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Why do I think that Harry will be the last of the Horcruxes?

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 		FANTASTIC SPEC Kona!!!11!!!!one!! I love that idea, however, i doubt it.
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Harry has to destroy all the other Horcruxes, then kill Voldie, if He is one of the Horcruxes, then he couldn't kill Voldie. However, if he kills himself and then gets Ron Or Hermi to kill Voldie, then it could work. Also i think that Dumble said that they were all made before he killed harry/he wanted to kill harry to fulfill the prophecy, and if a horcrux is damaged, the soul is released, so doesn't really seem that likely. Once again, love the spec.

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nah Dumbledore said Voldemort was probably saving the final horcrux for Harry's murder -- as being a particularly portentous murder it would make for a powerful horcrux. Dumbledore spec'd that he failed and then made that snake a horcrux...

I also suspect that harry will at least start off back at Hogwarts. Rowling loves using repeated motifs (read, formula) -- so at the beginning, Harry will be back at the Dursleys, then he will go to the weasleys (for the wedding), then back to Hogwarts... But I don't expect him to hang around there too long; though I agree with the spec that one/some of the horcruxes will be at hogwarts.

but all told, I enjoyed the read -- I agree it was very short on plot, but I never expected there to be a lot ... most of it was just leading up to the death, so that Harry could finally be independent


...and why don't we just cover this whole thread in spoiler red? Wink

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oliverkeers13 wrote:
FANTASTIC SPEC Kona!!!11!!!!one!! I love that idea, however, i doubt it.
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Harry has to destroy all the other Horcruxes, then kill Voldie, if He is one of the Horcruxes, then he couldn't kill Voldie. However, if he kills himself and then gets Ron Or Hermi to kill Voldie, then it could work. Also i think that Dumble said that they were all made before he killed harry/he wanted to kill harry to fulfill the prophecy, and if a horcrux is damaged, the soul is released, so doesn't really seem that likely. Once again, love the spec.


I was kinda thinking along the same lines, and...
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It's a good point you make about Harry needing to be alive to kill Voldemort...however, 1) as far as I remember, the soul in V's body doesn't need to be killed last (right?), so Harry could kill him, but there could still be horcruxes left, and 2) I suspect Snape will have a lot to do with defeating V in the end. It would all be poetic and whatnot, if Harry dies and Snape is instrumental in it all.

They went out of their way to make it clear that living beings can be horcruxes. Oh, and, since V meant to make Harry's death the sacrifice for the last horcrux, then maybe when it failed, the spell twisted itself and made Harry himself into the horcrux. Or something like that. It wouldn't make sense for V to do it on purpose, but it could have been an accident caused by the twisty magic that killed him and saved Harry.

Ooh, also? Harry's a parseltongue, and he's got a strong connection to V. The horcrux thing would be a good explanation for that.

This might be insane, but it would seem almost cheap to end the series with Harry not dying, after all the "it's getting daaaarrrrkker" business. Although Ron and Hermione better not die, dammit.


I wonder, could we attach a SPOILER WARNING to the topic title and then stop writing in big spoiler blocks?

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nah, spoiler blocks are fun!

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 		I just had a thought

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Maybe Dumbledore's not really dead, but Dumbledore knew all along that in order for harry to be strong enough to defeat V. he has to believe he has no one to lean on- ie he needs the grief of death, the love he feels for Sirius/his parents/dumbledore to pull him through killing V.

Thus - Snape IS still an undercover Phoenix member, and when he made the binding promise in the beginning, he went straight to dumbledore and told him, and they formed this plan then.

book 5 saw Dumbledore open up to Harry in the belief that he was blinded by old man follies, and he admitted that he should have listened to Harry and explained everything earlier. All year Harry was trying to tell everyone that Draco was a deatheater, and no one, least of all Dumbledore listened - on the face of it. Perhaps he really DID listen, but chose to deny it because he already knew, and didn't want Harry spoiling the plan...

did everyone get that? cos I feel I went on a bit of a rant parade then Smile


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 		So Miss_Seph -

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You think what they buried was a twinner?

Something else I found interesting was the phoenix at the end, coming from the grave. The phoenix is Dumbledore's patronus. Seems like a big clue by four saying "he's still alive!", but I've been wrong once or twice before.


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well that's what I figured too - or he is buried and has managed to pour himself into his patronus, similar to the way Tonks had her patronus send a message for her. Whether they buried him, or a twinner, I hold some stock in spec that DUmbledore's not dead, and Snape's not evil.

As much as I hate Snape and wish he WERE evil so Harry would kill him, I don't think Rowling would have started off the book with Snape being so blatantly evil. That's the kind of thing that would unravel in a plot twist further down the line, so I reckon book 7 will twist and show Snape being good and true and an Order member the whole time.

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Yeah, I think you're right. Snape is a classic redemptive character.

I also remember reading that in some interview or another, JKR has said that the way the OOtP communicates with each other (via patronus) will prove to be quite important later on, so that lends credence to the phoenix patronus having more significance, as you said. I never thought about Dumbledore pouring more of himself into it - rather like a light-side horcrux, huh?


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What about the portrait of Dumbledore, then?

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 		Well there were portraits in the boxes of Chocolate Frogs. (WOOHOO! a post in this thread that doesn't require spoilering!!!) Rock On
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 		Granted. I suppose it remains to be seen if that portrait is interactive at all (the personage in the frame can talk with people in the room, etc.). If that person cannot, then perhaps there's a case.
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What about the portrait of Dumbledore, then?

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Yeah, that's what my friend thinks is going to be the way Dumbledore communicates in the future.


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Dudes and Dudettes... I hate to say it, but Dumbledore is dead. There's no way around it. It's been covered and covered. Harry saw him fall. His spell broke off when he hit the ground and passed. Dumbledore lay in a broken heap with blood trickling out of his nose... There's just no way around it. I think Rowling did it on purpose this way, so that while we could come up with backwards ways to justify it otherwise, the only sensible outcome was that he was, indeed dead.


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I totally agree with whoever said that Harry, Ron and Hermione will totally be leaving Hogwarts next year, but that there will be a Hogwarts storyline. I especially agree that Neville will be the central character. They've built him up so much, and as far as the non-central characters, he's gotten the most treatment in the last couple of books. I think that's where it's going. Neville as the "unchosen one" and through his eyes we'll see what's up with McGonigal, Hagrid, Ginny, Luna, and the Griffyndor crew...


And one more thing:
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Snape is SOOO evil. He's always been. Always will be. And HOW COOL IS IT that Draco Malfoy is now set up as a totally evil person, non-redeemable, now that Snape removed his last escape.... The final battle tween Malfoy and Potter will be spectacular, I am certain.

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Dorkmaster wrote:
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Snape is SOOO evil. He's always been. Always will be. And HOW COOL IS IT that Draco Malfoy is now set up as a totally evil person, non-redeemable, now that Snape removed his last escape.... The final battle tween Malfoy and Potter will be spectacular, I am certain.


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Neither Snape nor Malfoy are evil. In fact, Draco is clearly being set up to join Harry (or at least desert Voldemort) sometime before the final battle. As for Snape, he was at least aligned with evil (though not totally evil himself) in the past, which allows him to do evil acts now; he knows full well that he's already damned. He does the evil acts for good, however.


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