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[Puzzle] - #240 - Silver - [Circles Set] - Elucidate
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dusty2229
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 		Has anyone who has the actual card - and i wish i did - tried UV? Afer all elucidate does mean shed light on. Feel free to trout me into next week if it's already been done...
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Bertie
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 		Yes, I've tried UV and also some of the previous posters in this thread.

I still however believe it to be what i posted in the PXC forum http://pxcforums.com/index.php?showtopic=7&view=findpost&p=24

Sorry but I can't be bothered to type it all out again!

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Sasuntsi Davit
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 		As requested heres a photo of the Elucidate Mountain ranges...

#02 in a series of photos depicting the Elucidate Mountains as seen at sunset.
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Seej
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Bradius wrote:
I like the pictures makes it lot easier the trying to imagine the shapes of the structures in your head

Is it possible to take out the black lines, as I think they may represent fault lines which may not be represented physicaly in the actual structure,

If the lines are Fault lines then I think we should be looking for somewhere geographicaly unstable.

I.ve personally been looking at Eureka valley in California ( as I thought the name would appeal to crafty puzzle setters)

Theres fault lines all over california that look a bit like these. i'm started to get dizzy and crosseyed Rolling Eyes


I thought the exact same thing, with the darker lines being the faults and the grayscale being hills/mountains that have been thrown up as a result. Also been scouring maps with no success, though unfortunately most of the ones I can lay my Google on seem to be of California.

Also, my neighbours now think I'm mental since I've just been out in the sun waving this around Wink

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chippy
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 		video: initial attempt at 3d goodness - used Landserf Windows AVI Mpeg-4 codec

EDIT:: image: heres an (slightly squashed) but as Valleys instead of mountains
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Bertie
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 		I seriously think at least one of you should check out this picture (invert the colours)

And this explanation http://www.tautec.com/25259/26021.html



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 		imaging
So this technology of imaging through a scattering medium hasn't been solved yet, at least that is what I discerned from that paper. If the image on this card is such an image of protons, then I don't see how we can solve it.

At this point, I am willing to abandon the presumption that the puzzles visible on the silver cards are the ones we are meant to solve. The silver cards puzzles are so difficult we can win monetary rewards, or possibly the Nobel Prize, for solving them. What to do next is an equally vexing question.

I like these cards though, not just because they are shiny, but because I have learned about research I didn't know existed. Also, I got to look up how long a period of time a "femtosecond" is [one quadrillionth of a second; one thousandth of a nanosecond.] Honestly, I thought a nanosecond was impossibly hard to comprehend as a unit of time. Wink

from the article:
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Typically, a femtosecond pulse is stretched to a picosecond or a nanosecond pulse on traveling through a turbid medium.

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 		You don't even want to think about the yocto second then (ys), a British quadrillionth, or American Septillionth of a second. Quicker than...oops, missed it.
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Sasuntsi Davit wrote:
As requested heres a photo of the Elucidate Mountain ranges...

#02 in a series of photos depicting the Elucidate Mountains as seen at sunset.
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Great work! I will do some Photoshop'in to spice it up with some text and such when I get some time.
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SteveC
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Bertie wrote:
I seriously think at least one of you should check out this picture (invert the colours)

And this explanation http://www.tautec.com/25259/26021.html


I don't see how that's relevant myself. It's missing the vital element of the "traces".

I think the diagrams are showing something that exerts or occurrs because of a gravitic force. Eg, items falling into a black hole, or marbles rolling on an undulating surface (and settling). Of course, no event horizon for idea #1, and surely marbles would ALWAYS settle in cavities.... so keep thinking..

Means that everyone's pretty landscapes are inverted. Should be rather less photogenic holes in the ground rather than mountains.

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 		dont spose it means anything but check out this .mov file
http://www.vimm.it/cochlea/fast/movies/c22fps98b.mov

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Seej
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 		Well, I was having a closer look at this last night. Going with the theory that Elucidate is synonymous with "Shed light on" I tried putting it under a high-powered lamp (a projector lamp, up-close). I'd already tried leaving it in sunlight but that didn't do anything, so after trying white light with the projector I then tried all the primary and secondary colours (R,G,B,C,M,Y). Nothing. Then I tried shinging the different colours of light through the card (I guess you could simulate this in photoshop) to see if it over-laid with the image on the reverse in a meaningful way. Again, nothing. I'm not sure the whole shed-light-on-it path we're going down is necessarily the right one. From Dictionary.com:

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Elucidate

v 1: make clear and (more) comprehensible; "clarify the mystery surrounding her death" [syn: clarify, clear up] [ant: obfuscate] 2: make free from confusion or ambiguity; make clear; "Could you clarify these remarks?"; "Clear up the question of who is at fault" [syn: clear, clear up, shed light on, crystallize, crystallise, crystalize, crystalise, straighten out, sort out, enlighten, illuminate]


So we could equally explore any of these synonyms.

I have noticed some interesting points about it though. The three lines that extend to the top of the image are all truncated at the same point (not true for the other end of the image), as though they continued further and we're only seeing part of the image. Secondly, the lines appear to be more than one shade, as though as well as the large distortions there's also some smaller ones along the path of these lines, which implies to me that whatever the lines are seems to have caused the distortions. Thirdly, the lines are made of a series of dots with discrete vertical spacing (like pixels) but continuous horizontal spacing, which is the sort of arrangement you typically get from measuring equipment that (for example) takes a reading every 1 second/metre/degree/etc.

Unfortunately, I still don't get what it is, but I thought the above might help the rest of you.

EDIT: Here's some scans to show what I'm talking about:

EDIT 2: Ooops, didn't realise MC had changed the rules about posting high-res portions of cards. Scans now removed. Sorry about that.

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Bertie
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SteveC wrote:
Bertie wrote:
I seriously think at least one of you should check out this picture (invert the colours)

And this explanation http://www.tautec.com/25259/26021.html


I don't see how that's relevant myself. It's missing the vital element of the "traces".

I think the diagrams are showing something that exerts or occurrs because of a gravitic force. Eg, items falling into a black hole, or marbles rolling on an undulating surface (and settling). Of course, no event horizon for idea #1, and surely marbles would ALWAYS settle in cavities.... so keep thinking..

Means that everyone's pretty landscapes are inverted. Should be rather less photogenic holes in the ground rather than mountains.


Ok sorry I thought it might be something due to the Elucidate - light connection. So I thought light travelling through objects was a reasonable assumption. Also the readout of this process seemed to look similar to the card.

Just thought I'd share my thoughts even if they were wrong.... Peace

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ryknow
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 		Here's what it looks like if you mirror it and overlay it.
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 		looks like a very large scary spider... or an ink blot

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