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PUZZLE: Library Manuscript Page

**Posted:** Wed Apr 16, 2003 9:36 pm

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That sounds like something HITLER would say!

LazarusLong

SPEC: It's a hint!

**Posted:** Wed Apr 16, 2003 10:57 pm

Caterpillar

One of the early books on steganography, written by Johannes Trithemius in 1599, was allegedly a book on "angel magic," but actually contained a hidden, sophisticated system of steganography.

The book claims to contain "an accelerated language learning system and a method of sending messages without symbols or messenger,"

So is it stegged?

Or I've been looking at this page (another of his works-Polygraphiae):

http://www.hmml.org/resources/Trithemius/Cryptography.html

And although not a great match/picture ...to me the symbols look very similar to those on the HN Manuscript.

**Posted:** Wed Apr 16, 2003 11:46 pm

Frankie · Guest

If you highlight the whole page, there are a series of .. down each side.

Not sure of the rellevence.

**Posted:** Thu Apr 17, 2003 6:27 am

KyraB

The nine

**Posted:** Thu Apr 17, 2003 7:53 am

AnthraX101 · Entrenched Joined: 18 Mar 2003 Posts: 797

The picture doesn't appear to be steged, but it may be. I have it a shot yesterday and didn't get anything from it.

Good catch with the .'s. Those appear to be inserted because they are colored the same as the backround and in their own table. I don't think they were there accedently, but I don't know why they are there. Smile

I am thinking that the manuscript somehow relates to the guides email. But I'm not sure of that at all. Smile

AnthraX101

**Posted:** Thu Apr 17, 2003 8:55 am

Shelina

The .. reminds me of Braille system

**Posted:** Thu Apr 17, 2003 10:37 am

mopi

Trithemius planetary system

**Posted:** Thu Apr 17, 2003 10:55 am

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Spuds

<sigh>

**Posted:** Thu Apr 17, 2003 12:15 pm

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Shelina

There are several free trial version of steganographic tools, but I haven't found anyone yet for .jpg files Sad

**Posted:** Thu Apr 17, 2003 12:25 pm

AnthraX101 · Entrenched Joined: 18 Mar 2003 Posts: 797

I have copies of stegdetect and stegbreak if anyone needs them for educational or artistic purposes only. Smile

Steg detect doesn't find anything on the manuscript, and I set stegbreak on it with the dictionary I made from all the words from all of dales emails. Nada.

AnthraX101

**Posted:** Thu Apr 17, 2003 12:55 pm

Spuds

Tools...

**Posted:** Thu Apr 17, 2003 4:40 pm

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bgardner · Kl00 Joined: 17 Apr 2003 Posts: 42

First, the link to the manuscript page is here:

http://www.aglauranj.org/manuscriptpage.html

Second, if you highlight the whole page, there are a series of dots/periods along each side of the manuscript (in the HTML around the image). The are seven rows, containing 0-4 dots (varies per line). I also noticed there are seven red flowers on each side of the manuscript. They either face the reader or a turned away. I'm guessing that the dots/flower facing combination somehow match up to form a code we can solve. I've gote the dot count/flower facing combinations below, where flower facing reader=1, flower facing away=0.

2/1 4/1
0/1 0/0
2/0 0/1
0/1 0/0
2/0 0/0
2/1 2/1
2/1 0/0

I counted the other flowers and images in the border, and they amount doesn't match.

I can't figure out what to do at this point with it. Maybe I'm off base, but it seems a more likely solution then a stegged image. Whatever hidden information this puzzle is offering is coming from the writer of this book, who's been dead for quite some time.

**Posted:** Thu Apr 17, 2003 7:14 pm

Spuds

The dots....

**Posted:** Thu Apr 17, 2003 7:20 pm

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Spuds

Steg Results...

**Posted:** Fri Apr 18, 2003 9:01 am

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