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[Puzzle] Silver #238 Riemann
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pickwick the second
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Good Morrow!
The presence of the correction to the initials of Riemann's name among the category of "Notes on how to solve this card"(as brought up recently by philippa89) suggests, at least to the entity to which I refer by using the perpendicular pronoun, that it may be important in considering the problem. It has been fairly well-established that the Hypothesis is, as yet, unproven, and it follows, logically, that the proof cannot appear in the solution; perhaps there is a link, be it howsoever so tenuous, between the initials and the numbers that are under suspicion by some of concealing a reference to a specific date.
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doublecross
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[UPDATE] A clue!

I submitted my solution to the Riemann hypothesis (well, not actually mine), but it was too long to be accepted by the form. I wrote to Perplexcity.com to say that my 'correct' solution had not been accepted and got the following reply:

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We suggest that you also submit your proof to the Clay Math Institute (http://www.claymath.org/millennium/Riemann_Hypothesis/), but in the meantime, please see our notes in the margin.


This leads me to believe that either (a) you are supposed to answer something Fermat-like about having discovered a proof but the margin / text box is too small to contain it or (b) there is actually something hidden in the margin of the card.

Fermat's original Latin and some translations of it I've tried don't work. The assault to find hidden things on silver cards didn't yield anything. Where do we go from here?
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Langley Moor
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I'm just looking a the line on the card again now - that's the closest thing I can see to a 'margin' on the card, but perhaps it's time to subject this card to as many tests as we can for hidden texts (again).

Looking at what letters the line travels through, I can't spot anything of interest - having put the letters into an anagram generator, there are only 8 letter words in there, way too many 'e's to make anything interesting.

Can someone who's taken the card apart please say if that line is the edge of foil, a fold, or is it printed? Don't have a magnifying glass to hand, but possibly some hidden small text somewhere?

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von's hint:
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You're not the only one having trouble! It's been baffling brains for over a hundred years. Check http://mathworld.wolfram.com/riemannhypothesis.html

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Langley Moor
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A more specific point - could someone look at the full stops at the ends of lines 6, 10 and 12? On my card they run over the silver strip - possibly that strip is a very high-res print, and the information is hidden in those dots? Far-fetched, I know, worth a try. I did a high-res scan of the card and tried zooming in, but couldn't see anything - could just be that I couldn't get the res high enough though.

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Don't ask why, but I was trying to see what the maximum amount of text that can be accepted in the text box is - and I discovered it is 1990 characters. Maybe that is a standard size for a text box, I don't know these things.
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ReeKorl
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Well, I just tested something out in #171 when I was putting in the answer there, and that text box can take at least 140892 characters (I couldn't be bothered to paste any more text into it).

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Sorry, what I meant was that when you press 'submit' nothing happens unless you have 1990 characters or fewer.
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philippa89
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oliverkeers13 wrote:
von's hint:
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You're not the only one having trouble! It's been baffling brains for over a hundred years. Check http://mathworld.wolfram.com/riemannhypothesis.html


there are so many links on there, its hard to know where to begin.

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could it be something to do with the "baffling brains for over a hundred years"? that would rule out everyone except Stieltjes (1885) as the rest of the attempts were within a hundred years?? or am i on completly the wrong lines?


If we are suposed to type some sort of proof, how are we supposed to type those math symbols?

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i've been reading these forums for over a month now and been thinking about this card, my maths and physics lecturers had no idea when i asked them about it Question

has anyone had any results with UV light, heating, freezing etc...

surely they would not want us to solve the equation Exclamation

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There are many definitions of *proof*.

It has bothered me from the beginning, that 'CITY' is *white*, as is the name, number and all details of this card. *All* the other cards have this printing in *black*! Should we be looking at this card as a *picture proof*, in a *negative* way? Shocked

I have a scanner and a hacked version of PhotoShop (with no instructions how to use), but I don't have enough computer skills to even try to test this theory! Sad
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ill give it a try in a few mins

Edit: ok Ive negative imaged it, solarised it etc and so far no hidden effcts or information. I think if there was any you would have to scan it that way, rather than use a photoapp to bring it out. I dont think a home scanner would pick up the info as a normal scan.
(I could be wrong! Very Happy )
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Thanks for trying, Locqust! Wink

I still think there's something up with that print being *negative*!

I also noticed the 'silver line' everyone is talking about, continues on the bottom edge, like it bled over, or was intentional... ? It isn't just on the surface of the card, it's on the *edge*, but not on the top edge.

My Elucidate card has a line too, in a different place, and my Shuffled doesn't have a line, at all. I can't find my T-L-P and Syzygy Cube cards at the moment. Confused
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RebusPrime
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I believe the silver lines are a by-product of the printing process where the silver foil is layed down on the base card and two sheets of foil overlap slightly, and is not an intentional part of the printing process and therefore not part of the puzzle (the only one of my silver cards to show this line is Elucidate). I'm fairly sure we don't need to worry about this but feel free to prove me wrong.... Dunce

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lillyplop
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I found a website that said Reimanns Hypothesis is equal to

Π(χ) = Li(χ) + O (χ1/2 log χ)

Didnt work as an answer though!!!!

Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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