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Sentinel
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Joined: 07 Oct 2005 Posts: 109 Location: St Helens
[Ivy Set] #161 Dances With Bees This is the first card I've been able to start the topic about, received in my order from zonzab this morning, my scanner is out of action at the moment but I will try to get a scan up as soon as possible unless someone can do it quicker.
worth 41 points, this card contains a picture of a bee and a diagram of a flight path layed over a honeycomb pattern in the center, surrounded by a concentric circles labelled 100m 200m and 300m.
Spread within these circles are identical flowers labelled A to K.
The question "Which flower is this bee dancing about?" is asked. Also at the bottom of the card is, "Apis mellifera carnica
For those interested, the card was designed by Kurt.
Sorry if this isn't much use, as it's the first time i've started a discussion about a card.
Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:29 am
fretty
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Joined: 19 Nov 2004 Posts: 281 Location: South Yorkshire, England
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I was reading about this yesterday. Apparantly bees can do dances to tell others where flowers are. The speed in which the bee does the dance (called the waggle dance) tells how far away the flower is and the direction of the straight part tells what direction the flower is relative to the sun. I think that the straight part is the zig zag bit of the path.
Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:42 am
thelayfields
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Joined: 30 Mar 2006 Posts: 20
A little bee history Apis Mellifera Carnica is the Carnolian bee (Greybee) and is from Slovinia. The bee is a non-aggressive bee, but swarms a lot. It is also resistant to illness. They were originally bred to feed on buckwheat, perhaps if you find the buckwheat flower, we have the answer?
Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:55 am
zaeil
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Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 233 Location: NC, US
I had to go find a pic of this card--this one really does need the visuals. If somebody would be so kind as to add a scan to this post, that'd help folks out a lot.
Anyway...here's a Wikipedia article on the fine art of the honeybee waggle dance. That info will help!
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The waggle dance pattern is in a figure 8, which means that the flower is far away, but it has a relatively short run, indicating that it isn't too far off. The angle of the dance's run is 45 degrees to the right of the sun. So if we head in that direction from the hive, we run smack into flower C.
Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 3:09 pm
X_X
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Can we get an image of this card, Expecially highlighting the letter pieces
on each corner?
Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 4:06 pm
duckiemonster
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Joined: 10 Dec 2005 Posts: 554 Location: Oxford, UK
There are no letter pieces on this card.
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 12:59 pm
looosy
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Joined: 04 Aug 2005 Posts: 48 Location: Kent, England
Its not a good quality image but it might help you in the mean time
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Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 11:20 am
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looosy
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Joined: 04 Aug 2005 Posts: 48 Location: Kent, England
Having now spent about an hour reading about waggle dances I am still no nearer to finding the answer.
But I think the A to K letters and distances are possibly a red-herring and the flower is more related to the red line in the middle. It looks a bit like a pollen grain?
I also don't know the name of the pink flowers next to the letters, but knowing this might also help.
Any ideas?
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 12:09 pm
looosy
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Joined: 04 Aug 2005 Posts: 48 Location: Kent, England
This card makes much more sense when you realise what kind of answer you need!!
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The question is: Which flower is the bee dancing about?
With the possible answers being - A to H
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 12:44 pm
donxkey
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Joined: 09 Apr 2006 Posts: 42
I found this card suprisingly easy for a purple. maybe it was just luck but after reading
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that the direction of the straight run communicates the direction of the food
you've pretty much got it nailed[/spoiler]
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 2:37 pm
cloudrun
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Joined: 01 May 2006 Posts: 5
Yeah, it does seem easy but I tried G, I, K, A and C; all incorrect. Only seemingly viable one left is J but that isn't in line with the waggledance.
Someone put me out of my 'misery'. I'm beginning to think that I must have dreamed that I tried these letters because it makes little sense otherwise.
Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 4:49 pm
Magma
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Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 119
They could have at least made it tricky by showing the bee dancing on vertical honeycomb in a field with 3D perspective, and putting the sun at a nonarbitrary direction indicated by shadows on the flowers.
The vertical angle between straight up and the direction of the waggle is the same as the horizontal angle between the direction of the sun and the direction of the flower. By superimposing the vertical of the honeycomb and the horizontal direction of the sun, they took all the purpleness out of this card and made it more (shudders to think) yellow...
Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 5:16 pm
Flynn
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Joined: 11 Nov 2003 Posts: 240 Location: UK
cloudrun wrote:
Yeah, it does seem easy but I tried G, I, K, A and C
...
I'm beginning to think that I must have dreamed that I tried these letters because it makes little sense otherwise.
Spoiled just in case...
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Are you sure you tried them all? You've got the (confirmed for me) right answer in that list )
Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 5:59 pm
Stalker
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Joined: 15 Mar 2006 Posts: 2 Location: Southampton, UK
This type of dance is called the sickle dance and so relates differently to the basic waggledance.
I think there are three types of dance all helping with directions and distances of pollen from the hive.
Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 2:44 pm
Corvus
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Joined: 03 Sep 2006 Posts: 8 Location: Vancouver, Canada
This card was easier than most Orange ones. The moment I saw the card I remembered a Nova episode about bee dances and I thought I knew the answer. It only took a few minutes to confirm it using Google.
This is disappointing because it's a great puzzle and MC could have made it much more difficult. As Magma pointed out, the sun and hive could have been at different angles, and they could have put another flower at the same angle but at a distance that would have elicited the Round Dance instead of a waggle dance.
Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 11:32 pm
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