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PUZZLE Wes Keeler Combination
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dmax
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 		Might trigger something...
Anagram for "Dale Castle Green Rd"

    Sell Created Danger
    Trees Called: Danger
    Lead Red Rectangles
    Greene Card Stalled
    Greene Cradled Last
    Greene Calls Traded


and my fave:

    S. Greene Called: Drat!
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AbuAmaal
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 		SPEC Anti-Dühring (Stevoid)
Picking up on Stevoid's post. The phenomenon seems interesting.
A search for "mais si c'était vrai" on cluesearch.com produces
a result completely different from the Google search.

Here's what seems to be happening: the Google search, which is
quite productive, is turning up nothing on the cluesearch page,
possibly because the accented e is mangled in the process.

But the cluesearch engine does turn up one reference, which
tells us that this is an internal reference to the cache of Dale-inspected
documents. It doesn't tell us much about why Dale was reading the
Anti-Dühring, and in a French translation to boot! By the way essentially
the same link is found by Google, but in pdf rather than rtf.

Now the passage is a bit hard to find in the document, again because
of that pesky accented e. But it is there on page 38:

Quote:

312. Tous les socialistes de la Restauration tournés contre le côté politique de la révolution. C'est leur faute capitale, - faux, mais si c'était vrai, ce ne serait tout de même que contre la bourgeoisie!


I doubt very much this is what we are looking for, but I'll translate anyway.
This is a note, not a coherent text, so I'll preserve (or accentuate) its clumsiness:

All of the Restoration socialists rejecting the political side of
the revolution. It's their fatal error, -- false, but if it were true
it would only be against the bourgeoisie!

It's a 92-page document in rtf format. I've scanned the first half
and it seems completely irrelevant. Philosophy, history -
Hegel, Kant, Laplace, Darwin; property, violence.

Dale said everything he surfed is in his searchable cache. Wonder how this one got in.

- AA

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 		Re: SPEC Anti-Dühring
Well done AA! Then it seems definitely significant that it finds only that page, when no accents used in the search, and when the accent IS used in the text. If it wasn't important in some way, I would expect to find either loads of entries (like Google) for texts not using accents in the search or text - but not that page in that case! - and even more if it is searching for either and would indeed find that page.

Now to figure out the meaning though...

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 		[Feeble attempt] I know people have mentioned that the circles could represent a zodiac chart, could it also map a combination dial? If so the pictures could relate to the nine planets (plus the sun and moon for 11 total). For example, if the picture of the thinker represents a 1, then that could mean Mercury or The Sun. Find where that would lie on the zodiac chart, and then overlay a standard combination dial to get a combination number.

The only problem is there are four pictures instead of the standard three number combination. Add the fact that "the doily-thingy" exceeds 11. Oh well!?[/Feeble attempt] Very Happy
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 		Numerology
I'm pretty sure the answer lies in here somewhere.

http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/rodin.html

Skip to the numerology bit.

Wish I could tell Sam, but I can't because of the Aglaura site being down. Guess I'll write Dale at his temp address.

Dia
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 		SPEC Wes Keeler Combination
It looks like we are being pointed toward Marko Rodin, possibly,
in the latest Dale email.

Among his numerological fantasies, a central role is played, apparently,
by the sequence of powers of two taken modulo 9 (there seem to
be a lot of nines around that kind of numerology, actually).
Anyway the sequence is
1 2 4 8 7 5
(after that, as Mozart said, it just repeats).

I'm suggesting we try as a combination 12 48 75. Since everything
is down at once and Sam's not receiving mail at the moment, I've sent
the idea to Dale.

This is not to suggest I understand much of anything at all, but it seemed worth a try. I don't even know if we're really being pointed to Marko Rodin.

The crucial missing ingredient is how to use the third and fourth pictures.

I can turn them all into plants actually:
Rodin lettuce, Sunflower, Foxglove, Palm
but I don't see much point in doing that.

Wasn't Wes' hint expected to be reasonably sensible?

- AA

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 		Woops!
I posted this here too.

AbuAmaal wrote:
Spoiler (Rollover to View):

Its an anagram

Namely:
Spoiler (Rollover to View):

Search "sunflower", "rodin"

Time to get to work
- AA



GREAT JOB!!

Now, I'm sure we've all been searching and the one site ( http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/rodin.html ), but I'm not sure that is what we're looking for.

I went to http://www.caus.org/codezone/cz021800.shtml
which than lead me to here: http://members.aol.com/codeufo/gematria.8.html

If I used the right labels for Wes' pictures, than this is what I came up with. It still gives us 4 numbers. Maybe this will help someone else.
Using the A=1, B=2, C=3, than use the chart at the above "gematria" link to give the "letternumber" sums.

R....O....D....I....N
18....15....4....9....14=60
SIX + ZERO= 8

S...U...N...F...L...O...W...E...R
19...21...14...6...12...15...23...5...18=133
ONE + THREE + THREE=11

F...O...X...G...L...O...V...E
6...15...24...7...12...15...22...5=106
ONE + ZERO + SIX=15

H...A...N...D
8...1...14...4=27
TWO + SEVEN= 6
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 		Gap Sequence?
3, 6, & 9 are the gap sequence. I think, perhaps, that may be the combo.

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 		Yes, you are right. I tried to delete my post, but you already replied. Oh well. If I would have kept reading on that page I would have found what you said....... Very Happy

Well, I went back and read the page I was on and it seems this guy is using the Rodin Sunflower pattern, but with numbers. Don't know if it helps. Just throwing this out there.

1, 2, 4, 8, 7, 5 (If you didn't follow this, each number in this series is twice the number just before it. The 7 comes from 8+8=16, then cross-adding the two digits of the number 16: 1+6=7. The 5 comes from 7+7=14, then 1+4=5)

Notice that the numbers 3, 6, and 9 are missing. The missing numbers are thought to be a "gap space" pattern, related to the torus spiral, the shape of which, I'm told, is governed by the Fibonacci sequence. It also happens that in my discovery of the patterns within our alphabet (http://members.aol.com/cod eufo/gematria.html ), these alphabet patterns produce the exact same series, 1, 2, 4, 8, 7, 5, except that they are in alpha-form (ONE, TWO, FOUR, EIGHT, SEVEN, FIVE) and with the exact same 3-6-9 gap spacing.
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 		Re: SPEC Wes Keeler Combination
AbuAmaal wrote:
The crucial missing ingredient is how to use the third and fourth pictures.
I can turn them all into plants actually:
Rodin lettuce, Sunflower, Foxglove, Palm
but I don't see much point in doing that
- AA


I don't mean to keep bringing this up but, remember the first "help" email sent to Dale? When I traced the lines, the "Foxglove" became the focal point.

So turning them into plants like AA said might be right. Just use lettuce instead of Rodin lettuce.
So the pictures would be lettuce, sunflower, foxglove, and palm like AA said. Esp is the Foxglove is right being the focal point.

Maybe I can give you guys something to help you one of these times Very Happy
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 		INFO Rodin's site
We might also want Marko's main site: at
aerodynamicsss.com. It looks rather elaborate though.

If all we're going to get from this is the combination, this may be overdoing it.

- AA

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 		INFO Rodin Coil
The plot thickens

Scroll down to mid-page

- AA

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 		Another idea
I don't think we are to use the Rodin's sunflower theory at all.

The hand actually represents the combo being 5 digits. So I think we should be looking for xx,xx,x in any order. It is a 100 number dial, right?

So somehow Rodin, sunflower (given in the second email from "ishunbruce") and foxglove (given in the first email from "ishunbruce") equals our combination.
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 		Maybe the solve?
So taking Wes' normal code thinking (first letters of the words):

R=18
S=19
F=6

I sent this to Dale. Keep your fingers crossed
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 		More stuff about rodin coils:

http://www.rialian.com/rnboyd/rodin.htm
http://www.innerx.net/personal/tsmith/SegalConf2.html#MarkoRodin
http://216.239.33.104/search?q=cache:lmFPh8yS_m8C:www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/rodin.html+rodin+coil&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
http://aerodynamicsss.com/index.php
http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/donutz.htm

Check some of these out. I find it interesting that a map of energy flow on a Rodin coil is called a "sunflower map"...

-Dan
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