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TheDragonArmy
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I'm not sure how many of you are familiar with the Dark Tower series by Stephen King, but after seeing "Thunderclap" the first thing i though of was the entire area in the story referred to as Thunderclap, and populated by some pretty scary characters. Nonetheless, in the middle of Thunderclap is the Dark Tower from which the entire epic novel takes its title, which holds together all of the parallel worlds and universes. The king of the dark tower is mad and attempting to destroy all of reality, but the protagonist combs thunderclap in order to find a way to destroy the dark king and restore the tower.
This could be wildly off track, but then, so could any story that we look at. I feel like this needs more investigation to find whether or not it ties into the book "the Combed Thunderclap" and how all of this ties to PXC.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 2:32 pm
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ok TDA, i'll bite, how did he "comb" thunderclap, what did he find, and how did he kill the king?
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all I know is I definitely have the best groomed hair in #syzygy.
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crovax1234
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I could be totally coming from left field here, but is there any sort of transcription of the story within "Combed Thunderclap"? If so, couldn't it possibly be the target of the Beale on #223?

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ramsfan
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A puzzling friend was very drunk on Saturday night by the time we got to discuss my current obsession. He kept repeating Stephen King, thunderclap, and given his state (I was the nominated driver) I didn't take much notice. So just to support the dragon, you may have struck on something important. It feels very pxc, but then so does the anagram suggestion implicit in borges.
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crovax1234 wrote:
I could be totally coming from left field here, but is there any sort of transcription of the story within "Combed Thunderclap"? If so, couldn't it possibly be the target of the Beale on #223?

If you mean "Is there a transcription of the book named Combed Thunderclap mentioned in The Library of Babel by Borges?", I guess the answer is no. I tried the James Irby translation of The Library of Babel as a key to the Beale and came up with...zilch!
Nevertheless, I also think the Beale is an important part of the Meta-Puzzle, maybe giving the starting point for further directions or something.

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rose
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"I" stole the cube

About the "I" stole the cube, I am reading this now as an accusation rather than a confession, where "I" is used like "V" or "C"

Didn't Inari Ekaba threaten to steal the cube? I am looking through the list of characters to find other possible suspects.
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satoshI stole the cube?

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mrarfarf
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Crimson Hexagon?

This wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Library_of_Babel) is pretty interesting... it mentions a "Crimson Hexagon" (Read it for an explanation) That seems to be a key to the whole "Combed Thunderclap" Thing... does that seem like a password for soemthing else? Just an idea.. Mabey the key to another card? does anyone have a clue what this messages point could be? I was thinking it might be the "Entropy" that is mentioned in "Shuffeled" or at least have something to do with it. Any Ideas?

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LilPickle-Amplizine
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Strange things afoot!

Wow, how many coincidences can occur in one day? So I'm busy reading up on all the big puzzles while watching all-day Stargate (hurray 200th episode!) in the middle of a lightning storm. I was following up on that Borges bit about "Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius" and I have to agree, that sounds very Perplexian. The part with the loud, young, and very dead guy that had the artifact that was a "cone of bright metal, the size of a die" and composed of an unknown metal. The whole idea of there being another world that is sending mysteriously to Earth and eventually that culture taking over ours... that sounds a lot like our story. And then after a rather close lightning strike (and of course, the following "thunderclap" Evil or Very Mad ), my power went out right on cue. I'm getting paranoid now.

The Third World part is really catching my imagination, as well as the definition of syzygy... so as the storm outside rages on, my mind is equally as torrential. WHAT IF... and this is a colossal IF... what if there is another planet in our solar system that we don't know about because it happens to lie on the opposite side of the sun from us at all times? AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!

It could explain how Perplexians have the same length years, it could explain (maybe) the wormhole idea, it could explain similarities between cultures (seeing how many things are based on time), and who knows what else it could explain!

I have no idea so far where this is supposed to go, but I am 98% sure that story is the right direction! I have to go pass out now from all the excitement. For me, it was just like in "V for Vendetta" when the inspector says he could see it all, past, present and future as one but didn't know what to make of it.

[EDIT]Just thought of more stuff, the card "#203 Ecliptic" could also be a reference to either Earth or PXC with the little cube drawn on that planet!
[EDIT]Aww, but "#044 You Are Here" seems to negate it then. But it doesn't exlcude the possibility still! Considering Perplexians don't have much flight experience, I'd also guess they don't have much of a space program--but you'd think they'd still know the planets in their solar system and recognize they match with ours.
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ramsfan
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Like the antiearth idea. Maybe you should write the book, or go straight to screenplay. Our house was also struck by lightning in the last storm. Almighty bang, it shook, cat spooked, electricity went off. Those 3p guys mean to warn us alright. I can't get beyond Thunderclap - Newman - Randy - Ok so I am short but there's no reason to sing about it.
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PerplexHero
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Okay, new thought here.

As I was looking at this, I was thinking about the idea suggested earlier that maybe "COMBED THUNDERCLAP" was a phrase that read something sensible in a different language. From this, I started looking at applying the Solitaire cipher to this text. I didn't come up with anything yet, but that is because Solitaire is so dependent on keying the deck to some order. One obvious way to do this is by the card numbers themselves, but I realized there was another, more subtle way to order these cards:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Each card symbol appears on every card in a very slightly different size. There may be some duplication in heights, but it's looking good so far that there are none exactly the same size.

I'm doing this with scanned card symbols, but I'm finding it very slow going. If someone else wants to tackle getting this ordering and post it here, I'd be grateful.


Once I have this ordering I can quickly run it through my test pages to see if it yields anything promising. While I can't get the order until tomorrow night myself, I can do the encryption/decryption testing earlier in the day.

Hope someone's inspired. Smile

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OK, I've been thinking about what madame bianca said in her last futures - can't see the library for the bookshelves. This has got to be a direct reference to this message, so here's some spec to get us thinking.

I've been thinking that the Library of Babel reference is possibly a lot simpler than we have been making it to be. What if we're just looking for a library? Either as a starting point for some further directions (the number strings?) or something else.

But then the question is - what library?

Well, to me it makes sense to go with the Thunderclap reference. According to Wikipedia, Borges was head of the National Library of Argentina. Here's a link to the wikipedia article for that, complete with photo of the place - isn't it cool? Smile

(Note also that the photo seems to have some kind of code on the windows - it's not Braille, as far as I can see, but I doubt it's related. Still..)

Here's an English translation of the library site. Also, this page notes a possible link between the building and Borges, but it's sketchy.

According to the links above (in fact, take a look here, there are four main pillars, and two floors above pillars. What I'd really like is a plan or map of the place, but having problems finding one. I'm wondering if there's some way that the number strings relate to this architecture or something, as a way of pinpointing an exact point within the building.

So.. anyone from Buenos Aires in the forum? Smile
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wakening

We got at least a partial solve to this reference. The "Combed Thunderclap" lead us to "library of babel" which after several hard kicks from kloos by the PMs took us to

http://perplexcityacademy.com/libraryofbabel/


I'm not sure what else, if anything is to be gleaned from this message, it seems we have found Combed Thunderclap -or at least something CT posted to the Academy website.
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PerplexHero
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Re: wakening

rose wrote:
We got at least a partial solve to this reference. The "Combed Thunderclap" lead us to "library of babel" which after several hard kicks from kloos by the PMs took us to

http://perplexcityacademy.com/libraryofbabel/


I'm not sure what else, if anything is to be gleaned from this message, it seems we have found Combed Thunderclap -or at least something CT posted to the Academy website.


Very cool! Everyone should watch this. Could this message be from the Receda Cube itself? Is it actually alive and has just been sleeping?

Intriguing!

-PerplexHero

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