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[Ade1000]

Scott is that convention centre near the river?
If so have def seen the big chrome donut on google earth.

How much of old town Wichita is similar to old town Perplex?

Just put 2gether a list of links to the original websites that still work:
The Rational Hatter
Catskill Seaview Clinic
7 To 1
Cybertronics
Sentinel Software Systems
Belladerma SRL
CRF - Abolitonist site
Metropolitan Living Homes
DonuTech Corporate
Rogue Retrieval
SENTIENT PROPERTY CRIME BUREAU
Kate Nei
Electric Toyland Repair Shop
Chan Family Homepage
Anti-Robot Militia
Martin Swinton Designs
Jeanine Salla Entry Point
Pan-American Coroners Office (PACO)
Sophia's Temple
H-SPHERE

Check them out, could be something in this lot that the cloudmakers could have missed, plus these are all sites that the whois linked to the Ghaepettos'.

[Scott]

[timair]

Ah Ha!!!

Its definitely something to do with AltaVista.

The Ghaepetto email addresses are all @altavista.com.

'Alta Vista' means "a view from above" - they even say so themselves:

[timair]

I'm trying putting the Ghaepetto addresses into the AltaVista search engine but haven't spotted anything interesting

[donstobbart]

Found this, but I don't know if its any good, (or if I deserve to be trouted!)

Then a guy calling himself "Monkey Stan" signed on and said he had a complete list of the sites associated with the film, all the hidden sites. Some of them aren't active yet, and they have password menus that pop up to keep you out. As I did a domain search on them though, at the suggestion of "Monkey Stan," who turned out to be Stan Tobiason of Critic.com, it turns out that all of these sites are registered to the women of the Ghaepetto family. They're owned by alphabetically ascending members of the Ghaepetto family, too. Anna, Bianca, Carla, Daniella. As if that weren't all odd enough, check out how many ALICE IN WONDERLAND references are used in these domain names. This is a lot of fun. Someone associated with AI deserves major credit for their work.
TRY THESE OUT!!
BELLADERMA-SRL-IT.COM
INOURIMAGE.ORG
METROPOLITANLIVINGHOMES.COM
DONU-TECH.COM
ROGUERETRIEVAL.COM
SPCB.ORG
ELECTRIC-TOYLAND.COM
KATENEI.COM
FAMILYCHAN.ORG
MARTINSWINTONDESIGNS.COM
RATIONAL-HATTER.COM
UNITE-AND-RESIST.ORG
JEANINESALLA.COM
MARTINSWINTON.COM
CORONERSWEB.ORG
TREACLE-WELL.NET
ONE-LUMP-OR-TWO.NET
OFFWITHHISHEAD.NET
ALEPH-NAUGHT.ORG
ELIZAS-TEAROOM.NET
RAVEN-LIKE-WRITING-DESK.NET
http://www.bangaloreworldu-in.co.nz, a University site.

Don

[firebird]

Cloudmakers Train

[Grizy]

Followed the link in Firebird's post.
The Ghaepetto puzzle is listed but did they discover it or were they given it?
Further investigation shows that it was revealed to them at the Puppet Master's IRC on 24th July.

Transcript: -
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/cloudmakers-moderated/message/1303

Can't find Ghaepetto in the text but references to Alice in Wonderland were mentioned.

[donstobbart]

Found this email in Yahoo groups, from Elan Lee, one of the PMs in the Beast, he was asked if there was a real puzzle:

Yes, there is in fact a puzzle there, but I fear that it will be a bit of a
let down. The puzzle was put in place simply because we could
and has
little to do with the story.

You are on the right track, as are some people on cloudmakers,
but please
keep in mind (as you pour time into this) that the puzzle was built
under
the assumption that we would use all of our web sites, and that
each piece
would be released over time.

Also, the final pay off was not meant to be critical in any way. I
just
don't want to get your hopes up or distract you from real life when
the
light at the end of the tunnel might not be all that bright.

Sorry, that was a really long answer to a short question. Let me
try that
again. Yes, it is a real puzzle.

Elan

Question is what was the right track? They had looked at the email addresses, and at the 4 women on the map like we did too, think this is what the were looking at at that time:

I am looking at the web sites of these lovely
> > ladies. I can't find
> > any that Anna own's, can anyone help?
> > Also does the list of web sites ring any bells?
> > Bianca Ghaepetto METROPOLITANLIVINGHOMES.COM
> > Bianca Ghaepetto DONU-TECH.COM
> > Bianca Ghaepetto SPCB.ORG
> > Bianca Ghaepetto ROGUERETRIEVAL.COM
> > Bianca Ghaepetto INOURIMAGE.ORG
> >
> > Carla Ghaepetto JEANINESALLA.COM
> > Carla Ghaepetto MARTINSWINTON.COM
> > Carla Ghaepetto KATENEI.COM
> > Carla Ghaepetto UNITE-AND-RESIST.ORG
> > Carla Ghaepetto FAMILYCHAN.ORG
> > Carla Ghaepetto RATIONAL-HATTER.COM
> > Carla Ghaepetto MARTINSWINTONDESIGNS.COM
> > Carla Ghaepetto ELECTRIC-TOYLAND.COM
> >
> > Daniella Ghaepetto ONE-LUMP-OR-TWO.NET
> > Daniella Ghaepetto CORONERSWEB.ORG
> > Daniella Ghaepetto RAVEN-LIKE-WRITING-DESK.NET
> > Daniella Ghaepetto ALEPH-NAUGHT.ORG
> > Daniella Ghaepetto ELIZAS-TEAROOM.NET
> > Daniella Ghaepetto OFFWITHHISHEAD.NET
> > Daniella Ghaepetto TREACLE-WELL.NET
> >
> > I
> > Stanley,Daniel EARTHDIG-T-2000.COM
> >
> >

Dunno of this is any good, but I am trying.

Don

[ALISDAIRPARK]

Aside from trying to crack 11), back on pg 4 there was a list of confirmed answers by Ade1000, and as far as I can see we haven't had a correct answer for 10) yet?

A couple of other comments:

This seems a hell of a hard card for only 45 points - especially if we have to solve this other unsolved puzzle.

and isn't it strange how this never gets mentioned in the Sentinel as still unsolved, those fancy Silvers get all the cred..

[Ade1000]

Just emailed the makers again, but your right this does seem like an exceptionally difficult puzzle for 45 points. Some of the silver cards were easier to solve than this. Grrr!

[Ade1000]

No joy this time. But they did confirm that we need to solve the puzzle for question 11.

[frantic]

A few more possibles for Q11

[Dandare]

Man, I'm running round in circles and can't even find a place which explains what the puzzle is, yet.

Please, would someone do a quick post for me and point to a site with collected info and then I can contribute - this baby has my name on it.

[donstobbart]

I got most of the stuff I know from reading the messages in the Cloudmakers Yahoos site.

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/cloudmakers/message/5798 gives a list of the sites that were in the game, including the ones not used(according to the post I found from Elan Lee they were ALL relevant).

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/cloudmakers/message/43341, the cloudmakers were asking Sean Stewart if they were on the right track with their thinking, which I think I posted the reply earlier.

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/cloudmakers/message/42467 There is a list of connections the Cloudmakers found while they were looking for the answer.

Does this help? I`m getting bogged down by the Ghaepetto Sisters.

Incidently, the sisters had different email addys, through the four main search engines,

Anna: agheapettoSPLAThotmail.com
Bianca: bghaepettoSPLATnetscape.com
Carla: cghaepettoSPLATaltavista.com
Daniella:dghaepetto@lycos.com

and all the sites had the same host server which was earthdig-t-2000.com

There seemed to be some relevance to the server name, Doug Zartmans phone number spells out those digits, and something to do with the end of the film AI? Have not seen it so not sure about that bit, but the cloudmakers seemed pretty sure it was something to do with the robots digging up the world the film was set in, like an archaeological dig, 2000 years after the ice age.

Don

[ramsfan]

Dandare
Click on cloudmakers at the top of this page and you'll be as puzzled as me. I found this ages ago, and got excited by cuckoo, (vulture, above) etc. Visionary and Watchtower security no clearer. The people who understand this better seem sure about ghaepetto. Beautiful land/Founder seemed the most obvious answer but they've said we're wide of the mark.