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[LOCKED] Rules made to be Broken?
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Phaedra
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dmax wrote:
I, for one, welcome our rule-enforcing gaming geek overlords.


And, um, overladies.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 4:34 pm
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sub-xero
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Phaedra, youre missing my point.

What I am trying to say is my friend didnt break a rule. But someone obviously enjoys playing a sick joke and ruining peoples hard work. I do not appreciate this thread being made because it isnt the fault of the PM in the first place. I wanted to keep my relationship to the PM secret but now i havent been left with much choice, its a shame I had to spell it out to all of you so damn clearly when hinting didnt make a difference.

T-H-E P-M D-I-D N-O-T M-A-K-E A P-O-S-T O-N T-H-I-S F-O-R-U-M

There, pretty much like the president said "I did not have sexual relations with that woman"

The choice is ultimately yours to make.

Now if you dont mind *sigh* and Rolling Eyes are now on my side. I think I need it.

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sub-xero wrote:
Phaedra, youre missing my point.

What I am trying to say is my friend didnt break a rule. But someone obviously enjoys playing a sick joke and ruining peoples hard work. I do not appreciate this thread being made because it isnt the fault of the PM in the first place. I wanted to keep my relationship to the PM secret but now i havent been left with much choice, its a shame I had to spell it out to all of you so damn clearly when hinting didnt make a difference.

T-H-E P-M D-I-D N-O-T M-A-K-E A P-O-S-T O-N T-H-I-S F-O-R-U-M

There, pretty much like the president said "I did not have sexual relations with that woman"

The choice is ultimately yours to make.

Now if you dont mind *sigh* and Rolling Eyes are now on my side. I think I need it.


Um, if the PM didn't make the post on the forum, why the heck are you defending the people who do break the rules? Confused
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 4:49 pm
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Posting in-character is forbidden whether you are the PM or not. My apologies to your friend for the mistaken assumption, however.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 4:50 pm
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sub-xero
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Ok, time to clear this up once and for all, firstly, I do not necessarily condone breaking rules, and am not a 'kid' as some may want to put it. However I am new, thats not hard to tell, and my point was I didnt realise how serious a rule it really was anyway. Now I know just how important it is to you guys fine. My bad.

You see, if id realised itd all go off like this in the first place Id rather have just kept my mouth shut. It was just an opinion is all. And obviously not a very good one.

So to round up, Im sorry for being wrong and im not sorry for whatever scumbag messed this up. Evil or Very Mad thats just sad.

So if you can accept the apology of a guy with a big mouth then thatd be great. Im not trying to argue the bad side.

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Sub-Xero, you are tentatively forgiven, although I'm not sure who's done what or why.

I'm sure you can now appreciate that it would have been better if you were clear from the outset, though.

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GuyP wrote:
Sub-Xero, you are tentatively forgiven, although I'm not sure who's done what or why.

I'm sure you can now appreciate that it would have been better if you were clear from the outset, though.


Yes.

I'm still not clear, considering that the President *did* have sexual relations with Lewinsky. Rolling Eyes

But whatever, moving on...
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 5:21 pm
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yea. the president did have... ah screw it. you know what im sayin. But basically, what i mean is i can say whatever, but its down to you whether or not you beleive it.

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sub, may I take a stab, just for clarity's sake? (then we'll all get plastered and lose said clarity...)

You're saying that someone in game, without authorization from the PM, had posted an in-game somethingorother, and that has caused this whole pooh-poohing on the game?

If so, then yes, the PM is not as much at fault as thought, but then again, the PM is responsible for the entirety of the gameplay, including his/her staff...

Not to get all up ons this one, but you know what I mean...

(yeah, I said "all up ons." deal with it yo.) Laughing

But if it was someone who just was trolling, and made some comment that was not truly in-game, but could not be ignored, as it was now part of the game, then that's something else altogether...

But yeah, could you please explain a little more in-depth what exactly your case is here... I did not play the game, so I may be out of the loop for the answer that's obvious and if so, trout away... but I couldn't find the info...
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 4:04 pm
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welcome to unfiction

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However I am new, thats not hard to tell, and my point was I didnt realise how serious a rule it really was anyway. Now I know just how important it is to you guys fine. My bad.


Hey - welcome to unfiction. I am not sure why your post wasn't just discretely answered by a moderator as such things usually are. Maybe it was just a matter of bad timing.

The moderators are excellent at recognizing the possibility that someone is attempting to hijack, or cause trouble with, a game. And they handle those rare occasions when people involved in a game break the "no PM posting about their own game rule" quickly and with a minimum of fuss. Also, they excel at answering new players in a way that makes them feel welcomed and not embarassed for making a mistake.

The problem is that people are quite sensitive about this rule and very keen to see it enforced. You accidentally touched a nerve that drew a strong response.

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You see, if id realised itd all go off like this in the first place Id rather have just kept my mouth shut. It was just an opinion is all. And obviously not a very good one.

So to round up, Im sorry for being wrong


If we all had to apologize for making newbie mistakes the threads would be huge. And mine would be the longest. Smile

Don't sweat it and, again, welcome.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 4:20 pm
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sub-xero
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Ok, firstly to DorkMaster -

The post was not relevant to the game - whatsoever. this is not the PM's fault, just some jerk making things bad.

Secondly to Rose -

Thanks! glad someone sees the lighter side of the argument, and thankyou for the welcome, its nice to be accepted! Very Happy

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The Watcher
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sub-xero knows what's going on.

A good discussion, but this is all related to Neurocam. Neurocam is not an ARG, and therefore none of the rules apply.

See my longer post here
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Well I think it's arguable wethere neurocam is an ARG or not. but to some degree that's beside the point. We still had a character posting on the board...is that acceptable? Just because it's not an "ARG" can these boards be used for what ever purpose anyone sees fit?

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colin wrote:
Well I think it's arguable wethere neurocam is an ARG or not. but to some degree that's beside the point. We still had a character posting on the board...is that acceptable? Just because it's not an "ARG" can these boards be used for what ever purpose anyone sees fit?

Not to mention we have another guy come in and:

a: first says it's okay to break the rules
b: when he gets smacked down, recants and says the guy is new and just maybe it wasn't 'the pm' to begin with
c: accuses us of ruining an arg (that isn't an arg to begin with??)
d: claims his friend is the PM but that his friend didn't make the post (but also compares it to the presidents sexual indiscrtion with ms lewinsky which still doesn't clarify anything)
e: after getting smacked around some more, tries to apologize again
f: states yet again that it's just a jerk messing around

At least I now know who the jerk/troll is. Now perhaps they would like to go play in traffic on the 405 freeway and stop cluttering up our meta & news/rumors sections.
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So we have two contradictory explanations for the single "jack spicer" post...

1. From sub-xero - that the person posting wasn't a PM or character, just someone trying to interfere with the game.

2. From the watcher - that the person "Jack Spicer" sends emails and references the unfiction threads, but it doesn't matter that "Jack Spicer" posted here because Neurocam is not an ARG therefore the rules don't apply. He says that sub-xero knows what is going on. He suggests that interested people contact him, Jack Spicer or sub-xero to find out more information about Neurocam. ( If I understand correctly, Neurocam's rules prevent the sub-xero or the watcher from posting the email instructions they receive here at unfiction.)

I suggest that you get your story straight. Unless the mission is to provoke META discussion on this board, an idea which is too lame even for Neurocam, what are you trying to accomplish?

The rule against characters or PMs posting about their own game is to maintain the integrity of the board. In-game communications violate that integrity. Arguing that "Jack Spicer" didn't violate that rule, because the Neurocam mindset is so different that we can't comprehend it, is just rude. Not only rude, but also a logical fallacy - I'll let you figure out which one.
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