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[LOCKED] [POKER] Sponsored Tournament/ARG Player?
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Flaag
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Is it just me who has noticed that Sandman is 2nd on the board? and has just posted on the forum, so this is a pretty moot point......
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Are any of the players on the board ARGN readers/ players? I'm sandman btw. Could we formulate a list of information that we need and anyone who does make it to the tourny can try and get it?

(Don't want to jinx any chance I've got)

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riemanns
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Well said, Mr StarkRavingMad. Is there anything in particular I should be doing if there are "characters" around? I know people have said that we should act naturally if we're on the same table as them but, as far as ARGs go, I'm teh noob. Is there a gameplan of any kind? Just record anything important?

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when are the argn people free I want to do a tournament some time today or tommorow. If there are any buddy that comes in that is not argn we will just sit out till they leave. Lets do something.

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The best thing to do if you see a character, is just treat them as that character. There's no point in saying "SO, PACO... WHAT CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT MR. PIKAR?" cuz he can't. He doesn't know anything about him, cuz they aren't connected (at least not yet). So, the point is that you should be yourself, treat the character as the character, and if the PMs want to get information out, I guarantee they will do so.

Beyond that, a little prying (within context) is never a bad thing. Wink for example, the dealer is always fair game, cuz he's the one who got Lucy involved, and he seems to have the omniscient view. So it makes sense to pepper him with questions, when appropriate.
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He's definitely got lots in the muck, but when people tried to pepper him yesterday, he dodged quite a bit.

I'd say, try to be conversational, but listen HARD, and follow his lead if it seems like he's hinting at a topic, or an event. In in-game terms, he's got a plan, from what I can gather, and he needs a bunch of us to help him make it come to fruition. So I am willing to be he's got particular bits of information he's either a) willing to give out as a matter of course, and b) needing to give out, to make sure we're keeping pace with his plans.
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krystyn wrote:
He's definitely got lots in the muck, but when people tried to pepper him yesterday, he dodged quite a bit.

I'd say, try to be conversational, but listen HARD, and follow his lead if it seems like he's hinting at a topic, or an event. In in-game terms, he's got a plan, from what I can gather, and he needs a bunch of us to help him make it come to fruition. So I am willing to be he's got particular bits of information he's either a) willing to give out as a matter of course, and b) needing to give out, to make sure we're keeping pace with his plans.


I agree with Krystyn. The best way to get answers is not to jump on a person you think knows something and shout "GIVE ME A KLOO!!!".

Talk about the game, talk about the weather, then ask them a question about them. Then you can start to wind the conversation about other stuff.

For instance, we were talking to Paco, and he said it had been a bad month, I asked him why other then being off'ed had it been bad.

He started talking about his botched Deli robbery and mentioned the skinny chick who shot at him. I was thinking that she may be the female cop described in donmacpherson's file about finding Kink's body. (Why else would he be able to carry a gun consealed in her purse and not get in trouble for it when the robery was reported.)

So I said, "I bet she's a cop." And Paco said, "I bet you're right!" and then we got new information in Corazon's file.

So it's okay to let the "character" lead. But don't just follow along. Nudge them rather then push them and you'll get good stuff.
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Re: [POKER] Sponsored Tournament/ARG Player?

RPGgame wrote:

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so with that said i feel we should pick a night when we can have a donate night and transfer our chips to an argn player that we can all trust. In this way we can find a way to get an argn player on the leaderboard thus solving the puzzle.

Edit - Changed topic - Ehsan


Isn't this kinda like cheating? I mean, I don't have a problem with it, but if people are going to cheat, then everyone should be able to without complaint.

I only bring it up because it seems like if a non-ARG person is looting the bot or going All-in before the flop, people scream...but this work-around is apparently ok.

Nothing will get lost...the PMs have done a good job with keeping everyone informed, so there's no cause for worry.

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Re: [POKER] Sponsored Tournament/ARG Player?

Dr_Pangloss wrote:
Isn't this kinda like cheating? I mean, I don't have a problem with it, but if people are going to cheat, then everyone should be able to without complaint.

I only bring it up because it seems like if a non-ARG person is looting the bot or going All-in before the flop, people scream...but this work-around is apparently ok.


I don't know that people have actually been "screaming" about non-ARG people looting the bots or going all-in before the flop. There's been some grumbling, but that's to be expected. We're all human, after all. Wink I'm not sure either of those constitute actual cheating. Bad form, in some people's eyes, perhaps, but not cheating.

That said, if it came to the point where there was going to be a poker game in which presumably necessary information would be disseminated, and we didn't have anyone on the board, well, yes, many of us would view "cheating" to ensure that the information gets to us differently from "cheating" for personal gain. After all, this is an ARG, and not just a poker site.

In the past, players have done things that normally wouldn't seem to be fair play when it was felt to be absolutely necessary to get the information (like brute forcing, for example). But yes, generally I think it's best to trust that the PMs will adapt to player activity to ensure that the necessary info gets out, and not do anything drastic unless/until we are at an impasse and not getting help. Smile

However, it's a moot point since Sandman is one of ours.
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Re: [POKER] Sponsored Tournament/ARG Player?

Phaedra wrote:
one of ours.

This is my issue.
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It shouldn't matter who is in it. Whoever makes it makes it, and you have no right to force entry into a tournament that other people have earned their way into because "we" as a community are more important. Get over yourself and play.

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ThaJinx wrote:
It shouldn't matter who is in it. Whoever makes it makes it, and you have no right to force entry into a tournament that other people have earned their way into because "we" as a community are more important. Get over yourself and play.


I think clearly we have a difference in philosophy regarding how important the tournament is, vs. the information to be gained there.

Nevertheless:

1) Regardless of what you consider "right" or "wrong," the fact remains that no one has done anything yet, so I can't see why we can't remain polite about this, which brings me to:

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ThaJinx wrote:
Get over yourself and play.


Considering that you phrased it in the singular, I hope you're not referring to any one individual, as a number of people seem to have espoused each view here.

In addition, I see no need for that level of hostility. I'd reiterate that no one has done anything yet -- all that's occurred is speculation and discussion.
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Phaedra wrote:
ThaJinx wrote:
It shouldn't matter who is in it. Whoever makes it makes it, and you have no right to force entry into a tournament that other people have earned their way into because "we" as a community are more important. Get over yourself and play.


I think clearly we have a difference in philosophy regarding how important the tournament is, vs. the information to be gained there.
If the information is that critical and nobody makes it to the tourney to collect it, I don't think that there wouldn't be a contingency plan to get the information to us.
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Considering that you phrased it in the singular, I hope you're not referring to any one individual, as a number of people seem to have espoused each view here.

In addition, I see no need for that level of hostility. I'd reiterate that no one has done anything yet -- all that's occurred is speculation and discussion.
You can just up and say "I hope you're not talking about me" if that's what you mean. In any case, no. It's a collective "you," much like your consistently collective "we."

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ThaJinx wrote:
If the information is that critical and nobody makes it to the tourney to collect it, I don't think that there wouldn't be a contingency plan to get the information to us.


Perhaps. I hope there would be. However, it's not a sure thing, as in the past players have had to force things on occasion, even in games as large and professionally-done as this one. PMs are, in general, adaptable types, so I assume the likelihood of such a necessity becomes less with each game, but the possibility still remains. However, you're right -- most likely they will get the info to us another way should we not have someone who's willing to communicate playing in the tournament. As the tournament will be at 3 AM Sandman's time, we may just find out. Smile

(Because I don't think that's a sacrifice any of us expect you to make, if you don't want to, Sandman.)

ThaJinx wrote:
You can just up and say "I hope you're not talking about me" if that's what you mean. In any case, no. It's a collective "you," much like your consistently collective "we."


As I was attempting to bring the tone the thread had taken on down a notch, and make it less confrontational, not more so, I felt it best to be indirect.

Again, I'm not sure why there's a need for hostility here.
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The entire idea is just a little frustrating to me, that's all. If I were enjoying the poker aspect and worked legitimately to get onto the leaderboard, it would really suck to get muscled off because a group of people that that getting information was more important than my enjoyment of a particular aspect of the game. Putting ourselves in a position to undermine someone else's enjoyment of the game shouldn't be an option, in my eyes.

I realize that a lot of people are on either side of this, and I don't mean to come off as overly hostile, but I think that there are more important things than playing this only for us. Judging from the number of Unfictioners that didn't know how to play Texas Hold 'Em last weekend vs. those that did, I'm not so sure we're the absolute in target demographs, and I think that's important to consider.

What I do think would be a nifty idea would be to try to get in on games with people that are on the leaderboard and get them interested in the ARG side of this, if that's at all possible. That way, we're only offering them another facet of the same game, as opposed to stripping of them of what they were enjoying.

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