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[Puzzle] Silver #238 Riemann
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BBuck
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b) in any case, it shouldn't matter as the answer box is case insensitive.


Good point. Surely this would rule out proof-reading the whole document as an answer?


Not necessarily. There are other things that could be wrong as well that will trigger the "Solved": eg the commas around "and, more importantly,". Or it could be that we need to input corrections in a format like "Riemann's initials are G.F.B. Riemann, not G.F.G. Riemann" rather than input the whole text correctly.

Whilst typing, I just noticed that the initials in the "Notes and corrections" here don't have a space after the full stops, unlike in the text. I doubt this is significant, but thought I'd mention it.

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TeamMfM
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 		msged yugi peeps
I messaged the perplex peeps the other day and this is the message they sent me back

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Thanks for your email.
We're sorry but we can't give out any information on the cards. However, very
occasionally the sentinel (www.perplexcitysentinel) does hear rumours about the cards from the academy.
Regards,
Perplex City Customer Services


The only thing i noticed wierd about this email was the funny hat on the A

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 		Hmm. Fancy there being a typo. I reckon that is it. We correct the card.
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 		there was an article in the sentinel about spelling and grammar this issue too,its got to be the answer

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Mrwilf
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 		Hi,

New Years Newbie here.

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Been reading all the pages and peeps keep mentioning the size of the text box as being relevant to the size of the answer. In other puzzles, eg. the wordspy puzzle (#074) there is space to write a whole sentence and all they want is a single letter - so is the amount of space truly relevant?
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GasparLewis
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Mrwilf wrote:
Been reading all the pages and peeps keep mentioning the size of the text box as being relevant to the size of the answer. In other puzzles, eg. the wordspy puzzle (#074) there is space to write a whole sentence and all they want is a single letter - so is the amount of space truly relevant?


Happy New Year, welcome aboard, and well-observed.

I think we've gone too far off the deep end, and are making possibly trivial connections between things. People make mistakes, the text messages have been dodgy pretty consistantly, there has yet to be a card with part of their answer on the solve page in the way being implied, and, like Wilf said, the text box size could very well be misleading.

Chasing phantoms, IMHO...

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virtuosity
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 		Ok, 1st time poster here, (sorry in advance if its totally the wrong direction)

I've had a read of the previous posts and dont think that its been covered, but here goes.

I've been doing some personal research and found that the Riemann Hypothesis has been solved previously and it is currently being subject to discussions and the like to see if it can be disproven. I found a whole bunch of .pdf stuff on it. I haven't managed to get the whole thing copied into the answer box as, due to the amount of text would take me a while (im in the process right now)
have a look at:
http://www.math.purdue.edu/~branges/riemannzeta.pdf

and

http://www.math.purdue.edu/~branges/apology.pdf

Does anyone think that the proof that they are asking for could be here?

Feel free to batter me down if im totally wrong.

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Arramond
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 		it does appear that i was incorrect in my first post as far as the equation itself is concerned as i have found it writen exactly as shown on the card

http://planetmath.org/encyclopedia/EulerProductFormula.html

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Arramond
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 		very interesting virtuosity i'll take a look at that.

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 		It is interesting in itself, and interestingly I also noticed these proofs today. They're dated late December and I hadn't noticed them before so perhaps they're all very recent, which while interesting to those who have got involved in these links for their own sake, couldn't relate to the puzzle which was produced earlier than that.
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BBuck
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The only thing i noticed wierd about this email was the funny hat on the A


They've also not capitalised "The Sentinel" and the "Academy", nor given the correct web address (no .com). Significant or an overworked Mind Candy employee clearing their e-mail backlog? (I agree that there is a risk of reading too much into things)

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PuzzledPineapple
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 		That 'proof' was also found in November: linky, but nice searching nonetheless.

From Mathworld's page:

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de Branges has written a number of papers discussing a potential approach to the generalized Riemann hypothesis (de Branges 1986, 1992, 1994) and in fact claiming to prove the generalized Riemann hypothesis (de Branges 2003, 2004; Boutin 2004), but no actual proofs seem to be present in these papers. Furthermore, Conrey and Li (1998) prove a counterexample to de Branges's approach, which essentially means that theory developed by de Branges is not viable.


Sadly I don't think that he'll be providing us with an answer any time soon. If they are actually looking for a proof then there may well be no way to solve the card until the cash prize is claimed, that way MC won't have to learn the appropriate maths and test the answer themselves.

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virtuosity
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 		Sorry for the backtracking. missed the posting in november

Back to the drawing board.

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maevey
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 		This website may be useful to those that think the card may be asking fro us to proofread the card: [URL]http://www.pgdp.net/c/faq/proofreading_guidelines.php[/URL]. I've tried reading it myself but I'm so tired the words are all swimming around.

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RoyalRumble
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 		could the proof be that we give actual proof that we have the card. Maybe we need to send some photo of the card or of us holding the card?

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