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[Puzzle] Silver #238 Riemann
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Just a thought... I know there is nothing pointing to this(at all) but has anyone tried to disect the message on the card?

What i mean is this. Take every 5th letter. and see if there is a message. Or every 3rd or 4th. ...

Of course Im of the opinion that this card isnt meant to be solved and there is no answer. Its meant as a kind of high water marker. ... This is the impossible puzzle, everything else is not as hard.

I mean if the idea is to "proof" this theory, then yes everything we need for a solve IS on the card. But No there isnt an answer and filling it into the little answer block is bogus. Mind Candy is screwing with us. a Little ha ha is your brain on fire yet? ... honestly im not amused in the slightest.

At least with Shuffled and 13th Labor we know what we are supossed to do or we can look at it and know there is something there to solve and it might take a long while but we will do it.

"True Challenge" and "Lame Puzzle" are so close to one another.
If they wanted a tough math puzzle, Solving x^n = y^n + z^n for n>2
took the math community a long time. And at least we have somewhere to start.

Id not like to get into a Math discussion on this forum. Especially in so much depth as to actually attempt to Proof this. ... It would get so confusing for anyone just listening in to the forum that it would lose all value in terms of teaching anyone anything.

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This puzzle just doesnt fit the theme, Cryptology is confusing and very in depth, but i still think there is room to teach people about it in a meaningful way. ... Riemann, goes beyond teaching people about math and making them think about it. Its not clear cut, no one knows how or where to approach it from. There arent books explaining it. Thats the thing. unalike other cards, the knowledge needed to solve this isnt known by anyone. This is the one card asking us to create new knowledge to solve it. I mean something this complcated will probably take us developing a completely new set of mathmatics just to deal with it on a fundamental level. Something just seems off.

I dont like the spirit of this card at all. ... Sorry Mind Candy... I think you went too far.

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Very True locqust. I think im begining to crack up over this card as its the only unsolved 1 i have at the moment.

Did anybody every find out if the City part being a different colour have any influence with anything.

Now Im Pretty Sure im 100% wrong. probably a Trout on my own part, but i keep thinking that i can see some purple lines just below the silver scratch panel part and above the main body of text. But if any thing is there it is very faint and very small. I think i may have lost my mind in the puzzle that is perplexcity card #238. Exclamation Exclamation lol Very Happy

*edit* i tried adding all the numbers on the card (just the main body of text) and seeing if it was a prime number but i got it wrong. If anybody thinks im on a idea help me out
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I agree, there is a fine line and I think this card crosses the line just with its obscurity for a start.

Just been having a look at the card using good old human vision not a scanner and you can see the markings, whatever they are, within the fading. Obv you cant tell what they are. the fading is very uniform across the card, meaning this was done using photoshop or similar. The markings wouldn't appear as part of the gradient tool, yet here we have them. Some1 said earlier perhaps they are biro markings from where some1 wrote the card out in the design phase and it "accidently" got left in. Maybe they are but probably not accidently? We have always been told that these cards use lots of new and interesting ways to create puzzles (ala shuffled)

Ah I dunno this is making my head hurt! Im gonna go do my cosmology coursework! Much easier than this!

(now is the universe curved or flat? hmmm)
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Maybe we could solve this if we had some ceretin

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Any chance you can post an image with the 333cube highlighted? I'm being nosy now but I just want to see it!


I may be clutching at straws here but can anybody else see this?
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Cheers for that!

Yep can def see it now you have pointed it out, *sigh* reckon this is another deadend then?
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Damn If it is not summin hey. Real shame that the list seems endless. O well i could always win the 125 mil euromilions jackpot and try and bribe the answer out of someone!! lol
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Hi folks,
this is my first post so please be patient if I start to ramble a bit.

kie_yeo wrote:
I may be clutching at straws here but can anybody else see this?


I think you might be onto something, but I think this clue might be in open view on the card. What if the Tretretretres on the back of the card, instead of being written as 3333, should be written as 333 3 . So we have 333 cube(d), I'm probably clutching at straws but i really don't like the idea of proving the Riemann Hypothesis Rolling Eyes .

As for this being a clue, it may relate back to the first 333 people who answered Sente's riddle and got parcels see the wiki here and here, just a thought Dunno .

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Hi Electricman,

I havent heard it mentioned before and I quite like the thought process - could just be a coincidence but too much of one for me. Anyhow it gives it a possible new direction which is always nice.

I have looked into the links you have put above and draw your attention to this link that fed off of one of yours:



http://wiki.incognitus.net/ppc/images/c/c6/280405_letter.jpg


If you read through the letter and go to the bottom it states on it after the Sente Signature that:

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289 = N



Idea
As it says there are 333 of these letters in circulation currently, and if all of them had there own reference going through 1 to 333 then it may spell something out - e.g. 1 = T; 2 = E and so on through to 333 = Y.

I personally do not know anybody who has 1 of these letters that we could see if all are the same or whether all 333 do have different references.

Can anybody else shed some light on this?
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This has already been solved

http://wiki.incognitus.net/ppc/index.php/Parcel_Letter

Another dead end.....

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Yeah, I went searching after I put the post up last night and found that myself....by the time I had done it I was too tired and a tad depressed as well to return to the forum to update.

Really dont know what they want for this!!!
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Is it me or have we just been going around in circles with this card. We haven't found out anything since the start of this thread and have no leads on what to do.

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bertyb wrote:
Really dont know what they want for this!!!


I don't think there's a hidden agenda or code on the card-they really are asking what's on the card.
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European Chris wrote:

I don't think there's a hidden agenda or code on the card-they really are asking what's on the card.


If by this you mean they actually want the proof/disproof of the Riemann hypothesis, then I can't agree as this would mean that either:

a) The answer-box on the website is a complete fake, as there is no possibility of it ever giving an instant answer other than 'incorrect'.

b) The Mind Candy statement that each card is a self-contained puzzle is false.

Not that this is helpful in any way......

The only other thought I had was that perhaps the card has a hidden quality (this has probably been looked for by some means, but maybe some kind of 'watermark' or invisible ink), or that it is just a puzzle/riddle/code that no-one has managed to get a good lead on yet (or, perhaps if they got that lead they didn't recognise or follow it through).

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Curlytek wrote:
a) The answer-box on the website is a complete fake, as there is no possibility of it ever giving an instant answer other than 'incorrect'.


That's exactly what I'm thinking, none of the cards have hidden agendas or tricks attached. It's a puppet master joke...sadistic funts.

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b) The Mind Candy statement that each card is a self-contained puzzle is false.


Not at all, the puzzle would still be self-contained.

Anyway, the author of the book I was chatting to a few pages ago appeared on a radio show I quite like and explains Riemann quite well, amongst other things.

http://littleatoms.com/sounds/marcusdusautoy.mp3

btw, some of the other shows are well worth a listen, particularly David Aaronovitch, Simon Singh, Nick Cohen and Harry of http://hurryupharry.bloghouse.net/

http://littleatoms.com/audio.htm
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