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[ramsfan]

Hope I'm not just showing my ignorance but my thinking was;
Either we have to wait til we have the card order clued by the prime number cards (but that goes against suggestions that the card is solveable on its own, and we just have to look more closely at it) or we have to make an assumption about the starting order. A reasonable assumption is the standard bridge order as suggested in the sample at the end of the website above, ie

Sample Output
Here's some sample data to practice your Solitaire skills with:
Sample 1: Start with an unkeyed deck: A-clubs to K-clubs, A-diamonds to K-diamonds, A-hearts to K-hearts, A-spades to K-spades, A joker, B joker. (You can think of this as 1 ... 52, A, B.)

I presume that's the starting order used by the computer programme given a long time ago. I played with that and got nowhere.

[doomsdayred]

[chichiri]

I think we should go along with what's written on the card, to put it simply I suggest we go with what rams suggested from the solitaire cipher page, but rearrange the suits to correspond with the order on the card, it seems obvious enough.

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[locqust]

[chichiri]

I coulda sworn that was the clue to the solitaire cipher.

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[locqust]

Possibly, but people picked up that idea from the fact that Schneier mentioned his jokers had stars on them as he wrote the webpage out. If this was supposed to be a hint to look at Solitaire then I would of thought the card would mention a star on both the jokers each one a different size. As a reference to his webpage so we knew we were on the right track. (And as way to say Joker A and B, which most decks of cards have some way to tell them apart anyway, usually a big and little joker.)
Also the deck of cards and groupings of 5 letters would be enough to let us know this is a Solitaire cipher.

As the star was presumably marked by the contact at 5 of cups on a theorectically unkeyed, new, deck this got me thinking it is the clue to the passcode and/or deck order. Perhaps another name that links joker and star? (Jes-star? )

Apologies for spelling errors and if it seems a little disjointed in my writing, only just really woken up!

[doomsdayred]

Stumbling around in the dark I came accross this website which refers to a pre launch cipher and an applet which unlocks it. I can't get the applet to load, does anyone else have any luck?

http://www.tranzed.net/project_syzygy/Pre-Launch.htm


applet http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/%7Ed97roli/project/krypto/

[beglee]

[doomsdayred]

According to this webpage http://www.schneier.com/solitaire.html an Unkeyed deck goes in the order of Clubs, Diamonds, Hearts & Spades. Jokers are at the end of the deck and referred to as Joker A and Joker B.

[doomsdayred]

Sorry for the crappy formatting above. Just looking again at the card and the message "if entropy wins" has 13 letters as does 1 suit of cards, Ace through to King.

As this part of the message remains unsolved, could this be the code for keystream?

[ramsfan]

Outside looks and Will leave you both have 12 (unless you count spaces) and using traditional crossword clues you could add the c of cold to either. I know these cards are supposed to stand alone but I was interested in the double mention of cold. Now we have a card (cold fission) with a password: YIITSIA

[Atrophied]

[doomsdayred]

[MatthewJames]

I dnt know if anybody has pointed this out yet but I was just messing around on this anagram server:
http://www.wordsmith.org/anagram/index.html
with the letters that dissapear:
EODMF XRUTH
And if you jumble up the Letters You get:

[MatthewJames]

Does this name ring any bells to anyone?