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[Puzzle] - #240 - Silver - [Circles Set] - Elucidate
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neuromancer
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 		I definiately think this is:

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A wideband spectrogram of a male voice. But the guy is saying something specific, so I'm going to do a mapping with my voice saying various letters, intonnations, etc


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The program I'm using is SFSWin, available from HERE. If you need help using it the html help files are pretty self-explainitory. Otherwise you can PM me.


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Could somebody try answering this with:

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A wideband spectrogram of a male voice saying 'yiista'

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 		I think we probably only need the word...

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 		Neither
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Yiista nor yi ista, nor yiistia

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 		Nor Yiixtia.

There must be a connection here with 22 - Cold Fission, right? The one that says - The Password is Yiisitia?

Oh my hopes were high then. Neuromancer can you explain in a bit more detail how you got to that answer? Thx

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neuromancer
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 		Well for the yiista bit I took a 'leap of faith' cos I saw the post about the password.

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If this is a spectrogram, then it looks like the word is made up of 'harsh' sounds, like the 'yi' and the 'st' in yiistia. I may be well off the mark with my interpretation but I do think we're on the right lines. What a spectrogram has to do with 'Elucidate' I don't quite know yet.

If you google 'wideband spectrogram' you'll see what me and cassandra are on about.


Try playing about with that app I link to if you have a mic.

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Just thought about the relationship between a wideband spectrogram and the word 'Elucidate'. We use wideband spectrograms in speech analysis and synthesis as they use wider frequency 'boxes' to make the temporal aspects of a signal CLEARER. This allows us to see the individual sounds and intonnations.

There's my thoughts anyway, probably a load of rubbish but thats what impeding coursework deadlines do to ya!!

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 		How about

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"itself" - because according to Von's hint this is what the card represents sensibly even if it isn't clear

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 		Hey timair, I think you're on to something there.

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I produced a spectrogram of myself saying 'itself' and it does kinda look like the pic on the card. I can't post a pic of the spectrogram in spoiler tags unfortunately, so as I don't want to spoil this card for others I won't post an image here.

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How about

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"itself" - because according to Von's hint this is what the card represents sensibly even if it isn't clear


Its not 'itself' Smile
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 		yes! try it!

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 		How bout Elucidate? Somes dumb I know, but "it represents itself clearly" The voice pattern saying Elucidate or a word meaning the same thing?
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timair
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Its not 'itself' Smile


Darn.

Maybe its the "voice of Reason" Wink
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 		heh, I suggested it to Reason a while ago. So if anyone doesn't mind being guinea pigs, go ahead!

my one issue now, looking at it, is the l sound and the s not being high enough. wish there were more obvious plosives.

of course, this applies only if our logic is correct Wink

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 		Maybe the 'speech' if it is that, was spoken by a child? their average frequency range is a lot higher than adults, and so the 'l' and the 's' may be higher. I don't have child to test this theory on, so if anyone has 'access' to a child (lol) then could you please dload the program and get them to say the sounds of 'l', 'm', 'n', 'w' and 's', 'sh' and 'f', 'h'.
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 		Attached below is a spectrograph of me saying 'Elucidate', so you can all see what a spectrograph looks like. I'm kinda thinking now that the card would have had to have some image manipulation done on it if it was a spectrograph, as the card has smooth gradients rather than noisy ones.
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 		There's a definite resemblance there with the lines and the contours but the card would have to be a closeup of perhaps just one section of a spectrograph rather than the complete thing.
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