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[Puzzle] Silver #238 Riemann
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EvilGenius
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Well that answers that - thanks for looking it up. My question is the same: why would they print this marginalia on the card?

BTW - I've tried various bits of text from the Millenium prize site with no success.

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Bendover
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This may sound totally stupid, but what if you input the Marsenne number that the 2004 prime number is based on.The number is written M24036583 But it usually is a capitol M with the numbers written smaller and offset slightly downward ( don't know how to do this )Examples here http://primes.utm.edu/notes/by_year.html#table2

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Bendover wrote:
This may sound totally stupid, but what if you input the Marsenne number that the 2004 prime number is based on.The number is written M24036583 But it usually is a capitol M with the numbers written smaller and offset slightly downward ( don't know how to do this )Examples here http://primes.utm.edu/notes/by_year.html#table2


I tried this a few days ago 2^30402457-1 which to my understanding is the largest prime to date and is a Mersenne prime. I found info here http://primes.utm.edu/largest.html

As for the equation I think its the graphic they used as mine has dotting around it too and I noticed on one of the many sites that the image appeared the same when you looked at it up close.

Im resting my eyes at the moment but I am still working on the idea that there is something hiden in the text - probably just me but hey I am happy to be mad
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hairysocks
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Assuming the solution to the card is a proofread version of the text then a problem we have is how to enter this in the answer box. I have found these two sites on proofreading markup languages which may help:

http://prml.sourceforge.net/index.shtml

http://www.nisus.se/proof/

The first link is to a full application that uses PRML (defined on the PRML site possibly?). The second link discusses the concept of proofreading markup language and gives a simple suggestion as to how it could be done. If either of these are used as the way to enter the proofread solution to this card then the perplex city solution page must have the ability to handle PRML.
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Perhaps it is worth sending an email asking that question....as if the answer comes back as a yes it may be the final block.
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EvilGenius
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In the interests of completeness I can now relate that prayer, the summoning of spirits, and various means of augury of have been disappointing in the extreme vis a vis this card. This raises two natural questions: 1) to which entity should one offer a sacrifice in return for a helpful nudge, and 2) what would be an appropriate sacrifice to solve a Silver Card (if I have no first born of my own can I subsitutute someone elses?). Barring this, I wonder if the card itself, maybe the foiled edge, could be used to slash at uncooperative Mind Candy execs until someone tells me just what the hell is going on here . . .

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Could always bribe them with a share of the winnings upon solving the Riemann theorem....
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EkoeEkoe
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I'm too lazy to search through the 27 pages of posts, but just in case it hasn't been mentioned before (knowing full well that when someone says that it usually has already been mentioned), could the solution be related to the "message on the cards"

http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11964

The parts of the message only show up on the prime cards.

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oliverkeers13
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EkoeEkoe wrote:
I'm too lazy to search through the 27 pages of posts, but just in case it hasn't been mentioned before (knowing full well that when someone says that it usually has already been mentioned)
Before reading this post, note that it isn't directed at you, and any aggression in it is an explosion of that which has been building up inside me for the past few weeks on this subject. Right, so, as the thread is so long, and hard to find the information you're looking for (search is obviously an incomprehensible idea to you) you decide that the best policy is to post with a question which you say "may well have been discussed before". If you're too lazy to read the thread before posting, why should I waste my energy reading your posts? By posting something repetitively (or even speculating that you may be repetetive), you have made the thread longer, making it more foreboding to new people, making it less likely that they will read the thread, so we get more posts that repeat.
The idea of the Puzzle Card threads is to contribute something useful to the discussion; your "letters theory" (despite the extreme unlikeliness and familiarity of it) is not meritless if you have a reason to suggest it. Merely suggesting that it could be X because A through M doesn't work is useless. If you had explained why you thought that it could be useful, and included how you thought it could be used, then it'd be fine. As it is, it just takes up space.
As I said at the beginning, this is not directed specifically at you. I've been getting worked up over this for a few weeks now, and have had a bad day. Don't leave the forum, or do anything similarly rash. I do ask that you post more intelligently in the future, however.
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EkoeEkoe wrote:
I'm too lazy to search through the 27 pages of posts


Not a promising start to any post or indeed UnFiction career...

This is becoming rather symptomatic of the thinking that we're seeing recently, what with all the 'tell me the answer' posts, the 'can you bring me up to date' posts and the 'I can't be bothered to read the wiki like a lot of you clearly have done, tell me what I need to know' posts.

Request: Knock it off the lot of you and use the brain cells that you were born with, please.
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EkoeEkoe, good thinking, Bad execution.

Forum goes hate repetition. They also hate people who add to it. Yes you are lazy and people will complain.

That being said. Your idea will never hold merit for one reason, Mind Candy has said at some point, that all puzzle cards have a solution that requires no other cards to successfully solve.

So the forum will NOT step out of that box, They refuse to believe anything else as mind candy is their god in the puzzle department, and they will not believe anything that isnt from god's mouth.

So in the future, if you believe that a card might need something else from outside this card to solve, Just dont post it. No one will listen and no one cares.


Beyond that, Try starting out with something other than "Im Lazy", Yea i know its a *hit ton of posts to dredge thru most about people complaining about something somone else posted and even when using the "search" you find about 5 million posts about something you really dont want or need to know about, Just deal with the complaining. people complain, its what peopel do. ... Just get used to the smell of fish up side the head. And you will do fine. ...

And dont worry there are a few people who havent pulled out all their hair from reading these forums, and we might be willing to sum up the idea of a card or plotline, just show us you are willing to do some of the work, and we will be willing to help you do more.

Its a simple trade, effort for effort. ...

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x wrote:
That being said. Your idea will never hold merit for one reason, Mind Candy has said at some point, that all puzzle cards have a solution that requires no other cards to successfully solve.

So the forum will NOT step out of that box, They refuse to believe anything else as mind candy is their god in the puzzle department, and they will not believe anything that isnt from god's mouth.

So in the future, if you believe that a card might need something else from outside this card to solve, Just dont post it. No one will listen and no one cares.

Your post is highly confusing. You state that we've been told (as we have) that all puzzle cards can be solved without other cards, which is (apparantly) true. If the people creating the puzzles have said this, why do you think that they'll be lying just to make it harder? If Mind Candy (the people making the puzzles) say that the puzzles do not need anything outside of the card to be solved, then, goddammit, they don't need anything outside of the card. We "don't listen and don't care" because the idea is, frankly, a heap of bollocks because we've been told it's down the wrong path, so we don't want to waste our time pursuing it, and the time of others reading it.
Also, X, Register, log in, whatever, not logging in ever doesn't make you cool, it just makes you look like a pathetic dickead who wants to be different, but has the same polystyrene personality as everyone else, so looks to find a silly quirk.
(just so you know, I'm only nli due to using a public comp)

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Guin, would it be possible for you to post a pic of what you see on the card. All I manage to see is what I found before (4383 file), and I can't see anything past it.

Thanks

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ok13nli wrote:

Also, X, Register, log in, whatever, not logging in ever doesn't make you cool, it just makes you look like a pathetic dickead who wants to be different, but has the same polystyrene personality as everyone else, so looks to find a silly quirk.
(just so you know, I'm only nli due to using a public comp)


Good than im a Pathetic Polystyrene Dickhead...

You think what you want, i was talking to the guy who was being shit on, I expected people to shit back on me for defending him.

As to the solve being on the card... Sure mind candy said it. I dont restrict my thoughts to just what is expected to be the answer. Regardless of what everyone else assumes is correct. Im just saying peoples views are angry and accusing. ... You treat newcomers with hostility and anger. Just because you believe you were here first and have put in the most work, therefore everyone should listen to you and shut their mouths.

That kind of ignorance is appaling. But i accept it. People are here to play Perplexcity, They came here for their own reasons and will do what they can. They can do no more than what they are able.

Get off your high horse, you arent god. Your placement on the leaderboard does not impress me. Im here to listen and participate as best i can. I try not to accuse people... But it really angers me when people think they are better than everyone else, and thus everyone else should just leave these boards. No you didnt specifically say that. But you are implying it.

I dont log in my registered account for one reason, I dont want to deal with you PM'ing me for your bullshit.

Leave people alone. If you dont have something constructive to say dont say anything... Complaining on these boards is not useful. And hell im breaking my own thought process by complaining about you.

So i will stop. ... Sorry people i cant help tame this board, nothing will. People are just cruel and easily irritated. No solution. Just deal.

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I would like to refer anybody who's interested to today's update of the sentinel.
http://www.perplexcitysentinel.com/letters/
Where they say the following:
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CRR LINK CENSORED?

I found the interview with the staff of mind candy [sic] very interesting [sic] especially about the nature of the link between worlds. "no-one [sic] is intentionally censoring anything" [sic] But how do we know? As only transitions [sic] can currently go though [sic] all we can receive is "word of mouth" and no hard evidence of the facts we are given. On Earth when things have been censored [sic] be it films, books or peoples [sic]opinions we usually will what to find out about the uncensored truth. With the link being the only way of getting any information from perplex city [sic] how do we know what we get is true or just half truths? Is what we don't know wont hart us or is ignorance really not bliss. [sic, for the entire sentence]
Martin Baker, Earth

Ed. Note: The Sentinel has chosen not to award a Letter of the Week prize for this week, due to the singularly poor grammar and punctuation of this week's offerings. Our editorial board would like to advise that greater care be taken in future by Earth readers hoping to achieve a Letter of the Week. Future recipients of the award will receive five points on the Perplexcity.com leaderboard.


I can't help but think this is a clue to solving this card, following the theory that we need to proof read it. Don't have the card myself, unfortunately so I can't try it out.

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