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[QUESTION] "Cheating" at Poker
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rose
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[QUESTION] "Cheating" at Poker

Today I was watching a game. One player, no one I know from here or anywhere else for that matter, inadvertently revealed that he was conspiring with another player via the personal messaging. He typed "I am totally bluffing" in the wrong window, where the whole room could see it. His partner wrote back in the same public window "F****ers can hear you."

Ok I found that really funny, and they didn't seem to be cheating very effectively because they lost. And then soon left the table.

But what I am wondering is does this happen a lot? Should total novice players like me be concerned about it? Not sure what we could do anyway. But is there a way to maybe tell over a period of a few hands if people are cheating?

I have already learned about the "all-in" bet being used to intimidate me when I join a room. So that doesn't phase me anymore. But, being naive and trusting, I never thought about this system of cheating as a possibility... it seems totally pointless...And it won't keep me from playing. I am sure that there are only a few people out there who would bother to cheat this game.

Anyway I wondered if more experienced people might comment on this.

Edit - Changed topic, and move to poker forum - Ehsan
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 12:59 pm
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Hmm.

I've considered the possibility that it might, at some point, become vital that we win a game of poker (with characters in the game) to get information or whatever, and that in that eventuality, we might have to team up and cheat.

I hadn't considered the possibility that people would be doing it right now, as the chips get reset anyway and therefore don't really mean anything.

However, chances are that if it happened once, it's happened multiple times. It's an inherent vulnerability of having a private chat system, which I'd assume most online poker sites don't have for precisely that reason. Again, the fact that this one does, and that it allows you to use it during games, suggests to me that we may be required to cheat at some point, but I would assume that would be against characters in the game, not other players.

I don't know what to tell anyone -- I guess if you're worried about it, just try to play with UFers, or in rooms where there's only one non-UF person.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 1:12 pm
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It does happen a lot at free games using fake money, it happens less frequently with pay sites like UltimateBet and PartyPoker, but it still happens there too.

There should be no real concern about it since it's not real money, although it is annoying. If you're ever in a room with people that you think are working together to skew the odds, just leave and try to find another table.

I've been leaving tables frequently that are full of players that like you said go all in just so they can win the hand, or constantly overbet when they don't have a decent hand simply because I enjoy playing seriously with other players that play the same way.

Plus I'm still hoping that as the in-game aspect of LCP intensifies we'll be able to dominate at least a table or two full of argn folks anyhow.

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Had a similar experience. 2 people joined the table simultaneously. After the flop, one of the two would almost always fold. It struck me that they were working together, playing the best hand between them. On the rare occasions where they would both stay in, the community cards were set where they could contribute to 2 possible hands.
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Re: [Question] "Cheating" at Poker

Rose:

Knowing what cards one other person has can make a huge difference in a game. Say you've got a Queen in your pocket and there are two Queens on the board; that leaves one more somewhere in the deck, and if you know someone else has it and they conspire to fold, you don't really need to worry about being matched on your three of a kind.

While it is advantageous sometimes, it's not always so much so, and I think there's a very blurry line with regards to conspiring vs. conversing about the game. I've helped a few people pick Hold 'Em up since this game launched, and a lot of teaching them or helping them understand strategy is letting them know what pocket I have at certain intervals. Eventually they can pick up on betting habits and, once they understand what's trumping what, can figure out on their own what people most likely have. The difference is in personal gain, I imagine. If anything, you should at least feel assured that if you have a monster hand, no amount of conspiring can really strip you of it. You play what you get.

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rose
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cards

I suppose I was just really surprised to know that cheating happens - as it is for no particular purpose in a game that resets.

The main reason I care about the cheating is that I am really trying to learn how to play poker. Very Happy

Also, I hate to look like an idiot. If I am aware that people might be cheating, though how I would tell I still don't know, I would want to call them on it. Or something.

I guess I will just not worry about it. I love playing cards with my friends from ARGN. It is a good idea that as we get more tables going we can leave tables we are feeling unhappy about. I do like playing cards with new people too. That way I can indoctrinate them and bring them into the fold. Smile

(Teaching people to play is totally different, though the people around that table might not agree. )
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 1:29 pm
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Cheating on a free poker site is merely for ego. Everyone admits that J_dot_J's top player status is pretty cool, so it makes sense that other people are trying to achieve the same thing by cheating.

As for the chip resetting factor, I'm wondering if everyone really has read that. I wouldn't have gone to the forums if I didn't know that LCP was an ARG and I wouldn't be surprised if we have some bewildered people on Saturday wondering where all their chips went. Very Happy

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Hah, That's funny, If any of you guys have played against Schmurr420 or CneFtball** (Some numbers) That would be two kids I know, we have the same computer courses together and we play during that period, I gues we can see each others cards, and really, it doesn't change the gameplay that much.
It could help a bunch after like 5 hours of playing, but not really a huge amount. Only on the few exceptions, like what Jinx stated.
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And even if you win you can still much your hand in favor of one player at the table.

If we needed to win we wouldn't have to talk more than to establish who we were mucking in favor of.
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Tiny wrote:
Hah, That's funny, If any of you guys have played against Schmurr420 or CneFtball** (Some numbers) That would be two kids I know, we have the same computer courses together and we play during that period, I gues we can see each others cards, and really, it doesn't change the gameplay that much.
It could help a bunch after like 5 hours of playing, but not really a huge amount. Only on the few exceptions, like what Jinx stated.
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This isn't really accurate:

a) If you look at your 2 buddies' hands and realize that one of them has that pair of 10s to your 9s or has the queen high on the straight to the 7 low that you have leaving the Jack high for you, you're going to fold. If you're banking on the pair of aces in your hand to the pair of fours that are on the flop and you see that each of your buddies has one of the other aces and you're not going to see a 3rd one, you know enough to not get tin too deep with that guy doing the mad betting on the fours.

b) If you're working as a group to get one person ahead and then splitting the winnings later on another table with just the 3 of you, you can easily win pretty regularly. Think of it like this: If you could play 3 hands through the flop then just pick the best of the 3 to finish out with while the rest of the table only had one hand to play, you'd BETTER walk off with everyone's money.

Not saying you're doing any of these things, but it certainly can change the gameplay tremendously if you choose to make it do so.
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