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PUZZLE Wes Keeler Combination
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Valas
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 		Spec:

The Thinker = Rodin
Sunflower = Coil

Digitalis and Hand are the base numbers (say for instance 6 and 5), and we have to toss them through the coil equation to get the actual passcode for his safe??

Number of flowers foxglove has, or its numerical value could also be a base number..

Just specc'ing here.

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AbuAmaal
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 		Spec Combination pictures
If the first two are Rodin+sunflower
then the second pair might follow the same pattern:
Wyatt+hand

Unfortunately, this doesn't seem to take
me anywhere.

- AA

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 		Re: Numerology
Diandra wrote:
I'm pretty sure the answer lies in here somewhere.

http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/rodin.html

Skip to the numerology bit.
Dia


I don't understand squat of this Smile but found this interesting:

Quote:
A very curious correspodance to the Sunflower Map is provided by a technique pioneered by physicist Roger Penrose called quasitiling.

Isn't Penrose the name of the missingmanuscript.com guy. (albeit Colin)

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Valas
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 		Re: Numerology
cemgate2002 wrote:
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Quote:
A very curious correspodance to the Sunflower Map is provided by a technique pioneered by physicist Roger Penrose called quasitiling.

Isn't Penrose the name of the missingmanuscript.com guy. (albeit Colin)


Yes.

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AbuAmaal
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 		SPEC Third Picture
Wondering if that friar sculpture could be a representation
of a specific Franciscan monk.

For example St. Bonaventure, author of "The Tree of Life".
(Also had something to say about the parable of the withered hand.)

Problem is, as far as I know foxglove is only associated
with Mary and I don't see any other distinguishing features here.
Not that I know anything of iconography
or hagiography, but I hope somebody does.


- AA

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Valas
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 		Spec:

Our supposed code is actually: Let Rodin's Sunflower, Guide your Hand.
How this translates into a numerical code, I got no idea..
But an Allegory over an actual password does seem to be like Wes's style.

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AbuAmaal
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 		Puzzle Combination: Combinations tried
I believe these are the ones that Sam has tried
so far:



0 - 2 - 65 || 0 - 26 - 5 || 0 - 29 - 65
1 - 2 - 65 || 1 - 10 - 15 || 1 - 24 - 87 || 1 - 26 - 5
1 - 29 - 11 || 1 - 29 - 13 || 1 - 29 - 15
1 - 29 - 3 || 1 - 29 - 5 || 1 - 29 - 56 || 1 - 29 - 65
2 - 9 - 65 || 2 - 91 - 15 || 2 - 96 - 5
3 - 2 - 65 || 3 - 6 - 9 || 3 - 26 - 5
5 - 29 - 66 || 5 - 29 - 65 || 5 - 60 - 1
6 - 5 - 2 || 7 - 29 - 11 || 8 - 29 - 65
7 - 43 - 70 || 7 - 48 - 75
9 - 23 - 97 || 9 - 25 - 97

10 - 1 - 3 || 10 - 1 - 5 || 10 - 6 - 3 || 10 - 6 - 5 || 10 - 29 - 14
11 - 5 - 25
12 - 4 - 87 || 12 - 6 - 5 || 12 - 9 - 13 || 12 - 9 - 15 || 12 - 43 - 75
12 - 45 - 78 || 12 - 48 - 7 || 12 - 48 - 70 || 12 - 48 - 75
12 - 96 - 5

18 - 19 - 6 || 18 - 29 - 5
19 - 18 - 37 || 19 - 35 - 15

20 - 19 - 12 || 20 - 19 - 48 || 20 - 29 - 5 || 20 - 29 - 56
20 - 29 - 65 || 20- 46 - 16
23 - 14 - 79
29 - 6 - 5 || 29 - 11 - 5

30 - 35 -11 || 32 - 6 - 5 || 35 - 31 - 23 || 39 - 66 - 93
40 - 29 - 56 || 40 - 29 - 65 || 43 - 96 - 65
50 - 29 - 66 || 58 - 52 -42
65 - 29 - 1 || 65 - 43 - 96
79 - 14 - 23 || 88 - 29 - 65 || 96 - 65 - 43




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 		Spec: Re: Safecode??
enaxor@collectivedetective posted:

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With Valas' spec and something Elder brought up a few days ago I just
sent 12-45-78 as a combination for Sam to try. Valas made me think of "Rodin + Sunflower + Map(Guide) + Measurment(Hand), which made me think of the "gap spaces". We have four pictures, but only 3 spaces. Elder mentioned he had sent the gap space numbers as a possible solve. The numbers I sent are the ones preceeding each gap space. 12--(3)--45--(6)--78--(9). I hope this makes sense and I hope it might spark some other ideas.

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StarkRavingMad
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 		Looking at the pictures again last night, I don't think the guide is Digitalis. If you look closely at it (hey, wasn't that what the last message said to do?) he appears to have no right hand at all. At first I figured his hand was just hidden in the robe, but didn't Dale mention in his last chat that one of the guides had only one hand? I strongly suspect that is the guide we are looking at, which leaves us with "guide" or something related to Sarah Wyatt as whatever code word Wes was trying to convey in that third picture.

Or something else I haven't thought of yet.

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enaxor
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StarkRavingMad wrote:
Looking at the pictures again last night, I don't think the guide is Digitalis. If you look closely at it (hey, wasn't that what the last message said to do?) he appears to have no right hand at all. At first I figured his hand was just hidden in the robe, but didn't Dale mention in his last chat that one of the guides had only one hand? I strongly suspect that is the guide we are looking at, which leaves us with "guide" or something related to Sarah Wyatt as whatever code word Wes was trying to convey in that third picture.

Or something else I haven't thought of yet.


How about minus hand or minus 5. Rodin's Sunflower Map(guide) minus 5.
Rodin's number sequence is 1,2,4,8,7,5, if you minus the 5 you get 3 possible combinations: , 1-24-87, 12-4-87, or 12-48-7.
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 		Does anyone know if any of the combinations included something to do with the "da" symbol on the hand? Maybe that is what we are to "look closely" at for the last picture Question
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AbuAmaal
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 		SPEC Combination
Just to mention, I've sent in 1-17-99 on the basis of the picture
here.

Now it seems to me that, just possibly, the message is:
Rodin + sunflower + not right hand + left hand.

We were sent this particular coil test diagram, but
the word "sunflower" is not on this page. So it all seems
a bit too obscure, but worth a try.

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Now I've noticed that if you use Google images to
search for the Rodin coil you get this site instead.
Also without sunflowers.

Anyway I'll also suggest that Sam or Dale try the dates from
this one, 9-23-97 and 9-25-97 just in case.



- AA

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 		Please bear with me as I don't have a great grasp on this stuff.
While searching around the sunflower stuff I saw the following on a Heremtic Philosophy-Level 2 Creation page about the Sunflower/Fibonacci sequence:

Quote:
Every sunflower head has 2 spirals that consist of interlaced seeds. One spiral goes clockwise, the other anti-clockwise and they fit each other perfectly. In some species there are 34 clockwise spirals and 55 anti-clockwise spirals, whilst in other species there are 55 and 89, or even 89 and 144. It depends on the species of sunflower, but they are all related numbers. What is the significance? These are consecutive numbers in the Fibonacci sequence:

1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89, 144, etc……..


One spiral is feminine and the other is masculine. But there is more. If we take the fraction 34/55 and multiply it by 3600, we get 222.50. This is an external angle and hence we subtract 1800 and finish up with 137.50. So what? This is the golden angle of Greek sacred mathematics and is related to the golden number f , or 0.618034. There is a very close relationship between the Fibonacci sequence and the golden number. It happens that the double spiral only appears if the seeds grow at a divergence angle of 137.50. The feminine and masculine are united in a very precise way by a mathematical ratio. This is the division of a line into the mean and extreme ratios. In Greek sacred geometry, this was one way of depicting the Logos as the principle of order and harmony.



Just thinking when I saw it that our number could begin with "1" (the Thinker)....and it could end with "5" (The Hand).

With Rubin's latest email subject "Let Me Get To The Point " and his first sentence in the letter being the same. Could the statue be "pointing"....looks possible. Maybe 137.5 (137 point 5)? Or 1-37-5?

I don't know if what I'm suggesting is even makes sense, but maybe it will give someone else something to think about.

Again...apologies to all you math whizzes who know what this stuff actually means.. Smile

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 		Re: SPEC Combination
AbuAmaal wrote:


We were sent this particular coil test diagram, but
the word "sunflower" is not on this page. So it all seems
a bit too obscure, but worth a try.

Now I've noticed that if you use Google images to
search for the Rodin coil you get this site instead.
Also without sunflowers.
- AA


http://www.rialian.com/rnboyd/rodin.htm

danman_d posted this site a few days ago. I think it is the only web page where both the sunflower map and the graphic used in Wes' hint are together.
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 		mais si c'etait vrai
ok, first off, I just started on CTW and am getting kinda confused catching up on all the may happenings, since the guide stops at april 30... and I don't know if anyone has come up with this before

but going back to the note under the statue, mais ci c'etait vrai sounds like mai six sept ait vrai, or may six seven in english
i have no idea what ait vrai could be except may be et vrai (and true...)

anyway sorry if im (incorrectly) repeating someone

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