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Pixiestix
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Phaedra wrote:
Pixiestix wrote:
After reading the post on the blog about how this isn't a game, i thought the best way to approach it might be "no no, it IS a game, and you have to play with us for suzie's life"

But in any case, for some reason I doubt that the ARGTalk PMs were attempting to do a game in which the players challenge TINAG.


I'm not challenging the PMs, or the "TINAG", please don't think that.... Bear with me here, please. I don't explain my actions very well, and when I try to, it sometimes comes off sounding like I'm being {for lack of a better word} pissy when I'm honestly not. The point I'd like to make is that out of context, my poor paraphrase of what I was trying to say does appear that I am making a challange to the PM, however, if you read the e-mail I sent, I think it's very easy to see that I'm telling the CHARACTER who runs the ARGTalk website that I think the person behind the kidnapping {assumed to be the Mysterious PM} wants us to play along with HIS game {it's been acknowledged that this guy is a PM, that he's been dropping off clues, and so far the best clue we have leads us to believe he's the kidnapper... Why would he not be leading the characters into a game... understand?} - therefore offering a plausible way for those of us in the ARG community to still contribute to the "true crime". Because, frankly, if we say "fine, it's not a game" then what someone ELSE said sticks in my mind {something about if it's not a game, then they should go to the proper authorities} and why would we, a gaming community be solving anything? I was simply trying to give a valid reason why we would be asking for "clues". I'm not trying to do anything to sabotage, hurt, the game or the players. I'm trying to find a way in {which no one, including me, has been able to do yet, so until someone finds a way, I'd think anything goes}.

I remember in urban hunt, we had to contact various people and have VALID reasons for wanting to be help... Some people made themselves characters, some people made up scenarios of their own to make it plausible that a group of odd people would want to help.

The big difference in my mind right now between this game, and any other, is that there is this wonderful 4th wall that is missing - we admit from the beginning we are the ARG community, yet at the same time we keep the whole "this is not a game" by saying it's a true crime - yet... it IS a game, so we have to find SOME way to play it, as ourselves, the known ARG community. I'm sorry if my actions seem out of place, but I really felt, no, feel quite justified.

This game caught my attention because it's seems so fresh. One of the things I loved about Urban Hunt was that Ron {who turned out to be the almighty bad guy who we were helping all along} talked in his In-Game blog about wanting to run an ARG.

And I do ask in advance that my words not be taken as harsh, I'm working on expressing myself better, I tend to get wordy, and come off bad.... if anything came out wrong, give me a chance to try again before getting upset, please? Smile

[EDIT]let me add, just in case::: I'm not forcing any reality on the game, the game itself has already done that. The reality has been presented : members of gaming community create website for ARGs. During this time, a gamer/PM decides to start his own deranged game, that includes kidnapping one of the members of the website. The members of the website insist they are not creating a game. Members of the full gaming community realize they need to help, but in the world of true crime, why would they? Ah, because the deranged pm {a character} has set us up to play his game, which means the talk radio site was right, they aren't creating a game, the game was ALREADY made, by the deranged PM. MAking the website members players of the game, along with us. I hope that makes more sense...[/EDIT]
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 10:05 pm
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skilletaudio
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Its a game pretending to be a game pretending to be real people pretending to be a game pretending to be real crime that is pretending to be a game.

Or to put it better: I dont think anyone is challenging the game. I think we realize that its all part of a game, but we need to know what the game thinks of itself, and the contingencies and realities harbored within. Its a few layers deep, I feel.

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Pixiestix wrote:
Phaedra wrote:
Pixiestix wrote:
After reading the post on the blog about how this isn't a game, i thought the best way to approach it might be "no no, it IS a game, and you have to play with us for suzie's life"

But in any case, for some reason I doubt that the ARGTalk PMs were attempting to do a game in which the players challenge TINAG.


I'm not challenging the PMs, or the "TINAG", please don't think that.... Bear with me here, please. I don't explain my actions very well, and when I try to, it sometimes comes off sounding like I'm being {for lack of a better word} pissy when I'm honestly not. The point I'd like to make is that out of context, my poor paraphrase of what I was trying to say does appear that I am making a challange to the PM, however, if you read the e-mail I sent, I think it's very easy to see that I'm telling the CHARACTER who runs the ARGTalk website that I think the person behind the kidnapping {assumed to be the Mysterious PM} wants us to play along with HIS game {it's been acknowledged that this guy is a PM, that he's been dropping off clues, and so far the best clue we have leads us to believe he's the kidnapper... Why would he not be leading the characters into a game... understand?} - therefore offering a plausible way for those of us in the ARG community to still contribute to the "true crime". Because, frankly, if we say "fine, it's not a game" then what someone ELSE said sticks in my mind {something about if it's not a game, then they should go to the proper authorities} and why would we, a gaming community be solving anything? I was simply trying to give a valid reason why we would be asking for "clues". I'm not trying to do anything to sabotage, hurt, the game or the players. I'm trying to find a way in {which no one, including me, has been able to do yet, so until someone finds a way, I'd think anything goes}.

I remember in urban hunt, we had to contact various people and have VALID reasons for wanting to be help... Some people made themselves characters, some people made up scenarios of their own to make it plausible that a group of odd people would want to help.

The big difference in my mind right now between this game, and any other, is that there is this wonderful 4th wall that is missing - we admit from the beginning we are the ARG community, yet at the same time we keep the whole "this is not a game" by saying it's a true crime - yet... it IS a game, so we have to find SOME way to play it, as ourselves, the known ARG community. I'm sorry if my actions seem out of place, but I really felt, no, feel quite justified.

This game caught my attention because it's seems so fresh. One of the things I loved about Urban Hunt was that Ron {who turned out to be the almighty bad guy who we were helping all along} talked in his In-Game blog about wanting to run an ARG.

And I do ask in advance that my words not be taken as harsh, I'm working on expressing myself better, I tend to get wordy, and come off bad.... if anything came out wrong, give me a chance to try again before getting upset, please? Smile

[EDIT]let me add, just in case::: I'm not forcing any reality on the game, the game itself has already done that. The reality has been presented : members of gaming community create website for ARGs. During this time, a gamer/PM decides to start his own deranged game, that includes kidnapping one of the members of the website. The members of the website insist they are not creating a game. Members of the full gaming community realize they need to help, but in the world of true crime, why would they? Ah, because the deranged pm {a character} has set us up to play his game, which means the talk radio site was right, they aren't creating a game, the game was ALREADY made, by the deranged PM. I hope that makes more sense...[/EDIT]


Can we just play the damn game with out all of this coming up? please?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 10:24 pm
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Pixiestix
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I was just responding to phaedra, who did make some very valid points, but based on a misunderstanding of what I said/did. It's good to clear things up - and in the process hopefully get a better understanding of what we are doing. I'm sure if/when this game explodes and this gets turned into multi-boards, this will be a meta type page... in the mean time, we only have one board to discuss the issues of this game on. No harm done.
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So, can we all agree, noone is trying to derail the game, but we are all trying to undertand it? Yes?

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Pixiestix wrote:
I was just responding to phaedra, who did make some very valid points, but based on a misunderstanding of what I said/did. It's good to clear things up - and in the process hopefully get a better understanding of what we are doing. I'm sure if/when this game explodes and this gets turned into multi-boards, this will be a meta type page... in the mean time, we only have one board to discuss the issues of this game on. No harm done.


No harm done, but the discussion is becoming old and beaten. It has been discussed so much that I just wish everyone would shut up about it.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 10:43 pm
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Pixiestix wrote:
I was just responding to phaedra, who did make some very valid points, but based on a misunderstanding of what I said/did. It's good to clear things up - and in the process hopefully get a better understanding of what we are doing. I'm sure if/when this game explodes and this gets turned into multi-boards, this will be a meta type page... in the mean time, we only have one board to discuss the issues of this game on. No harm done.


Oh, okay.

And hkdl, I wasn't trying to bring in any of the current debates -- I think this is a different issue entirely. Pixiestix's idea was perfectly valid; I just didn't think the idea as I understood it would turn out well if implemented.
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Back to the game... Rolling Eyes

Looking at the source of the frame page, I see <!-- m --> at the very bottom. Is this relevant at all? Or is "M" something placed by the engine that makes the page?
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Allow me to share what we discovered about the suzee's blog source tonight in #Argtalk, and we could really use someone who wants to catalogue and post this data:

You'll find that every post has an id number in the header tag., like id="a00013" or whatever. This id number has no apparant meaning to the browser, or the server, but they are presumably unique.

Not only that, but they do not behave. If these were getting assigned by the server, or a computer, one would expect them to be in chronological, or even just predictable order., but they arent. Sometimes they follow general trends across chronology, but not always.

So, the question arises: what does it all mean, Basil?
Two thoughts:
1. The numbers mean something. We should take a look at the numbers in chronological order and try to find a message within the numbers,
OR
2. We should use the numbers to re-order the posts and look for messages in the re-ordered text.

If Suzee is gone, then there should be no more updates to the site. This gives us a discrete set to operate on.

There are also pre-made categories on the blog, Args, General, and Quizzes. It may be possible that we should only concentrate on those sets seperately, or combine everything into one big set.

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CreativeEmbassy wrote:
Back to the game... Rolling Eyes

Looking at the source of the frame page, I see <!-- m --> at the very bottom. Is this relevant at all? Or is "M" something placed by the engine that makes the page?


Perhaps it is brought to use by the not-so-friendly world of M?

Mantis?
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If it is a Mantis game, it surely has some high quality...uncanny, given the recent asplosions
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FINALLY got a reply... not helpful, but it's something.

Quote:
Dear Pixie,

We will definitely post any further files from the MFD. As far as we
were concerned it was simply a PM trying to achieve a "go for launch"
status. Even with the "jones" bit, the file could simply still be a
case of a pissed off PM who didn't like Suzee's viewpoint, and took
the opportunity to freak her out a bit with launch, but not
necessarily do her harm.

Thanks for the offer and concern. We will keep you posted.

-ARGTalk


Original e-mail here
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Okay here are my observations/speculatiosn so far.

Suzee is the MFD. it is strongly implied in her blog Also, it makes sense because no one outside ARGtalk knows where the file drop point is

She was starting up her own arg, and was supposed to finish the launch on Radio day (without ARGTALK or oldtim3rs knowledge)

According to her blog, Suzee is in fact a 17 year old emo kid with teenage angst, who is looking for attention by starting an ARG. SHe got into the genre with ILB, and had her first kiss with some random kid at an Axon The kid then completely rejected her. She is HEARTBROKEN and BITTER

Suzee has been prepping some 'big thing' for many months which will 'knock the socks of of argtalk' therefore, her kidnapping may or may NOT be part of her original plan

Suzee's stalker is the only character not directly mentioned on ARGTALK prior to the radio broadcast, therefore if any person is meddling or operating independantly it is MOST LIKELY to be Stalker.

The Mysterious Buyer may or may not be part of the preganme of Suzee's ARG

A Fan may or may not be the Mysterious Buyer, OR may or may not be Scaryclown, the disgruntled ex-argtalker, OR may or may not be the Stalker, OR may be completely independant
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Phaedra wrote:

And hkdl, I wasn't trying to bring in any of the current debates -- I think this is a different issue entirely. Pixiestix's idea was perfectly valid; I just didn't think the idea as I understood it would turn out well if implemented.


Then let us take it to META discussion forum where it belongs, this thread isn't for that.

Saevitia wrote:
Okay here are my observations/speculatiosn so far.

Suzee is the MFD. it is strongly implied in her blog Also, it makes sense because no one outside ARGtalk knows where the file drop point is

She was starting up her own arg, and was supposed to finish the launch on Radio day (without ARGTALK or oldtim3rs knowledge)

According to her blog, Suzee is in fact a 17 year old emo kid with teenage angst, who is looking for attention by starting an ARG. SHe got into the genre with ILB, and had her first kiss with some random kid at an Axon The kid then completely rejected her. She is HEARTBROKEN and BITTER

Suzee has been prepping some 'big thing' for many months which will 'knock the socks of of argtalk' therefore, her kidnapping may or may NOT be part of her original plan

Suzee's stalker is the only character not directly mentioned on ARGTALK prior to the radio broadcast, therefore if any person is meddling or operating independantly it is MOST LIKELY to be Stalker.

The Mysterious Buyer may or may not be part of the preganme of Suzee's ARG

A Fan may or may not be the Mysterious Buyer, OR may or may not be Scaryclown, the disgruntled ex-argtalker, OR may or may not be the Stalker, OR may be completely independant


I think the kidnapping was part of the ARG, but I think oldtimer knew about it even hence the rather fake "Suzee! Suzee! Suzee!?" stuff.
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Argtalk now has a wiki here: http://www.seedwiki.com/wiki/argtalk/

The characters and Summary pages are up, but the puzzles page could do with a bit of filling out. Wink
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