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[Puzzle] - #240 - Silver - [Circles Set] - Elucidate
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rose
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silver card

actually it looks like a large sand crab.

Bertie - thanks for that link in your post! I loved learning about the research in that article, it is really fascinating. Please keep sharing your ideas with us. Smile

I have no idea what this card is. I have lots of smart friends who work at universities in various fields, but I don't even know who to show it to..
any suggestions? Can we narrow down the field or should I just wander around the campus at Columbia showing it to whoever is around?

Has xnbomb looked at this? I know Chippy has... they are my geography experts.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 2:00 pm
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toongoon
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ryknow's images reminded me of some sort of retinal scan imaging or perhaps some other vascular staining images I've seen. I focused on searches for retinal images (elucidate, light, see, eyes,retina etc) but I have been unable to find anything specific.

I haven't found much but I thought this may give someone else ideas.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 3:27 pm
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Seej
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I showed this card to a mechanical engineer I know last night and he said it looks like stress fractures due to compression (the lines) and the patterns of stress around the fractures (the blobs). He was talking about those machines that test a block of metal by placing it under enormous pressure until it shatters.

Unfortunately Google has yet to turn anything up with a similar image, but while searching for compression fractures I got a lot of pictures of x-rays of bones suffering from compression fractures and got to thinking; elucidate means to clarify, or to shed light on, and taking an x-ray certainly clarifies, and so long as you consider the wider e/m spectrum it could also be said to be shedding light on a subject.

If I find anything conclusive I'll let you know, but in the meantime if any of you know some mech engineers or MDs who happen to have their textbooks to hand it might be worth pursuing this further.

PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 4:26 pm
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Nightingale
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To me it looks like a geophysical readout of fault lines with mountains/hills/volcanoes on top. I've been searching google like mad but I can't find a geophysical map of the Himalaya's. But I have seen some other types of maps of the Himalayans fault lines that did look similar to the picture on the card but they were only of major fault lines and weren't really close up (put it this way you could see the whole of India on the map) which makes it VERRRRRY difficult to tell. Anyone have an atlas?

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right,
i hope noone has mentioned this (i dont have much time to check at the moment) but in a magazine called Computeractive (i dont read it but i saw this) there was a small article on PPC. there is one section that intrests me
Quote:
Some of the cards also use heat-sensitive or ultra-violet ink, hidden text and other devices to hide clues

im interested in the heat sensitive part. could this be one of them?
we would have to be careful testing this if that is the conclusion we made (we dont want to fry the card Laughing ). this may have been mention, but i don t have time at the moment to sift through this tread.

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oliverkeers13
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It's unlikely. The Shuffled card is heat sensitive. This is more likely to be light related.
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Nightingale
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Desperation is setting in now.

The card is called "Elucidate" right?

elucidate

v 1: make clear and (more) comprehensible; "clarify the mystery surrounding her death" [syn: clarify, clear up] [ant: obfuscate] 2: make free from confusion or ambiguity; make clear; "Could you clarify these remarks?"; "Clear up the question of who is at fault" [syn: clear, clear up, shed light on, crystallize, crystallise, crystalize, crystalise, straighten out, sort out, enlighten, illuminate]

Well, with my other post about fault lines I've been investigating other fault lines. San Andreas in particular. I found a possible link in the San Gabriel Mountains. Archangel Gabriel was THE messenger of God (after all it was him who appeared to Mary to tell her she was to bear the Son of God). Messages generally clarify something... do you see where I'm going with this? I don't have an atlas and my knowledge of geography is limited, can anyone help/discredit?

Thank you

P.S. I hope that all contibutions including the tenuous/insane are welcome.

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Curlytek
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Pure spec here, along the fault line theories, if you flip the image then it does look a bit like the 'drawn' images of the areas around California near the San Andreas fault:

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/shakemap/nc/shake/about.html

The density mapped areas may indicate cities or the lakes/bays around San Francisco. In any event, I have not seen anything like this in my scientific endeavors, it is certainly not a 2D NMR or similar spectroscopic image.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 8:45 pm
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bearq
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More spec, i'm also of the belief that it's a series of fault lines. Thinking that it could be from PC itself , i recalled this article from the sentinel:

http://www.perplexcitysentinel.com/archives/2005/07/tremor_recorded.html

which says:
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Geologists have long known that that area of the sea floor contains an elaborate network of faults, but it is rare for activity to register more than 180 Brigham-Horne units. This quake is the largest on record for the area, and the first tremor of any size to be recorded in the region since 262.


Maybe it's a geological map of this region. Don't know of any way of confirming this as yet.
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mupdan
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Dunno if this has been suggested yet, but...

I was staring at this card last night, and thinking along the pressure/fracture lines, I realised that it looks kind of like a hand print. The bottom has the curve of the palm (left hand), and the 4 lines (fractures?) near the top could correspond to the fingers. The areas of highest pressure would line up with the lower joint of the index finger and the tip of the little finger.

A wild guess, maybe, but I can't shake the image now. What does anyone think?

Dan

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Nightingale
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Just recieved the latest news from Scarlett - could this be a map of Viendenbourg? It seems to fit the description (sorta):

Viendenbourg. It's in what looks like a deep mountain ravine, with a small lake to the north. North of Iskara Peak, to the west of Veldet Lake, almost surrounded by the spiky range of the Grey Towers. It's not a place you'd really go to on vacation - Veldet is beautiful and lush, Iskara is magnificent but the Grey Towers are bleak - stunning from a distance but no fun to hike - just miles and miles of shifting shale. I mean, people go there, but not *many* people. And this place is right in the middle of them. You wouldn't even get a good view! Still, it was pretty well identified on this map.

Could this be a map of Viendenbourg before it, the lake and the ravine disappeared?

This card's driving me crazy!

PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 12:21 pm
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ammonite
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Scarlett's email

Nightingale, I was just thinking that same thing. If you turn the card on its side so that the title is on the right, then the Isihara Peak could be in the middle at the bottom (it's the highest point on the card), Lake Veldet in the middle/right, and the Grey Towers on the left. Which makes Viendenbourg in that little pale circle in the middle of the Grey Towers. I did email Scarlett asking for a copy of the map on the databutton, but no dice yet...

My first post, sitting back awaiting a trout, I'm sure I deserve one for something!

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ammonite
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SPEC - Earthquakes and Syzygy

Okay, going out on a limb here, but working on the basis that this card is a geological map of the Viendenbourg area showing the fault lines underneath, and that the original title of this ARG was Project Syzygy, I've just been reading about a maverick geologist (I love that - who knew there were maverick geologists?) who claims to be able to predict earthquakes from a number of factors, including syzygies. Interestingly, there was a massive earthquake in Kamchatka in 1737, 9.3 on the Richter scale, which is Year 0 in Perplex City time.

I wonder if there's some connection between syzygies, earthquakes, both in this world and theirs, and the events we're trying to make sense of. A link to that geologist for interested parties:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/05/0523_050523_moonquake_2.html

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oliverkeers13
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OK. I just got this card today, and have noticed a number of interesting things, that (i think) haven't been documented.
1. (this may be a printing error or a kloo) in the left hand side of the middle big blob on the right hand side, there is a VERY small blue dot.
2. All the lines seem to go in the same direction
3. Not all the lines are solid, some are lines of dots.
4. There is a line on the left hand side that STOPS abruptly at the outside of one of the blobs. While the others seem to round off, this stops at the point it meets the blob.
5. The picture is VERY blurry, not due to print quality as the name is clear. THis may be vital.
6. Some bits of the lines are MUCH lighter than others, even on the background

I hope that helps.
Initial thoughts on my part as to what it is are: volcanoes on fault lines (lines = fault lines, blobs = volcanoes), heat cracking (lines = cracks, blobs = hotspots).
I also think that, like with the 13th labour, it may represent a message. When we decifer it, it may pose a question.

Anyway, those are my $0.02. I hope that you can make something of this!
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Loric
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Geology

In my reply to the 'do these cards have a common theme' thread, I emailed a link to the Elucidate picture to a friend of mine who's a petrochemical geologist, and here's what I got back:

"Could be so many things.
Couple guesses:

*Plan view fracture map w/ permeability plotted as function of open aperture

*Cross section view, perhaps from seismic, of faults or fractures w/ some seismic attribute
(amplitude, coherence?) mapped"

So perhaps there's something to the idea.

Thanks,

Loric

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