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[UPDATE] Quirky Acuity - July 22 - Sigh
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Daffy889
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[UPDATE] Quirky Acuity - July 22 - Sigh

Violet wrote:
Sigh. Completely exhausting week. Not only was Cymbalisty on my case again about the piles of work I should apparently have done weeks ago, but also today some stupid guy just wouldn't give up on a query about material in the deep stacks. Honestly, I try to be helpful with queries, I don't like to be the angry-librarian-with-face-like-I-just-sucked-a-lemon, but the stacks are closed for a reason and I really can't let anyone take a look around just to see if there are "ancient documents relating to the brotherhood". This guy was really persistent, hung around for about three hours bothering me until I eventually threatened to call security. Weird, really - the insane ones are usually much older, he can't have been more than 23 or 24.

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Young Jared Cherrywood picking up the trail left by his fForerunner, perhaps? Well, let's pop an email out to her and see if she knows who this guy was.

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Ack! Violet! That young guy you say was pestering you about the deep stacks! What can you tell us about him? He may know something, and it's vital we fFind out who he is, and quick!! I don't want to let on anything especially dangerous to you, but he may know something about sentinel reporter Pietro Salk's death! Did you catch his name? Jared Cherrywood maybe? or maybe Adam Cachin? We need to fFind him before he does something profoundly stupid, like get himself killed!

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So violet isn't pissed with us. I'm intrigued by the lack of explanation of the absence of her posts, though. I would also like to know which whippersnapper was interested in the Brotherhood of the Six.
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oliverkeers13 wrote:
I would also like to know which whippersnapper was interested in the Brotherhood of the Six.


Technically she just said "the brotherhood" and though the Brotherhood of the Six is the only brotherhood we currently know about, it's possible there's some more "ancient" brotherhood being referred to. It'd also be rather nice to know how old it has to be before it's considered "ancient".

Besides, if it's at all the same group that Pietro was talking about, it would have to be something that people didn't think was around anymore. The Brotherhood of the Six is quite obviously still around.

I'm anxious to see if Violet responds with more info. Somehow I doubt it Smile
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WolverineFan wrote:
... the Brotherhood of the Six is the only brotherhood we currently know about ...
Actually no, there's also the Brotherhood in Old Town, which is known fFor it's lovely fFestivals with song and cackes at the holidays. That's about all we know about them, tho. I imagine them being like the mormons of their world: This fFunny little off-shoot group who does an impressive holiday show. Primary difference: Brotherhood in the old town is quite large. It is, in fFact, the largest cult in the city.
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I'm certain that the "Brotherhood" in the Old Town is the Brotherhood of the Six -- they are the _most_ mainstream Cubists, and much of their celebration seems to have become running these festivals...

And I suspect that whenever people refer to "the brotherhood", they mean that of the 6, given that they are the originals

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If you read the Brotherhood of the Six's website through carefully, it becomes obvious that the *essential* belief - set is Cubism, and that the Brotherhood are one particular sect of Cubist believers, who have developed alongside a number of others historically. The Brotherhood appear to be the most 'orthodox' Cubist group, and it is probably the adherents of the Brotherhood Church who are referred to when people talk about 'Orthodox Cubists'. Other 'splinter' groups mentioned include The Archers of Dawn, the Quadrilists, the Fire of the South, the Third Power, the Society of Elders, the Tarsians, and the Kababah Clan.

Because of the mysterious discovery of a symbol that has been read (by some) as a '3' encoded within Pietro Salk's maze puzzles, it has been hazarded that the mysterious 'conspiratorial' group of 'ancient believers' that Pietro was directed to investigate by The Advisor was, in fact, 'The Third Power' - however, there is no further evidence to prove that is the case as yet.

If we recall what *might* have prompted this commentary from Violet, it was that a number of us suggested, following suggestions on the Brothehood website, that locating a book called ''The Third Power, the Archers and the City of Dawn: An investigation into the Power of the Perplex City Cube and those who have guarded it''' by Andrew Lencival might be worthwhile. This sounds like a modern scholarly work, rather than an ancient document, but we were inspired to ask by virtue of the fact that we knew Pietro had visited the Academy Library and taken out books relating to the 'Conspiracy'. We also know that The Advisor told him that such a Conspiracy was ancient in origins.

So, to our mysterious whippersnapper: perhaps speaking of the 'brotherhood' in lower case is a generic term i.e. all Cubists are implicitly members of a brothehood (of souls? of fellow believers?) and so, all Violet meant was this guy was looking for ancient documents relating to Cubist belief, rather than the Six per se. Alternatively, these are literally ancient documents relating to the Brotherhood of the Six (and perhaps lesser splinter sects). My initial reaction was that some Perplexian was actually trying to track down the very book we had been searching for, although whether this counts as an 'ancient document' is an open question. Clearly, we are seeing someone attempting to pursue lines of inquiry we're interested in.

It's actually pretty odd when you think about it: either this is total coincidence, or somebody knows more about Pietro's investigations than, strictly speaking, they should do. And, given that I thought we'd already told Violet we were interested in this kind of data (though I can't remember if we did or not), it's strange she didn't make a connection in her blog...
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wintermute_au wrote:
I'm certain that the "Brotherhood" in the Old Town is the Brotherhood of the Six --


Violet says Otherwise.

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So, how it works is that there's one "Brotherhood of the Six" to which a few different groups claim they are the legitimate successors. There's the Brotherhood in the Old Town, who are really fairly harmless old buffers -


I take this to mean "The Brotherhood of the Six" are like the Catholics. They have the oldest fForm of [Christianity/Cubism], and lots of other groups have taken off in their own ways after them. Cubist Protestants, if you will.
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Leeravitz wrote:
(though I can't remember if we did or not), it's strange she didn't make a connection in her blog...


We did, so I presume it was ignored at that time for plot purposes...a certain selectivity is apparent in responses. I e-mailed Kurt, partly to be rude about SixSidedSquare and the e-mail fiasco (huh...I asked for the postage to NZ), but I also asked after Violet and where she had got to (whether she was OK as the last thing we had said to her was that we'd like her to look into the symbol, that it was connected to Salk's death, that there were people working at the Academy that might not like her looking into it and that it may be dangerous), and whether he would mind advertising Firefox.

He responded to the latter, but ignored anything about Violet. Perhaps her blog entry is the response, perhaps not.

I'd like to know the reason the stacks are closed. Something in PxCs past that the general public wouldn't like, or simply librarians hatred of people who turn down the corner of pages instead of using a bookmark.

Completely OT aside, my mum's a librarian and the librarian story I enjoy most (other than the one where she found a bloke wa*king in the stacks and had to throw him out) is that the back of lending copies of Mills and Boon novels have rows of initials in the back as it's the only way that the elderly ladies that take them out can tell whether they've read them before. I think it says more about the average Mills and Boon plot than old ladies minds.
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Mikeyj wrote:
the back of lending copies of Mills and Boon novels have rows of initials in the back as it's the only way that the elderly ladies that take them out can tell whether they've read them before. I think it says more about the average Mills and Boon plot than old ladies minds.


Great story, hope Violet is reading for librarian-style tips... Laughing
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Scott wrote:
wintermute_au wrote:
I'm certain that the "Brotherhood" in the Old Town is the Brotherhood of the Six --


Violet says Otherwise.

Violet wrote:
So, how it works is that there's one "Brotherhood of the Six" to which a few different groups claim they are the legitimate successors. There's the Brotherhood in the Old Town, who are really fairly harmless old buffers -


I take this to mean "The Brotherhood of the Six" are like the Catholics. They have the oldest fForm of [Christianity/Cubism], and lots of other groups have taken off in their own ways after them. Cubist Protestants, if you will.


Scott, I knew the quote you're talking about, but I'd always read it as:
1. There's one 'Bot6' who are, as you say, like the catholics
2. there's the Brotherhood (branch) in the old town; which though it isn't specified, seems to be supported on the Bot6 website (http://www.brotherhoodofthesix.com/):
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This is the new website of the Brotherhood's temple in Old Requint Square

I don't actually know where 'old requint square' is, but I'm assuming it's in the Old Town, and thus is the same branch Violet mentions
3. In that same post, Violet continues, talking about the Brotherhood in the Old Town: "They're the largest group of Cubeheads in the city", which again supports the idea of them as the "mainstream"/original sect (and thus the Bot6)
4. Violet then continues "The Recons are a splinter group", by which I assume they're one of many, but probably the largest and most obvious. I'm also assuming that by introducing "splinter group" this late in the post, she means to say that the Brotherhood are not a splinter group.

Also, as Leeravitz outlines, I'd see the Brotherhood as the mainstream/orthodox Cubists, where Cubism is the over-arching belief-set, comparable to 'Christianity'. Violet specifies that the original Cubist group was the "Brotherhood of the Six", from which various groups claim to be descended from. To compare to Christianity again, this would be like the various protestant christian groups claiming descendancy from the original christians, even when those churches have been founded historically recently. The talk of the writings of Gyvann, which both the Brotherhood and the Recons hold sacred, suggests that as with christianity, people can still return to original texts and claim legitimacy by their interpretations... Further, this suggests that Gyvann is one of the fathers of Cubism, not of Reconstructionism (else I doubt the Brotherhood would respect his writings)

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i just reposted to violet emphasizing and re-emphasising the importance of fFinding out who the guy was.

We **NEED** someone useful on our side. not a sodding person in perplex city fFeeds us a shred of information, the ignorant bastards, and it's pissing me off! My thinking is, if we can fFind out who the guy was, we can get him to talk to us and help us. But only if violet is moved to actually answer a simple question.

did i mention: the lack of interaction between these people is incredibly annoying, well beyond irksome, and on into plain /stupid/ of them.
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That is a good idea - but I am wondering who it may be.

Perhaps it is one of the thieves - or The Advisor (it still could be male) or some random factor like people who investigate alien conspiracies.

Hmm wonder if he will have a website - 'The Third Power is out There'

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I thought the revamped Perplex City website had now confirmed the advisor as a female?

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After Holyoake's murder by an unknown party, The Advisor went into hiding. Exactly who The Advisor is, and where she is now, is still unknown.

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Sorry Embarassed Note to self : Must use eyes!

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