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CHESS MOVES???
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Diandra
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Plot Point, So To Speak

I plotted Jim's movements on the map. I would guess that he begins in the afternoon and continues until the morning on the next day, but I plotted it both ways since I'm not 100% sure.

I couldn't find much significance in his movements but someone else might. Please let us know if you do.

Thanks,
Dia
push map pm-am.jpg
 Description   PM to AM
 Filesize   69.58KB
 Viewed   498 Time(s)

push map pm-am.jpg

push map am-pm.jpg
 Description   AM to PM
 Filesize   67.84KB
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push map am-pm.jpg


PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2002 10:24 pm
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Tien_Le
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Diandra!!! These maps are awesome! Wonder if this is a constellation.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2002 10:32 pm
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Diandra
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Hmmm

Well, Delilah did say something about taking an astronomy class. Very Happy

If there are any amateur or professional astronomers out there, please help us out!

Dia

PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2002 10:35 pm
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ngajengai
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Thanks, Ozy! Very Happy

Hope this img thingy works:



[Nerd humor... what can I say?]

I could just kiss you! Embarassed

Okay. That's enough of that!

pjv
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Diandra
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Maybe it's this one...

http://www.corvus.com/con-page/autumn/cet-01.htm

Perhaps?

Dia

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ngajengai
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Diandra,

WOW!

"AWESOME" is the word!

Thank you!

I reiterate: WOW!

PJV
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Ozy_y2k
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watch out, ngajengai, you're gonna give me a big head with all this flattery. Embarassed Cool

Here is more information on the guioco piano and/or the Evans (what I mistakenly identified before as the "Andersen") gambit, for anyone who is interested:

http://www.dwheeler.com/chess-openings/

While I hardly consider myself to be much more than a barely-functional chess player at best, I am intrigued by the potential deviation in standard opening strategy, and subsequent insight into Jim's character, that these two openings indicate (at least before all that nonsense about "cornering the White bitch" ruined what could have been a perfectly decent game).

On the one hand, the piano opening is considered to be a "quiet" opening -- i.e., one which does not result in a large exchange of pieces or pawns at the outset and which tends to be favored by slow, methodical players who prefer a protracted middle- and end-game with many avenues of attack remaining. Note that in this opening, unlike the Sicilian or other aggressive attacks, the center of the board is not immediately under attack due to the placement of Black's queen bishop reinforced by the queen's knight. White and Black take their sweet time in this piano opening, building long, boring looking, but powerful chains of pawn structures, which will ultimately determine the course of the middle game. This appears to be in keeping with Mr. Prufrock's apparent nature as a quiet, stubborn, determined sort of guy who would not call undue attention to his method of attack or investigation.

However, the Evans gambit, also allowed by this opening, is a MUCH riskier maneuver, which results in White (Jim) voluntarily sacrificing the pawn at b4 on move 4, so as to force Black's queen bishop away from the center and allowing White to develop a strong center with something like: 5. c3 Ba5 6. d4 exd4 and then a castling king's side. This is essentially a strategy of forcing Black's hand (as most gambits are) and forcing Black to decline 4. ...Bxb4 which is a mighty hard target to pass up. If this was Jim's approach, he's got more guts than I would give him credit for, and also a bit of a hidden wild streak. Of course, we're talking about a man who voluntarily got "DEATH & TAXES" permanently etched into his back in 80-point nonremovable gothic font. Wink

So what the hell does any of this have to do with the ultimate puzzle? Not a damn thing as usual. Just me trolling about once more for a tasty bit of subtext where one probably doesn't exist. Smile

O

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Diandra
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You're Most Welcome

You're most welcome, PJV.

Dia

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That is interesting. gets the mind reeling.

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Looking at the locations, I tend to think that it's PM > AM. Of the known times that Jim was at Demonhead Flats, the only one that would be after he had the tracking device (from which Enoch got this info) would be when Dawn took him there. She picked him up at Sloman's which was after he was at Blackwell's and when he was in the neighborhood and saw the "Hey Dad, Hi Sport" bit. At least I think that's how it worked out.


12:03 PM Sheriff's Office
2:13 PM Blackwell's
4:02 PM Vicinity of Shadrack's
5:35 PM Vicinity of BRB's home
6:45 PM Push shops & restaurant
11:30 PM Sloman's
1:02 AM Road to Demonhead Flats
2:17 AM Demonhead Flats
4:57 AM Demonhead Flats
5:49 AM Demonhead Flats

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ngajengai
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Gee, Diandra, I never thought of a draw in chess quite the way
you described in your pm!

But then my take on things is a little bit different...

In fact, they weren't really braced for me at the local chess club...

I don't know what all the fuss was about...
All I did was to jump up and grab the opponent's king
when I checkmated him,
yell *YESSSSssssss!* at the top of my lungs and spike him...
like a tiny black football into the carpet in a little private victory celebration...

I mean geesh! Priss-pots, all of 'em!
They didn't kick the hubby out, he was just too embarrassed to go back...

No. NOT really.
I've just become crazed with Pushdementia!

It's the long hours, the long endless hours or research and...

*GOINK!*

I just saw history change right before my very eyes...
TWICE! Confused

Hoo-boy. I probably need to come up for air...

NAAAAH! Laughing
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chess moves

Don't know how this might fit in. but in trying to figure out the missing moves it occurred to me that the only way that Jim's king could have been put in jepoardy was if he had castled. Would anyone like to share their thoughts on this theory?

PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2002 3:49 pm
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evans gambit

first post, been reading here for weeks. thought i'd share the info i found in regards to the chess moves.
just like all the other things in the show to get our heads spinning after spending countless hours of investigation to find a possible "real" clue, turns out like many.....referencing DISNEY.

but first, i must add the bag sloman had the money in....funny, i hadn't ever heard of a new center in DisneyWorld called Disney QUEST.

anyhoo, on with the gambit. I love chess. I don't play as much as i used too, but the strategy always fascinated me. so when our hero plays numbers only chess, which gives me a headache, i was intrigued to jot the details down hoping for a real clue.

as dia pointed out, the chess aficionado she appears to be, the opening move does fall under giuco piano and its Jim's 3rd move that falls under the class of Evans gambit. I had played this move before, but never knew the specific name.

Well, after hours of extensive homework:

The Evans Gambit, named after Captain William Davies Evans who, while on a ship in 1824 and doing an odd sailing chore had this move just pop into his head. He jotted down all the specifics and not until est1826 did he incorporate the move in a chess game.

what makes Evans so special?
well, other than also inventing a tri-colored lighting system for ships to avoid collisions at night,

the ship that evans was supposedly on was called the.........

CINDERELLA.

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ooo, so maybe the final clue is going to be aired on The Wonderful World of Disney presents Cinderella.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2002 11:34 am
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Cinderella...Peter Pan....What's next, Snow White?

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