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[Puzzle] Silver #238 Riemann
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CherokeeParkes
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 		I have a very small grasp of mathematics at best, but I was wondering is equation provided on the card written properly.

The equation itself appears to have been copied from somewhere else because the colour surrounding the equation is different from the rest of the card.

Two other things, is the colon punctuation normal part of an equation and is the dollar sign on the 1,000,000 dollars meant to have a line straight through it?

If these questions have been asked before, I apologise.

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TeamMfM
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 		Hmmm
Ok here is something i scrambled (and it is!) on the card amd it comes out as distain - v. t. 1. To tinge with a different color from the natural or proper one; to stain; to discolor; to sully; to tarnish; to defile; - used chiefly in poetry

if memory serves me right there has been alot of talk about the perplex of perplexcity being a different colour from the proper one!!?!?!


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i tried distain that didnt work



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i tried perplex that didnt work


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maybe someone could try city im locked out


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philippa89
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 		Re: Hmmm
TeamMfM wrote:


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maybe someone could try city im locked out


Tried it but no luck Crying or Very sad

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ER123456
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 		Has anyone tried :-

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I won the prize
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I have the cheque

Perhaps with a reference to Clay Mathematice Institute



?

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EvilOverlord
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CherokeeParkes wrote:

Two other things, is the colon punctuation normal part of an equation and is the dollar sign on the 1,000,000 dollars meant to have a line straight through it?

The colon means that the equation is the definition of the zeta function and not just a property which the zeta function happens to have.

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ramsfan
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 		But the dots above and below the S, rather than a $ may have significance. Can someone tell me whether the full stop after the infinity sign has mathematical meaning, or is it another typo/clue. I did also try "your proof" and the sentence about this is Hale's 7th proof and Smale's 1st proof, or words to that account from the clay website.
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fretty
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 		Hi guys, new to the game. I definitely don't think that you should prove the problem basically because it wouldn't fit in the box and also if they wanted you to prove it they would need an answer themselves but if they had an answer, wouldn't they have just claimed the money themselves.

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 		arrrghhhhh!!!
I think ive gone mad ive counted prime numbers every which way but loose and nothing...oh dear my brains fallen out of my head ... arhhh thats better Very Happy

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jpwelton
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 		Apologies if this has been tried already, but has anyone used a microscope/microdot reader on the 'full stop' in the silver border, top right hand corner of the card?
Or does my copy merely have a mark on it?!

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donstobbart
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 		Feel free to trout me if this has been mentioned before, been lost in Antarctica for a while, searching for the answer to Polar.

On the Clay website, there is a PDF of the original manuscript Riemann used in 1859, on page 3, about 1/3 of the way down there is a big "F" in the margin (Huge margin it is too). The manuscript is in German though, so I don't know what the F relates to. Any German speakers????? The site is:
http://www.claymath.org/millennium/Riemann_Hypothesis/1859_manuscript/riemann1859.pdf


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TeamMfM
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 		Mnemonic
I read on the mathworld prime number pages about mnemonics which are sentences or words people use to remember numbers like primes the sentence for the first 5 primes like on the riemann card is:


"in the early morning, astronomers spiritualized nonmathematicians"

i tried it but to no avail Crying or Very sad

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RainbowAli
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 		I speak a little German (well, AS-Level standard!) but due to Uni work (yet more translation- A.Saxon Old English Rolling Eyes ) I can't jump in and translate the lot at the moment. Also his handwriting will probably mean it'll take a little longer than normal.

I'm willing to try if people think it would be worthwhile, but at a glance I can't tell whether the 'F' is worth investigating or simply a hasty notation that relates to something added to the hypothesis etc. Besides, I'm sure there's someone out there who could manage to translate it a lot faster than me!

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TopGun2
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There are many equations in abstract mathematics that have been solved on the assumption that the hypothesis is true


Has anyone looked into some of the other equations based on this assumption? Perhaps there is one that sticks out as relevant, perhaps even another work by Riemann?

I will try and look into this over the weekend if nobody else has.
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Kvasir
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 		Looks like they've found another prime number....

http://science.slashdot.org/science/05/12/20/0418243.shtml?tid=228&tid=231

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KashB
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 		just a thought
hi guys. i know this may have been asked and may be off topic, but in the winter 2005 catalogue for firebox there was a little notation about Riemann's stating: 'Can't solve Riemann's Hypothesis? Then try one of our (only) slightly easier brain busters.'

The fact they have put 'only' suggests there is only one easier puzzle. could this mean there is a single card to help with riemann's? or is it suggesting that firebox has a single puzzle to help out with riemann's as the quote is not directly from firebox...

mayb way off but thought i might ask

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