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[QUESTION] [SPEC] Next Gen Keys
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Crane
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[QUESTION] [SPEC] Next Gen Keys

Anyone else noticed the "Next Gen Keys Unveiled" headline in the sidebar of the Sentinel? Wonder what conclusions we can draw from it. It makes it sound very much like a mobile phone type of device in some ways...
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Yeh, the 3G of Keys....

...i'd be perectly happy with one of the 2G or 1G ones, tbh.
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Well, exactly. As we don't quite know how the basic key works - maybe it's nothing too sinister, it just has more functions than the prior models. Then again, maybe it's getting closer to a neural jack than a mobile phone !!

[We know Adrian has been watching Doctor Who recently...for those of you who saw 'The Long Game']
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the one from the image looks decidedly like this one....

[url]http://www.forum.nokia.com/device/pics/9300_main.jpg[/url][/url]
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I assume that keys would have to be purchased? The trouble being that they seem to be essential to life in the city and what happens if you can't afford a key? Similarly I assume that if you can't afford the next gen key then you miss out on all the new functions, or maybe the old ones become unuseable when the new technology is introduced?
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Since everything so far is PRE-Game, I think that we'll never solve the mystery of the key - but all will become revealed upon release of the Official Game cards.

Most people have a mobile of some sort [whether 3G or not] so I'm assuming that any model would suffice. The 'Key' in picture is the Nokia 9300, a model which has already been replaced by a more up-to-date version, leading me to believe that the model isn't important, and at just short of £200 - I hope to goddess it isn't!

The important thing is authenticating the key with the authorisation code - three numerals and two letters - and I'm buggered if I can remember where I came across that little bit of info? Rolling Eyes But they appear throughout the error logs generated from the Gatehouse.

[Sorry if this is in the wrong thread BTW]
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Ah, that's an idea - that the social divide in Perplex City - the difference between the 'haves' and the 'have nots' is to what extent you're keyed into the informational matrices of the City...
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DrPiranha wrote:
I assume that keys would have to be purchased? The trouble being that they seem to be essential to life in the city and what happens if you can't afford a key?

You may also have that chicken-and-egg problem if the keys are your bank card (as Scarlet mentions). Unless their society also uses cash (something we have not seen mentioned one way or another), you have to have a key (or know someone who has one) in order to buy a new key.

Maybe they are like the free toasters you use to get when you opened a bank account. Wink Or more realistically, maybe they are like the free cellphone you get when you sign a contract for one or more years of cellphone service.

misteraitch wrote:
The 'Key' in picture is the Nokia 9300

I am not sure we have a picture of a key at this point. Which picture are you referring to?
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The thing that gets me about these keys is that surely everyone has to have one if they hold ID data, etc? Doesn't that mean babies and children as well, because presumably they need to be identifiable, and it seems to replace all forms of ID including birth certificates. Maybe if you can't afford one they get the benefit people to give you one!

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BriEnigma wrote:
You may also have that chicken-and-egg problem if the keys are your bank card...
Well if they also function as a line of credit of some sort probably most like a credit card then you could pay for it with itself, which while this my sound overly cyclic realy isn't, when ever a credit card charges a fee it's just included in your line of credit, so what would happen is you would go to "buy" a key, they would verify your identy by what ever other means is neccisary, then a credit check, once your a proved they would give you the key and you would pay for it on the key you were just handed.

Also there has to be some form of identification other then keys, otherwise to be annonymis durring criminal activity all you would have to do is leave your key at home, or steal someone elses and frame them for everything... and while finger printing and retnal scans are decent probably good enough for key identification ALL biometric tests can be beaten... I'm sure that in the end most of Perplex Cities Id theft prevention like ours is based on the fact that most people are honest and most criminals make mistakes.
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I'd assume also (on the basis of nothing other than a hunch, but there you go) that Perplexians haven't always had keys - they have emerged gradually through technological refinement, and an increasing interfacing across media (if - that is- they are indeed Internet access, credit card transferal, Ident and communications tech in one...)
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I think you're right-on.

But the PMs also have enough flexibility (of undefined 'facts'/stories) to make stuff happen on-the-fly.
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Oh suseJ, The Long Game - those neural jacks were . . . disturbing.

Give me a Matrix/ShadowRun jack any day!
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Leeravitz wrote:
Then again, maybe it's getting closer to a neural jack than a mobile phone !!

[We know Adrian has been watching Doctor Who recently...for those of you who saw 'The Long Game']


i'm not buying the head chippy spec when it comes to keys, definitely nothing like that dr who episode! is there are any other reason why 'we know adrian has been watching' it? personally, if they're not just your bog standard futuristic convergent mobile phones, then id go for something a little bit like the removable temple implants that connected the villagers to the Link in Stargate episode 5 series 7. which were apparently ripped off the outer limits. and turned out to be evil...

misteraitch wrote:
the one from the image looks decidedly like this one....

http://www.forum.nokia.com/device/pics/9300_main.jpg[/url]

...Since everything so far is PRE-Game, I think that we'll never solve the mystery of the key - but all will become revealed upon release of the Official Game cards


firstly the image we have is from a puzzle card, which doesnt say 'this is a key' so i think we can just assume its one of the MC staff's phones... possibly michael smith's since the puzzle card strange loops is quite similar in format to the instruction card.

secondly, everything so far is pre-puzzle cards, not pre-game imho. i dont think the puzzle cards are 'the' game, more 'a' game within the 'this is not a game' arg. confusing but hey...

drpiranha wrote:
I assume that keys would have to be purchased? The trouble being that they seem to be essential to life in the city and what happens if you can't afford a key? Similarly I assume that if you can't afford the next gen key then you miss out on all the new functions, or maybe the old ones become unuseable when the new technology is introduced?


as far as ID n that go, well just look at whats gonna happen if/when we get mandatory ID cards in the UK. iirc everyone who has the means to pay the £65 or so they will cost will be forced to buy one and everyone else will probably get them either subsidised or for free through the DSS. i guess the electronic money could tie in with that too, after all thered be nothing to stop these new ID cards having cash card chips in them too?
but id guess that much like mobile phones you could either go for a bog standard nokia 3310 that costs about £20 these days, or you could go for your top end multi convergent nokia 9300 that apparently costs about £200. all of them do their job, but basic users dont get to use picture messaging or GPRS or any of that malarkey. there probably are ways of doing stuff that keys do without owning one, i.e. if ppl need to use email/internet but dont have a computer (and yes, not everyone in the world sees the need for a computer) they can just go to the library or a net cafe or something.

rach =)

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At the very least, we know Adrian has been watching the new Doctor Who, because he mentioned it in his blog, so yes. Whether he watched that one or not, and whether it had any bearing *at all* on his ideas is a much more open question. I don't think that the creative process is that simple, really, and I imagine that all the technology behind keys was worked out by the PMs several years ago. I just found it an amusing coincidence. [And I didn't think much to the episode, either, but that wasn't the point Smile ]
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