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[Ashin]

So the really short answer to the Schrödinger page is that it's probably not helpful. If you feel like entering a layer of hell for a moment, keep reading.

I'll try to briefly explain (in English) why it's unlikely to help...

Remember in chemistry how they told you about these cool little particle things call 'electrons' that move super fast around the nucleus of an atom and allow it to bond, have different shells, etc.? Well, they were really lying to you about the whole business. There really is no such thing as a particle electron in the universe, it just makes it easier to understand when teaching chemistry to people. Electrons are actually waves. What this means is that the electron actually exists over a region of space, so that it exists all around the nucleus at the same time. That means you could have a 75% probability that the electron may be over in one place at a given time, and a 25% probability it will be in another place at the same time. The moment you take a reading, though, the electron sucks itself up into one tiny little place, and you get your particle reading, but the moment you stop taking a reading, it starts to dissipate itself over space again. This whole process and reasoning is explained by Quantum Mechanics through the Schrödinger equation (a partial differential equation over space and time relating energy by applying the energy Hamiltonian to the wave and having it yield the same result as the energy eigen value applied to the wave ) [I didn't have much fun while I was in school btw]. I hadn't seen the Djinn variable before related to this, and it is interesting, but because of the Schrödinger equation itself, I think it's very unlikely this will help solving the card, but I could always be wrong.

And for those of you still in school, be glad you aren't majoring in physics, here's the Schrödinger as you use it to solve for Hydrogen:


-Ashinkui

[Ashin]

On a completely different note, has anyone else looked at the light(er) areas around where the deck of cards has the yellow opening ribbon?

It looks to me like there could be some sort of text hidden along the stripe, but I haven't been able to make anything of it. Maybe someone using a good filtering method could see more.

-Ashinkui

[donstobbart]

Had a look at my scan to see the gold tear strip, but it looks like just shading to me, but my scanners not great so didn't get much detail when I zoomed in on it.

I emailed a person who knows about decks of cardsto try to find out if he knows exactly which deck it is. I know all the info is already here, but I'll post his reply anyway.

[XrayIan]

I have tried several ways of using the phrase "If entropy wins ..." to set up a deck of cards prior to using the solitaire cypher - No luck so far !

A second point that struck me was there is a motorbike on a bicycle playing card. Pointing to engines of some sort. I wondered if this combined with the Entropy phrase was pointing in the direction of Carnot engines. Again tried loads of solitaire keyphrases concerning carnot engines etc. and have not had any luck.

Anybody got any other suggestions as this card is driving me crazy !!

[donstobbart]

Just thinking aloud here so feel free to ignore me.

We are (nearly) sure this is a solitaire cipher.
We have the code, but need the key to generate a keystream.
We have a few clues, which (hopefully) will give us the key. I personally think these clues are:- The motorbikes in the corners, the compass, and the made in china on the side, and the spoken words "If entrophy wins, outwards looks should leave you cold." Anyone jump in with other clues Please!

I just don't know how these add up to give the key. Looked at chinese motorbikes, but can't get anywhere with the key. Looked at chinese motorbikers, but still nothing. Got really desperate and looked at chinese celebrities, but still nothing!! I've looked closely at the card using my scan, and can't see any secret stuff, but did notice that the card looks like its got another strip above the gold one. There is a white line seems to go across the whole deck, and the fourth motorbike is whited out. Three motorbikes? No idea.

Don

[hally]

I may be way of track here but maybe the key or word or whatever it is you're looking for is YIISTIA. Remember Cold Fission?

Hally

[XrayIan]

Donstobart wrote

[UKver2.0]

Can Somebody Transcribe The Cognivia Text From The Back Of The Card. It Is Incomplete In The Catalog. I Know It Shouldn't Have Anything To Do With The Cypher Since Garnet Didn't Have The Puzzle Maker's Card, But I Won't Get The Card For Another Week (Thank You eBay) And I'm Running Out Of Ideas.

[donstobbart]

The text on the back of the card says:

[padge]

[Stratman]

I am fairly new to this, but have started having a closer look at this card and would like to join the fray.
There seem to be so many pointers to a solitaire cipher (playing cards, five letter groups, starred joker etc) that i am convinced it would be a cruel red herring if it were not to be that.
The 108 character string does seem to be a nice coincidence for a two letter code for each card. Thinking aloud, the key to this maybe in figuring how a two letter code could produce a 1 for the ace of clubs, and a 53 and 54 for the two jokers, when on a letter numbering basis, only the numbers 2 to 52 would be available.
One other point that keeps getting mentioned about the order of the pack. I assume it cannot be a sealed deck as someone had to take a joker out to put a star on it? So a 'store bought' order could not be relied on.
Struggling on...

[ramsfan]

Tried to order the cards using neighbouring letters, both horizontally, ie as they read, and vertically if you line them up, with one line of 54 letters above the other. I figured that you could order them AA to ZZ if you get my meaning. Doesn't work. If you do it as they read, there are 2 SM's and 2 VM's (one double might have been OK for the jokers). If you do it vertically, you get 2 BX's, 2 LH's 2 YO's and 2 YV's. Thought I'd put it in in case it gives someone an idea. And no D's.

[doomsdayred]

[Stratman]

Spent some time hunting through old motorcycle pix and I have come to the conclusion that the bikes on the card are just an artist's impression of a generic road bike loosely based on an early 1970s Japanese road bike. From the tank shape, oil tank shape and what looks like a two stroke engine, the closest I could find was a 1972 Yamaha DS 7...

http://www.bikez.com/bike/index.php?bike=7917

Close, but certainly not exact.
What also leads me to believe it is just an artist's impression is that if an artist was drawing from a bike or a photograph of one, he would not have drawn the spoked front wheel with no brake - there is neither a drum nor a disc.
I still think the motorbike must be some sort of clue - it is an obvious departure from the Bicycle 2000 design mentioned earlier - but I suspect searching for an exact match will prove fruitless.
Not much help I suspect.
Struggling on...

[massiverugsale]

I'm off out tonight but noted from the discussions that we are possibly co-relating cards for letter (visa versa) I know there is a cipher/code involved - but noted also that the narrator of the card was playing poker at the time in the five of cups - (lets assum 5 card stud or hold'm) - the letters on the side of the pack are in groups of 5 (apart from that darned LUL).

additionally

I noting that the grayed out letters amount to 10 characters - the total number of charaters is 128 - remove the 10 Grayed out characters leaves you with the infamous 108 number as the remaining characters.

so I'm thinking something to do with card hands in a game of poker along the edge of the pack....

also: two brand new packs of cards as they come out the pack (not sure how they come but must be a standard order e.g. Ah, 2h, 2h, etc allthrough the suites in the jokers) equals 108 cards which equals 4 lots of the British alphabet - the letters on the outside of the pack could co-relate to winning poker hands or something to do with poker hands? argh!!


damn it's Friday night I guess I haven't helped and I have a life!! bye...