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Gupfee
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NEW HINT!!

This just in from the guide:

Quote:

Our last message goes without response; is this the help you need?

djsdbsfhobupobu

a guide


subject: a step behind?

PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2003 10:26 pm
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Gupfee
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SOLVED

The message is ROT-25:

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circaregnatonat


which is:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Latin for "It thunders through the realm" and is from a poem by Thomas Wyatt, which leads us to:

http://www.mythosphere.org/wyatt.html


Thanks to danman_d, Diandra and konamouse for the assist with this puzzle!

PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2003 10:36 pm
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villard
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And this leads us..where?

I got the e-mail as well.
Quote:
Our last message goes without response; is this the help you need?


They are expecting a response so I guess we´re not home yet.
So the poem by Wyatt found on the new page is probably a lead to solve the original puzzle. The word "words" is bolded (twice). Likely the key of som sort, right? (...or just a hint not to (over)work with numbers)

The capital letters in the first word (throughout) and the megabig "T" in this word is probably also some key of sort. Especially since each row in the original puzzle has a capital letter too (and are not beginnings of sentences) So does the Wyatt poem.


Just thinking out loud...
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Shelina
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I've just tried this:

@ is in the same key as "2" (at least in my keyboard...) -> 2 is letter B
% is in the same key as "5" -> letter E

No result yet, maybe because ^ and * aren't in a number key...

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No result yet, maybe because ^ and * aren't in a number key...


on my keyboard ^ = 6 = F
and * = 8 = H

so @ = 2 = b
# = 3 = c
$ = 4 = d
% = 5 = e
^ = 6 = f
& = 7 = g
* = 8 = h

So now we get (if I copied it right):

A ebdw veg efz hrcmzb ,
Vx xxbgz pxv sa fgyfb,
Wgt sa zbel whcc
X vbw rdsfg cdu-r.
a guide

But we still have that "-", and this is not ROT to anything. Doesn't do anything in Vigenere (using words as key).

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Shelina
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@ -> 2 -> b
# -> 3 -> c
$ -> 4 -> d
% -> 5 -> e
^ -> 6 -> f
& -> 7 -> g
* -> 8 -> h

I've tried this sustitution and then rotating the code without luck Sad

I'm thinking on simple substitution, but... if every group of characters is a word, I can't imagine what word begins with a double letter (xx, the second word in the second line)

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bigdave
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Aaron and eerie and ooze were suggested at Yahoo by Ozark and Sally.

dave

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"Words" is bolded in the poem.

I noticed this:
A %@dw v%g %$z *rcmz@ ,
Vx xx@gz pxv sa ^&y^b,
W&t sa zb%l w*cc
X v@w rds^g #du-r.

Not sure how but maybe a starting point?

~cem

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Valas
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Words mentioned twice and in bold text.
The letter T in bold.

Two words, mayhaps??

Also, that second e-mail they sent the whites. Wyatt??
Another one?? Hmm..

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moa-Night
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I haven't had much free time lately, but I'd thought I'd throw this out for the rest of you:

What's to say the symbols represent their numeric-equivalent letters in base 10?

I noticed there are nine letters not used in the message. Maybe the symbols are used to replace them in a substitution or vignere cypher or such?

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bigdave
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Konamouse wrote

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But we still have that "-", and this is not ROT to anything. Doesn't do anything in Vigenere (using words as key).


It looks like it could be an apostrophe. Examples for the word would be - can't, don't, won't, isn't, etc.

Just a thought.

Dave

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grumpyboy
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From my post over at CD:

Trying to find inspiration to solve the "step by step" email, so I've been looking at the past puzzles for each group. Hope this brings inspiration...

------------------------------------------------------------------
BLUE:
1. "one step forward, two back" - uffw bpf ric gmskfpt...
Solve method: ROT 1st character by -1, 2nd by +2, 3rd by -1, 4th by +2, etc.

2. "You cannot attain the peace of balance without the knowledge of what lies upon either side of the scale."
Solve method: ROT each character by amount specified by the 2 strings of numbers (not shown here)

RED:
1. "the sum of two" - gfkpebhabaedpcmgddadnmqafnficcbatg....
Solve method: Add each pair or letters, mod 26. (i.e. ROT 1st letter in each pair by the amount indicated by the 2nd)

2. "Within the act of creation resides..."
Solve method: Shift each letter in the quote by the amount indicated by the corresponding letter in the "wacky string". Shift is negative if letter in wacky string is lowercase, positive if uppercase.

WHITE:
1. "To Light The Path" - aqwt lqwtpga ku da cpqvjgt rcvj...
Solve method: ROT each line separately

2. "step by step" - A %@dw v%g %$z *rcmz@...
UNSOLVED

2a. "one step behind?" - djsdbsfhobupobu
Solve method: ROT25 or as I see it, ROT -1 (negative 1)

------------------------------------------------------------------

Observations:
- In ALL instances, the solve method involves ROTing/shifting characters
- For BLUE(1), RED(1) and WHITE(2a), the subjects of the emails were the recipes to the solve

Relevant clues to the unsolved WHITE(2):
- "words" in bold twice on the wyatt page
- solution to the email was in latin (circa regna tonat)
- "step by step"
- if "one step behind" = ROT -1, what does "step by step" mean?

We must be missing something obvious here (don't we always?). My feeling is that the solve method to WHITE(2), in terms of difficulty, will not be that different from BLUE(2) or RED(2). Just look at BLUE(1), RED(1) and WHITE(1), they're about the same level of difficulty. AND there were no great leaps in difficulty or method going from BLUE(1) to BLUE(2) or from RED(1) to RED(2). So WHITE(2) is not going to be RSA or some other superduper encryption method, I think it'll be some sort
of ROT/shift.

Anyone?

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AbuAmaal
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Spec White puzzle

You seem to have two pairs of two lines, each pair
of matching length (I understand there is a trailing
space in the third line).

This seems quite consistent with grumpyboy's analysis
of the patterns across teams.

I can't make anything of "words" in this context (it may simply
mean that the spaces really are spaces, but I hope not).


- AA

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grumpyboy wrote:
Relevant clues to the unsolved WHITE(2):
- "words" in bold twice on the wyatt page
- solution to the email was in latin (circa regna tonat)
- "step by step"
- if "one step behind" = ROT -1, what does "step by step" mean?


Don't forget about the "T" as well as the 2 words. Also, I searched for Wyatt's poem and the [Throughout the world] after Of Dissembling Words in the title is usually not there. It's mentioned twice for our purpose. So Words mentioned twice and "Throughout the world" mentioned twice along with the T. What is the reason for double "hints"? The only thing I have come up with is Towards that kind of makes sense. Towards what?

Thanks for all your ideas Very Happy .Time for me to go and try something new.

Here's some other things I've noticed. I think they've been mentioned before, but....
The missing letters are e,f,h,i,j,k,n,o,q
There are 43 letters in the message, 21 symbols, 15 spaces=79
As far as the ROT's used:
message to light the path
24 ROT 1st line
20 ROT 2nd line
23 ROT 3rd line
21 ROT 4th line
message a step behind
25 ROT (or -1 as mentioned above)
Only one missing if they are in order is 22 ROT and that is nonsense, esp. since I can't figure out the symbols.

All message titles are in small letters as are the messages themselves, expect for step by step.
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Not that we don't already know that something is hidden in this passage, but just for those who may not know "To Dissemble" means to disguise or conceal behind a false appearance.

So although a real poem, it's a purposeful choice.

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