage. If you were fool enough to try you'd be dead of exhaustion in no time. So where were we? Florence. How did we get there? Who knows?


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Oct. 21.

So it's like the rest of life: you have to be selective. The Palazzo Vecchio was off the list. But not the 45 rooms of the Uffizi. We stopped off to see Ghiberti's Doors. Then we spent the afternoon in the Boboli Gardens, drinking espresso and reading to prepare to be able to read the works in the Uffizi. But did we achieve Enlightenment? Don't kid yourself.


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Oct. 22.

Take just as one example a small Giotto altarpiece painted around 1310—a mere seven hundred years ago—when the world was set in stone. Giotto painted it for a little church in Florence—and he was cutting edge then. But it's both beautiful and fantastically remote now. It was a representation of one mystery then—and another mystery now. The Cimabue altarpiece in the same room: the faces look recognizably human—a chink in the armor?


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Oct. 23.

A Uccello, the central panel of a triptych, The Battle of San Romano. It amounts to a kind of news report—painted only three years after the battle. We realized from the guides we clutched in our hands that one panel was in the Louvre, the other in the National Gallery in London. We could have seen the other two panels—we'd missed both. This amounted to a brutal critique of our lack of thoroughness, didn't it? And fact is we were sorry about it—this was a painting that kept us in the room and followed us out after we left.
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Oct. 24.

We started over again, testing our perceptions. But by lunchtime we'd had it.
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Nov. 2.

Voted. There are two identical paintings of Pope Julius II—one in The Uffizi by Raphael, the other in the National Gallery in London by his ace apprentice. Or maybe it's the other way around. Nobody seems too sure. Take a vote on the candidates.


She also mentions Leonardo in her diary on March 2, 5, 11 & 12, but only the Last Supper, specifically.
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 		Ok, so here's what I've wondered ever since we started to learn about Gunter's plan in Florence.

Has it already taken place?

From Nisha's journal on Sept. 9:
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There are art experts who claim that a very high percentage of works displayed in museums are fakes. Very few people can tell the difference between a good fake and a bad fake—let alone the difference between a fake and the authentic original.


Is it possible Gunter's already pulled off the Uffizi job, replacing one of the paintings in room 15 with a good fake, and no one has noticed?

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Wandering_Angela wrote:

Is it possible Gunter's already pulled off the Uffizi job, replacing one of the paintings in room 15 with a good fake, and no one has noticed?

Very unlikely IMHO. According to what we know, Gunter's plan involves extensive drilling, probably just digging a tunnel up into the Uffizi gallery. That's not exactly a "stealth" kind of operation... If you want to steal a painting by replacing the original with a forgery, you definitely want to act with discretion, and a big hole in the middle of the Uffizi's floor is not exactly discreet. Smile
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 		I will be in Florence next week on vacation. If there is anything game-related I can do to help out, let me know before Saturday afternoon. Smile

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Gupfee wrote:
I will be in Florence next week on vacation. If there is anything game-related I can do to help out, let me know before Saturday afternoon. Smile


That should soooo be in the "You know you're an ARGer if..." thread Laughing
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 		Gupfee, you lucky b... Laughing

Anyway: yes, you can.
First of all, you can track down the location of the 3 photos we have not yet confirmed; they are all very likely near the Uffizi gallery.
And then, just to add some random madness, you could stick on the lampposts a thousand photos of Gunter with a big "RICERCATO - LADRO D'ARTE"* writing. Very Happy

[*: "wanted - art thief"]


[on a totally OT note: do yourself a favor and have a dinner at the Cantinetta Antinori. Really.]
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 		Uffizi casing
Gupfee,

You can also case Uffizi a little bit. Go check out room 15, and see if it's possible to dig underneath into the room. The other thing to check out is how long does it take to walk from one room to another? One theory we have is that the numbers listed as 15A, 15B, 16A are guard movement times, but that would mean it takes a guard 2-3 minues to move from room 14 to 15 or 15 to 16. Heh, you could also watch the guards, and report back what you see. Also, what's their security system like? (Don't do anything suspicious, though Wink

Have fun!

Btw, I second the Gunter flyer idea. That's hilarious.

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 		Re: Uffizi casing
nivra wrote:
Gupfee,

You can also case Uffizi a little bit. Go check out room 15, and see if it's possible to dig underneath into the room.


I can answer that: no. Neither in room 15 or in any other room of the Gallery. Not directly.
The Uffizi Museum entrance is, of course, at ground floor, but the actual gallery is not there. After you enter the building, you have to climb a long stairway up to the second floor. That is the real entrance to the gallery, between rooms 1 and 3. So it's impossible to just dig a tunnel and come out directly in the middle of the paintings.


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The other thing to check out is how long does it take to walk from one room to another? One theory we have is that the numbers listed as 15A, 15B, 16A are guard movement times, but that would mean it takes a guard 2-3 minues to move from room 14 to 15 or 15 to 16. Heh, you could also watch the guards, and report back what you see. Also, what's their security system like? (Don't do anything suspicious, though Wink


I'm more inclined to think that the numbers represent single parts of the security system: cameras or movement sensor or so. Mor likely cameras: the 2-3 minutes delay is consistent with a monitoring system composed by multiple cameras (possibly a hundred of them) alternating their images on a small number of real-time, human-controlled monitors.

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Btw, I second the Gunter flyer idea. That's hilarious.


Yeah, let's spice up things a little: after all, the good Florence people deserves to know what's going on in their city, right? Very Happy
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 		spec.
I need to think about this spec some more, digging a tunnel into the Uffizzi doesn't make that much sense to me. Not that you are wrong -- I am trying to put together how it would be done.

Wasn't Gunter working on another job? Or Nisha was on another job when she first spotted him?
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I haven't been able to read or find all that we know about Gunter's plans. My guess would be that the truck would be used as a decoy while they use an existing tunnel (accessible through a manhole cover) to get to the target underground and unseen. Or maybe they are going to exit through the sewers.

Maybe dig or somehow get through the outer wall then? And once inside use diamond tools to cut a glass case? The paintings aren't behind glass cases so we need to think about this. Why would a jewel thief care how hard the gems he was going to steal were? I don't think he would, so it may related to the tools.

Didn't Nisha find a hidden art work in a church by looking at old plans and then digging for it?
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 		I'm going to cross-post myself.

http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=142800#142800

Looks like the room numbers on gunters map are different room numbers than the "official" ufizzi room numbers.

Room 43

Room 44

Room 45

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 		Ok this is where it gets weird... all of the paintings from the LRR front page are in the three rooms identified by "gunter".

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 		Complete list of all three rooms:
Room: 43 - The Caravaggio Room
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# Simon Vouet - "Annunciation"
# Claude Gellée called Lorrain - "Harbour with Villa Medici"
# Francesco Albani - "Dance of the Cupids"
# Michelangelo Merisi called Caravaggio - "Medusa"
# Giovan Francesco Barbieri called Guercino - "Summer Diversions"
# Giulio Carpioni - "Neptune Pursuing Coronis"
# Salvator Rosa - "Landscape with Figures (Fear)"
# Annibale Carracci - "Venus with a Satyr and Cupids"
# Caravaggio - "Sacrifice of Isaac"
# Gian Lorenzo Bernini - "Head of a Youth (Head of an Angel)"
# Caravaggio - "Bacchus"
# Annibale Carracci - "A Man with a Monkey"
# Mattia Preti - "Vanity"


Room: 44 - The Rembrandt Room
Quote:
# Henri Met de Bles - "Copper Mines"
# Jacob Pynas - "Mercury and Herse"
# Godfried Schalcken - "Pygmalion"
# Frans van Mieris the Elder - "The Dutch Charlatan"
# Jan Brueghel the Elder - "Landscape with a Ford"
# Cornelis Bega - "Woman Playing a Lute"
# Paul Bril - "Landscape with Hunters"
# Jakob van Ruysdael - "Landscape with Shepherds and Peasants"
# Gerrit Berckheyde - "The Groote Markt in Haarlem"
# Cornelis van Poelenburgh - "Mercury and Batto"
# Frans van Mieris the Elder - "Two Old Men at the Table"
# Rachel Ruysch - "Fruit and Insects"
# Jan Miense Molenaer - "Peasants at the Tavern"
# Hendrick Pot - "The Miser"
# Caspar Netscher - "The Cook"
# Gabriel Metsu - "A Lady and a Kinght"
# Johannes Lingelbach - "Rest after the Hunt"
# Jan Steen - "The Luncheon"
# Hercules Peitersz Seghers - "Mountain Landscape"
# Frans van Mieris the Elder - "The painter's Family"
# Herman van Swanevelt - "Landscape"
# Rembrandt Harmenszoon van Rijn - "Self-portrait as an Old Man"
# Jan van Huysum - "Vase of Flowers"
# Rembrandt Harmenszoon van Rijn - "Self-portrait as a Young Man"
# Rembrandt Harmenszoon van Rijn - "Portrait of an Old Man"
# Pieter Codde - "Concert"
# Pieter Codde - "Conversation"


Room: 45 - Painting of the 18th Century
Quote:
# François Xavier Fabre - "Portrait of Vittorio Alfieri"
# François Xavier Fabre - "Portrait of the Countess d' Albany"
# Jean Etienne Liotard - "Marie Adelaide of France"
# Canaletto - "Palazzo Ducale in Venice"
# Canaletto - "View of the Grand Canal"
# Giovanni Antonio Canal called Canaletto - "Palazzo Ducale in Venice"
# Giuseppe Maria Crespi - "The Flea"
# Rosalba Carriera - "Flora"
# Giovanni Battista Tiepolo - "Erecting a Statue in Honour of an Emperor"
# Francesco Guardi - "Seascape with Arch"
# Francesco Guardi - "Seascape with Bridges on a Canal"
# Alessandro Falca called Longhi - "Portrait of a Lady"
# Giuseppe Maria Crespi - "The Artist's Family"
# Giovanni Battista Piazzetta - "Susanna and the Elders"
# Jean Baptiste Siméon Chardin - "Boy Playing Cards"
# Jean Baptiste Siméon Chardin - "Girl with Racket and Shuttlecock"
# Pietro Falca called Longhi - "The Confession"
# Francisco Goya y Lucientes - "Maria Teresa de Vallabriga on Horseback"
# Giovanni Battista Tiepolo - "Rinaldo abandons Armida"
# Jean Marc Nattier - "Marie Adelaide of France as Daina"
# Jean Marc Nattier - "Henriette of France as Flora"
# Jean Marc Nattier - "Marie Zephirine of France"


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