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[Moongazer]

I don't know if this has any significance, but in 1790 Thomas Paine delivered the KEY from the French Bastille to George Washington, and on 10th August 1790 George Washington wrote to Paine thanking him for it.

[Moongazer]

Just some further musings on the l970/1790 (or whatever) conundrum:-
Since this is the only thing changing at present, it would appear that we are being asked to concentrate on solving this, as if it is of great importance.
As its various versions have appeared to indeed be "reflections" of the numbers, I have perused "Reflections" by Edmund Burke written in 1790 (the picture being called noburke) and, although somewhat tenuous, have found the following:-
Near the beginning is a reference to a "Constitutional Society" engaged in circulating books amongst its members - rather as Toby? has requested, and I believe we obtained the word "Constitution" from the coded letters.

[Law of Five]

Well done, Moongazer!

It's changed again and now it shows a KEY at the bottom right corner with the letters 1-backwards7-backwards9-0 in small type.

The image is still called 'noburke.jpg' and the title is still Pbafgvghgvba/Constitution, so it seems you were on the right track with the key to the Bastille being given to Washington. Now if we can just connect the dots to London again...

Back on the hunt,

Law of Five

[Law of Five]

Or maybe 0971 is the key itself... can anyone decode this?

[Coelacanth]

[Rogi Ocnorb]

We've had so much messin with our heads, I totally didn't see the need to puzzle it out.
You're right, Law, It's code.
If you do a Base 10 to Base 36 conversion on "0791", you get "Iz".
Maybe this amounts to Islington's vote on a nickname.
For reference, I'm including some of the other conversions.
0971 = qz
1790=1dq
1970=1iq

[Law of Five]

Good spot Coelocanth! I hadn't spotted that the key which appeared on the Paine pic appears to be the same one as on the Monument. So we're being directed back to the monument in Angel Square. Why is there a key on the monument - what does it signify? Maybe the Lafayette-Washington-key-to-the-Bastille connection? I still don't get the 1970/1790/0971 thing... maybe it's a code in base10 or hexadecimal. Will check and report back...

Law of Five

[Law of Five]

Wow! Super-fast base-36ing! So we can call him Iz from now?

Still not sure why we had to go through the '1970', flipping forwards and back thing, though...

Of course, the thing that's REALLY freaking me out is that the '1970' appeared 2 days (and 5 pages of this thread) BEFORE you called for a vote on Islington's nickname, Rogi. Even if he is a time traveller, and all the flipping back and forth and the BIG HINT of the KEY appearing were just a way of Iz voting for himself, there must be some independent significance of the '1970' itself...

So we're back at Paine's monument in Angel Square, Islington... where next?

Law of Five

[Law of Five]

Just double checking:

0791(base10) = LZ(base36)

IZ(36)=0683(10)

Although maybe with LZ in lower case, lz=Iz?

Is Iz voting, or are we just imagining it?

Law(base x)

[Rogi Ocnorb]

Guess I got a little overzealous. You are correct. I mistook the "l" for an "I".

I thought of something, the day it came out, but it was so unlikely, I didn't post it.
Was thinking that 19:70 could be a time equating to 20:10.
Seems ALL theories are fair game, now, so there it is.

EDIT:
Also, Law, you did a check of street addresses the first day that might be a meeting point. Have you done that kind of analysis on the variants we've seen in the picture? I haven't been keeping pace on that front, but will do it if you don't have ready references.

[Law of Five]

Good thinking... 19:70 = 19 o'clock + 70mins = 20:10

I still think the No Pain, No Gain play on at the Old Red Lion Theatre is a good clue. The 4 play-evening is starting at 7pm on the night of the full moon, and No Pain No Gain is playing second, so it should be starting shortly after 20:00.

That and the monument to Paine in Angel Square. Wherever this is leading us, Islington is the key.

I'll do some more thinking on the addresses...

Law

[Law of Five]

More on Tom Paine and Key to the Bastille:

In the spring of 1790 Paine visited Paris. He found the French people still rejoicing over the fall of the Bastille. Lafayette assured him that its overthrow was due entirely to the transfer of American principles to France, and presented him with the key to the old fortress. On the first of May Paine returned to London and sent the key to General Washington. It now rests in Washington's old home at Mount Vernon.

In the autumn of 1790 Edmund Burke's book in defense of monarchy appeared. Paine replied by writing the first part of his Rights of Man, which he dedicated to Washington. Early in 1791 he returned to Paris, where he founded the first republican club in France and wrote his famous Republican Manifesto. He returned to London in July and wrote the second part of his Rights of Man, which he dedicated to Lafayette. Three months later he was summoned to appear before the Court of the King's Bench, and was denounced in the House of Commons for having "reviled what was most sacred in the Constitution, destroyed every principle of subordination, and established nothing in their room." William Blake advised him to leave England at once. Twenty minutes after his boat left Dover an order appeared for his arrest.

I was wondering how Paine got the key from England to the US in 1790 when he didn't leave until 1791, but I think he must have posted (mailed) it, as there is reference to what he wrote in a covering letter to Washington:

When in 1790 Lafayette entrusted Paine with the key to deliver to Washington, Paine wrote in a covering letter:

The key is the symbol of the first ripe fruits of American principles translated into Europe... That the principles of America opened the Bastille is not to be doubted and therefore the key comes to its right place.

One surprising point: I didn't realise that Paine and William Blake were in direct contact - obviously Blake knew him well enough to tell him to "get the hell out of Dodge".

No luck on finding a link between 1970/1790/0791 and any of the likely Islington locations. Hope you have better luck than I, Rogi. I still think the 20:10 clue is a good one...

Law of Five

[Bootsy]

Yann's 'Ead me' Page

[sollune]

the symbol is a photoshopped cover of the book by Yann Martel called 'Life of Pi'
it's listed in the books thread.

[kitkatgirl]

Its the cover of a book called 'Life of Pi'

Hope this helps you, it was found ages ago, but theres so much to wade through in this forum!